Somali history before Islam thread [SERIOUS DISCUSSION]

[maestro]

Where are my fellow history enthusiasts at?
Get in here asap and let's indulge in this

The same thread is coming about Islamic history of Somalia so don't worry about it. It deserves it's own thread and so does this.

Periods of ancient Somali history I'm talking about.

1. Stone Age (10,000 BC - 3000 BC).

AfroAsiatic people first settled in the Somali peninsula. Laas Geel and various other prehistoric paintings are painted on caves around this time.

2. Bronze Age (3000 BC - 700 BC)

The famous Land of Punt period. This is where the oldest ruins of cities, walls, pottery, stelae etc that were excavated in Somalia come from.

3. Iron Age (700 BC - 800 AD)

Land of Punt turns into land of Berbers. City states in Northern Somalia begin to be significant and rich enough to be written about by Greek merchants in Alexandria.

Thread is gonna be updated regularly. Let's me cook

 

[AceofSom]

3. Iron Age (700 BC - 800 AD)

Land of Punt turns into land of Berbers. City states in Northern Somalia begin to be significant and rich enough to be written about by Greek merchants in Alexandria.

I am pretty sure this era was characterised by city states,

it would have look like something like this, going by the greek map periplus of the erythraean

 

[Inactive]

Message to anyone and everyone: No derailing please.

Continue with discussion

 

[maestro]

I am pretty sure this era was characterised by city states,

it would have look like something like this, going by the greek map periplus of the erythraean

yes, Opone Mosylon Avalites etc. the Greek who wrote it was praising the cities talking about how big their markets were. He even said that Somalis (or whoever they were) were controlling the Indian Ocean-Mediterranean spice trade. He mentioned the Somali cape as the cape of cinnamon.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

Opone should be where Tave is, since it corresponds with modern day Haafuun.

 

[maestro]

Opone should be where Tave is, since it corresponds with modern day Haafuun.

How do you know that? No remains of Opone were found so we don't know it's exact location. Maybe it was near Mogadishu

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

We were nomads until 70 years ago.

Thats pretty much it.

Ethnic Somalis did not build mogadishu, berbera or any of the northern cities. It was built by Persians and Arabs.

Nor did Ethnic Somalis have any sort of role in this "Land of Punt" kingdom. We were probably in Ethiopian highlands at that time.

 

[MARAQ DIGAAG]

We were nomads until 70 years ago.

Thats pretty much it.

Ethnic Somalis did not build mogadishu, berbera or any of the northern cities. It was built by Persians and Arabs.

Nor did Ethnic Somalis have any sort of role in this "Land of Punt" kingdom. We were probably in Ethiopian highlands at that time.

You should be barred from marrying a Somali women and castrated for your own good .

 

[maestro]

We were nomads until 70 years ago.

Thats pretty much it.

Ethnic Somalis did not build mogadishu, berbera or any of the northern cities. It was built by Persians and Arabs.

Nor did Ethnic Somalis have any sort of role in this "Land of Punt" kingdom. We were probably in Ethiopian highlands at that time.

1. Nomads need a place to get clothes, utensils, weapons and spices. All Nomads need cities more than anything. You can't even be a nomad if you don't have a place to sell you goat or camel so no such thing as Nomads not being partially or even full city dwellers at the same time as being Nomadic.

2. Persians and Arabs did not build Mogadishu or Berbera or any other city in Somalia. It was 100% the natives. Where did you get this idea from? You must be confusing us with Swahilis.

3. Somali language didn't exist during the time of Punt so you are right. They weren't Somali but they were our ancestors and this is heritage. Their history, our history

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

1. Nomads need a place to get clothes, utensils, weapons and spices. All Nomads need cities more than anything. You can't even be a nomad if you don't have a place to sell you goat or camel so no such thing as Nomads not being partially or even full city dwellers at the same time as being Nomadic.

