Somalis and slavery

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Somalis believe that an internal slave trade never happen in Somali history. We could never would never enslave our own and we would never export said slaves to foreigner, but that exact what happen from two relevant source about our ancient homeland. one is the "Periplus of the Erythraean Sea" write by a Greek sailor sometime in 1 century AD.

"After Avalites there is another market town, better than this called Malao, distant a sail of eight hundred stadia. The anchorage is an open road-stead, sheltered by a spit running out of the east. Here the natives are more peaceful. there are imported into this place the thing already mentioned, and many tunics, cloaks from Arsinoe, dressed and dyed; drinking cups, sheets of soft copper in small quantity,iron and gold and silver coins, not much. There are export from these place myrrh, a little frankincense, the hard cinnamon, duaca, Indian cloak and macir, which are imported into Arabia; and slaves, but rarely,"

"And then, after sailing four hundred stadia along a promontory, toward which place the current draws you, there is another market town called Opone, into which the same things are imported as those already mentioned, and in it the greatest quantity of cinnamon is produced( the arebo and moto), and slaves of the better sort, which are brought to Egypt in increasing numbers; a great quantity of tortoise-shell, better than that found elsewhere."

source: http://zethio.files.worldpress.com/2014/04/the-periplus-of-the-Erythraean-sea.pdf

The second is from a more interesting source Chau Ju-kua: on the Chinese and Arab trade; on the twelfth and thirteenth Centuries.

Berbera Coast

This an annotation from an early work by Chinese Yu-Yang-tsa-tsu

"Pi-P'a-lo is Berbera, the Somali coast generally. the earliest mention of the country in the Chinese works is probably in the YuYang-tsa-tsu which was written in the middle of the 9th century(850s). It runs as follows;The land of Pa-pa-li is in the south-west ocean. they do not eat cereal, but they eat meat; more frequently even they prick the vein of one of their oxen, mix the blood with milk and eat it uncooked. they have no clothes, but they wrap round their waist a sheep's skin which hang low and cover them. They women are clear skinned and well-behaved. The people of this country make their own country men prisoners which they sell to strangers at prices many times more than they would fetch(at home) the products of their country are elephant's tusk and a-mo perfume( Cantonese o-mut, Arabic anbar, i.e., ambergris)."

Library.uoregon.edu/ec/e-asia/reada/chau-ju-kua.pdf

from 100 AD to 1000 AD the Somalis engage in an internal slave trade. it was probably the birth of Islam that many have curb the pre-Somali
slave trade it may have also liberate the oppressed pre-Somalis peasants by freeing them from their exploitation by an elite who used superstition to terror the plebs. so Somalis history isn't what we were lead to believe and thus we may have to reevaluate our concept about the past to build a better future.

Chung-Li: Somalia coast
" The inhabitant of the Chung-li go bareheaded and barefooted, they wrap themelves in cotton stuffs, but they dare not wear jackets, for the wearing of jackets and turbans is a privilege reserved to the ministers and the king's courtiers. The king lives in a brick house covered with glazed tiles, but the people live in huts made of palm leaves and covered with grass-thatched roofs. Their daily food consists of baked flour cakes, sheep's and camel's milk. The are great number of cattle,sheep and camels. among the countries of the Ta-shi this is the only one which produces frankincense. The are many sorcerers among then who are able to change themselves into birds, beast or aquatic animals, and by these means keep the ignorant people in a state of terror. If some of them in trading with some foreign ship have a quarrel, the sorcerers pronounce a charm over the ship, so that it can neither go forward nor backward, and they only release the ship when it has settle the dispute. The government has formally forbidden this practice."

The description align well with Somalis folklore of the yabir king Bucur Bacayr.
 

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It's very likely that somalis participated in some slavery, but very insignificantly. Almost every ethnicity has.

When somalis say that we were never slaves it has more to do with the more recent Arab slave trade and how somalis faught against the 'dhegacas' human traffickers.

My grandmother told me of how Arabs use even try to steal little boys...... Uff
 
Somalis believe that an internal slave trade never happen in Somali history. We could never would never enslave our own and we would never export said slaves to foreigner, but that exact what happen from two relevant source about our ancient homeland. one is the "Periplus of the Erythraean Sea" write by a Greek sailor sometime in 1 century AD.