2. Persians and Arabs did not build Mogadishu or Berbera or any other city in Somalia. It was 100% the natives. Where did you get this idea from? You must be confusing us with Swahilis.

3. Somali language didn't exist during the time of Punt so you are right. They weren't Somali but they were our ancestors and this is heritage. Their history, our history

1. The vast majority of 'Somalis' were nomads, a minority of Somalis were farmers, and a minority of Somalis were reer magal (i.e city dwellers). The geeljire always looked down upon the other two and most of our culture is based on our nomadic roots.

2. It's a historical fact that the city Mogadishu, Berbera and many other of our cities were founded by Arabs who settled in the region known today as "Somalia". Somalis did not even live in Mogadishu, and it was described as a city mostly inhabited by foreigners. The Somalis did not live in the interior, and only until the Ajuraan conquest of the South did Somalis ever live in Mogadishu, Berbera or other cities.

3. The location of the "Land of Punt" is not fully known, but just because the kingdom may have incorporated parts of the northern coastal cities (Djibouti and Somali land), does not mean that they are ethnic Somalis. Most sources indicate that it was most likely further north in regions such as Eritrea, Ethiopia or Sudan.

 

[MARAQ DIGAAG]

Berbera ?(malao)is an ancient Cushitic city founded and settled by the ancestors of Somalis.just stop before you embarrass yourself any further .

 

[Bahal]

Wish I could copy my posts on this thread @AbdiJohnson temporarily unlock it for me fam

http://www.somalispot.com/threads/somalis-should-be-historically-accurate.15930/page-7#post-358748

 

[maestro]

1. The vast majority of 'Somalis' were nomads, a minority of Somalis were farmers, and a minority of Somalis were reer magal (i.e city dwellers). The geeljire always looked down upon the other two and most of our culture is based on our nomadic roots.

2. It's a historical fact that the city Mogadishu, Berbera and many other of our cities were founded by Arabs who settled in the region known today as "Somalia". Somalis did not even live in Mogadishu, and it was described as a city mostly inhabited by foreigners. The Somalis did not live in the interior, and only until the Ajuraan conquest of the South did Somalis ever live in Mogadishu, Berbera or other cities.

3. The location of the "Land of Punt" is not fully known, but just because the kingdom may have incorporated parts of the northern coastal cities (Djibouti and Somali land), does not mean that they are ethnic Somalis. Most sources indicate that it was most likely further north in regions such as Eritrea, Ethiopia or Sudan.

1. Doesn't matter if we massacred every non Nomadic person for pleasure we still needed cities and ports so we built them to get things in exchange for animal related things. Nomadism and city dwelling is closely tied. Nomads invented trade and city dwellers invented the entire idea of Nomadism. They need each other.

2. What historical facts are these you keep talking about? Bring proof. Somali architecture is unique to Somali with little influence of outsiders. Btw this thread is strictly ancient history and it isn't about the Ajuran or foreigners in Mogadishu. That's the Middle Ages history and there are many reasons as to why there were many non Somalis in Mogadishu.
The main reason being the Indian Ocean trade and asylum seekers. There's absolutely no logical way to explain how these foreigners founded and built the city because the didn't do it!
Mogadishu is a Somali word ffs if it was Arab or Persian it would have their name.

3. Land of Punt is disputed but most people agree that Somalia makes a damn great case. The only reason this debate even exists is because not much work was put into the archaeological study of somalia. Once real archaeological expeditions are carried out in Somalia this debate will be put to an end once and for all. Look at the countless ruins all over the North and sattelite images of pathways coming out from a central point. I mean Mycanaen pottery was found in the North. That was a kingdom from 1000 BC come on.

Punt was In Somalia no doubt

 

[Bahal]

Lets start with the Periplus from the 1st Century C.E.:

Now lets move to the lucrative cinnamon trade:

contd.

 

[Bahal]

Lets move on to the Chinese description of the Chung-Li/Po Pa Li/Pi Pa Lo

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Maybe yall should read more before spouting absolute bullshit

 

[Bahal]

"Our results reveal a high likelihood match with eastern Somalia and the Eritrea-Ethiopia corridor, suggesting that this region was the source of Papio hamadryas exported to Ancient Egypt."

http://meeting.physanth.org/program...ons-clarify-ancient-red-sea-trade-routes.html


Benadir coast origins:

Again, you obviously don't know much about Somali history. While there was undoubtedly enormous Arab Islamic influence in the Benadir coast, Somalis were literally there from the beginning as the oldest group. Considering most Somalis lived on the Red Sea/Indian Ocean coast, and the interior and not passing the Jubba river until 1850, it is impressive that a confederation of Arabs and Somalis founded one of the preeminent city states of the world. This doesn't even take into account the eventual domination of the Benadir coast by the Ajuran, Geledi, and later the Abgaal.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

I've read some articles that claim the Ancient Egyptians viewed Punt as "God's land" cause they believed it was the source of their race. Plus, the depictions of the Ancient Puntites and ancient Egyptians are identical.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

1. Doesn't matter if we massacred every non Nomadic person for pleasure we still needed cities and ports so we built them to get things in exchange for animal related things. Nomadism and city dwelling is closely tied. Nomads invented trade and city dwellers invented the entire idea of Nomadism. They need each other.

2. What historical facts are these you keep talking about? Bring proof. Somali architecture is unique to Somali with little influence of outsiders. Btw this thread is strictly ancient history and it isn't about the Ajuran or foreigners in Mogadishu. That's the Middle Ages history and there are many reasons as to why there were many non Somalis in Mogadishu.
The main reason being the Indian Ocean trade and asylum seekers. There's absolutely no logical way to explain how these foreigners founded and built the city because the didn't do it!
Mogadishu is a Somali word ffs if it was Arab or Persian it would have their name.

3. Land of Punt is disputed but most people agree that Somalia makes a damn great case. The only reason this debate even exists is because not much work was put into the archaeological study of somalia. Once real archaeological expeditions are carried out in Somalia this debate will be put to an end once and for all. Look at the countless ruins all over the North and sattelite images of pathways coming out from a central point. I mean Mycanaen pottery was found in the North. That was a kingdom from 1000 BC come on.

Punt was In Somalia no doubt

Where are my fellow history enthusiasts at?
Get in here asap and let's indulge in this

The same thread is coming about Islamic history of Somalia so don't worry about it. It deserves it's own thread and so does this.

Periods of ancient Somali history I'm talking about.

1. Stone Age (10,000 BC - 3000 BC).

AfroAsiatic people first settled in the Somali peninsula. Laas Geel and various other prehistoric paintings are painted on caves around this time.

2. Bronze Age (3000 BC - 700 BC)

The famous Land of Punt period. This is where the oldest ruins of cities, walls, pottery, stelae etc that were excavated in Somalia come from.

3. Iron Age (700 BC - 800 AD)

Land of Punt turns into land of Berbers. City states in Northern Somalia begin to be significant and rich enough to be written about by Greek merchants in Alexandria.

Thread is gonna be updated regularly. Let's me cook

It would be interesting to know where the proto afro-asiatic people came from and how they looked.

 

[maestro]

It would be interesting to know where the proto afro-asiatic people came from and how they looked.

Afro Asiatic people are from the Levant or the Nile valley. No one knows for sure. They looked like Horn Africa people

 

[Adheer Warsame]

We were nomads until 70 years ago.

Thats pretty much it.

Ethnic Somalis did not build mogadishu, berbera or any of the northern cities. It was built by Persians and Arabs.

Nor did Ethnic Somalis have any sort of role in this "Land of Punt" kingdom. We were probably in Ethiopian highlands at that time.

Your love for the Arabs has gone to far, stop claiming Somali and marry an Arab woman please