"After Avalites there is another market town, better than this called Malao, distant a sail of eight hundred stadia. The anchorage is an open road-stead, sheltered by a spit running out of the east. Here the natives are more peaceful. there are imported into this place the thing already mentioned, and many tunics, cloaks from Arsinoe, dressed and dyed; drinking cups, sheets of soft copper in small quantity,iron and gold and silver coins, not much. There are export from these place myrrh, a little frankincense, the hard cinnamon, duaca, Indian cloak and macir, which are imported into Arabia; and slaves, but rarely,"

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"And then, after sailing four hundred stadia along a promontory, toward which place the current draws you, there is another market town called Opone, into which the same things are imported as those already mentioned, and in it the greatest quantity of cinnamon is produced( the arebo and moto), and slaves of the better sort, which are brought to Egypt in increasing numbers; a great quantity of tortoise-shell, better than that found elsewhere."

source: http://zethio.files.worldpress.com/2014/04/the-periplus-of-the-Erythraean-sea.pdf


These were nilotic slaves that puntites, ancient barbarois even traded to Ancient egyptians, we did not enslave our own and ship them elsewhere.

This only proves that we engaged in some sort of slave trade not that we enslaved our own:draketf:



The second is from a more interesting source Chau Ju-kua: on the Chinese and Arab trade; on the twelfth and thirteenth Centuries.

Berbera Coast

This an annotation from an early work by Chinese Yu-Yang-tsa-tsu

"Pi-P'a-lo is Berbera, the Somali coast generally. the earliest mention of the country in the Chinese works is probably in the YuYang-tsa-tsu which was written in the middle of the 9th century(850s). It runs as follows;The land of Pa-pa-li is in the south-west ocean. they do not eat cereal, but they eat meat; more frequently even they prick the vein of one of their oxen, mix the blood with milk and eat it uncooked. they have no clothes, but they wrap round their waist a sheep's skin which hang low and cover them. They women are clear skinned and well-behaved. The people of this country make their own country men prisoners which they sell to strangers at prices many times more than they would fetch(at home) the products of their country are elephant's tusk and a-mo perfume( Cantonese o-mut, Arabic anbar, i.e., ambergris)."

Library.uoregon.edu/ec/e-asia/reada/chau-ju-kua.pdf


Ok now you are selective taking things out of context the chinese in the very sentence wrote that we ourselves were not among the slaves and we were selling Bantu(Zanj) slaves from the south.

Here is the real facts



The ancient Chinese in general, including Duan Chengshi, also racially distinguished the Berber inhabitants of Berbera/Po-pa-li (the northernsomali coast) from those of Ma-lin (Malindi) in the Zanj coast to the south:

“For the period from the fourth century until the ninth century no contemporary eye-witness account of any part of the East African coast has come down to us; nor has archaeology as yet yielded any evidence for this period from the islands or the coastal plain. Yet we know form the Kwale-ware sites that this must have been the period when Iron Age peoples, almost certainly Bantu in speech, were spreading through the near hinterland of north-eastern Tanzania and eastern Kenya. We also know from events reported outside East Africa that during this period black people called Zanj or Zenj, thought of as living in eastern Africa to the south of the Ethiopians and the somali were being exported asslaves to all the countries bordering the Indian Ocean. The Umayyad and Abbasid caliphs recruited large numbers of Zenj slaves as soldiers, and, as early as 696, we hear of revolts by Zenj slave soldiers in Iraq. From the opposite end of the Indian Ocean world, there is a reference in a Chinese history of the seventh century to the fact that in 614 ambassadors from Java had presented the Emperor of China with two Seng Chi slaves.


And Duan Chengshi actually made it clear that somalis didnt enslave and ship their own but they enslaved a seperate bantu ethnic group down south wich they sold off to the indian ocean and Arabia. That we indeed were not among them.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=C5qYNSRjqacC&pg=PA192#v=onepage&q&f=false


from 100 AD to 1000 AD the Somalis engage in an internal slave trade. it was probably the birth of Islam that many have curb the pre-Somali
slave trade it may have also liberate the oppressed pre-Somalis peasants by freeing them from their exploitation by an elite who used superstition to terror the plebs. so Somalis history isn't what we were lead to believe and thus we may have to reevaluate our concept about the past to build a better future.

Correction somalis engaged in slave trade but not internal slave trade, but a slave trade were they have been shipping Bantu, Habashi,Oromo, and Nilotic slaves for hundreds of years. From Ancient punt,to ajuuran and adal sultunate and post modern somali sultunates.

Saaxiib you need to reevaluate yourself , you bend the truth & take text out of their respectable historical context and rely on psuedo historic revionism. There is no mention of us enslaving our own and selling them.


Chung-Li: Somalia coast
" The inhabitant of the Chung-li go bareheaded and barefooted, they wrap themelves in cotton stuffs, but they dare not wear jackets, for the wearing of jackets and turbans is a privilege reserved to the ministers and the king's courtiers. The king lives in a brick house covered with glazed tiles, but the people live in huts made of palm leaves and covered with grass-thatched roofs. Their daily food consists of baked flour cakes, sheep's and camel's milk. The are great number of cattle,sheep and camels. among the countries of the Ta-shi this is the only one which produces frankincense. The are many sorcerers among then who are able to change themselves into birds, beast or aquatic animals, and by these means keep the ignorant people in a state of terror. If some of them in trading with some foreign ship have a quarrel, the sorcerers pronounce a charm over the ship, so that it can neither go forward nor backward, and they only release the ship when it has settle the dispute. The government has formally forbidden this practice."

The description align well with Somalis folklore of the yabir king Bucur Bacayr.

WTF!! :mindblown: and what does these weird mythological remarks prove anyways?

this could be an asssesment of Somali Sufism beliefs for all we know. Nothing to do with us enslaving our own or internal slavery of any sort.

@IntensiveCareUnit @nucleus Look at this bafoonery!!
 
It's very likely that somalis participated in some slavery, but very insignificantly. Almost every ethnicity has.

When somalis say that we were never slaves it has more to do with the more recent Arab slave trade and how somalis faught against the 'dhegacas' human traffickers.

My grandmother told me of how Arabs use even try to steal little boys...... Uff

Dont you understand what this idiot is saying? He saying we enslaved and shipped ourselves for money since ancient time. This not true at all!!

He tries to do so By Twisting the truth and taking historical text out of context , plus none of the text he displayed said we enslaved ourselves they only talked about us participating in slave trading since ancient time.

Even tho history does not support his crap

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Chinese Slave traders bought slaves (Zanj) bantu slaves from intermediaries and ''Stocked up'' directly in coastal areas of present-day Somalia, the local Somalis - referrred to as baribahs and barbarois(Berbers) by medieval Arab and ancient Greek geographers respectively (see Periplus of the Erythreaean Sea) and were no strangers to capturing, owning and trading slaves , Themselves were not among them.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=mm...IrJS6ot2oyAIVxalyCh0axQC6#v=onepage&q&f=false
 
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Shamis

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The bit about Berbere is not accurate because the Masai are the people who prick the vein of a cow and mix the blood with milk and they're found closer to the slave port of Zenj were they still trade today. You have to remember that geographical accuracy was rarely adhered to in writings that far back because maps were created by sailors and not by satellites and governments. We traded perfumes, exotic animals, tusks, frankincense, myrrh, spices, oils, grains and other goods and we rarely exported slaves.

Ibn Battuta is a better source because he is an Arab and would know the difference between Zanzibar and Somalia because of the Arab link to the Zanzibari slave trade. One last note - the Chinese failed to settle in East Africa in the same way Arabs and Persians did but they did attempt to settle in Bajuuni Islands in Kenya near Kismaayo (namely Pate Island) which still hold the remains of ancient Chinese pottery fused with Baajuuni architecture. Their contact was fleeting so I would not trust the Chinese as an accurate source when it comes to East African history, unless its about Pate Island or the Lamu archipelago.

http://somaliarchive.com/ibn-battuta-1331/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_people_in_Kenya
 
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