A secular Somalia is a pipe dream.

[Jubba_Man]

This just needs to be said. There's a significant number of atheist and secularists who promote Somali nationalism and are under the extreme delusion that a Somalia based on a western-style democracy will one day emerge. What a laughable fantasy, as anyone who actually knows the political realities on the ground and the beliefs of both the people in the region and the diaspora would attest to. You go to any gathering among the elders and were to ask them if they would support a united central and democratic Somalia, and you would be laughed out of the gathering. People only identify with their qabil and practically see their qabil as their ethnic group. Most will fight to the death against such an idea and would never entertain the thought of merging with the other tribes in a nation ever again. This is why federalism is so successful and beloved by the people. The people want secession and to form their own independent countries, national identities, and distinct cultures. Djibouti is the best example of this. The vast majority of the youth there no longer speak the Somali language nor do they identify at all as "Somali". I find it remarkable how quickly this has happened in just under a generation.

However, despite all of that, there is one and only one thing that can unify all of the diverse and unrelated peoples living in the Somali peninsula and that is Islam, the very same thing these people despise. The different tribes would never die for something as useless, as worthless, as pathetic, and as laughable as "Somalinimo". However, they would absolutely die for Islamnimo. They would gladly go to war in the millions to liberate the other regions under the other governments for Islamnimo. They would even go to war against their own kin who declare war against the Islamic government and the Emir of the state. So, in conclusion, the only way you'll ever realistically get a central government that wields absolute authority over the entire Somali peninsula and is beloved by the people is an Islamic style government that isn't anything like ISIS of course but like the other historical and classical Islamic emirates and qabil kingdoms that proliferated across the entire Somali region a little over a century ago.

 

[TheSayid]

since you mentioned islam do you know what happens to those who fight and die for their qabil, or even call on qabil supremacy

 

[Inactive]

Western aid has conditions. Don't forget that development aid boy.

 

[SOMACOON]

@Darod_Supremacy You bring shame to the SADE name. You're clearly not Mareehan.
We govern Somalis, from Hargeisa to Kismaayo. We don't govern one qabil, it aint in our nature.

 

[Mr.Stone]

This Supremacy guy is a absolute joke weren't you saying yesterday that if reer somaliland were to get slaughtered you would not bat a eye lid, but you will booty clap for arabs instead of people who share the same country as you and are of the same ethnicity as you, and your trying to preach Islam while contradicting it at the same time, but we supposed to take in your view of what Somalia will become or what the people in it will fight for?? and you mentioned the elders as in they are old not much time for them left, especially at the rate the country is going fighting famine waali after waali, and last but not least the inevitability of the whole country going under balkanization where Kenya and Ethiopia split up and share that whole place, one thing i promise you 0.5er if the country going under which it is the majority will swallow you and the rest of the 0.5ers and your islamnimo up in a heart beat.

And you worrying about secularism

 

[Inactive]

Marehans are Somaliweynists. What happened? He's a shegaato

 

[SOMACOON]

Marehans are Somaliweynists. What happened? He's a shegaato

This is the first Mareehan that I've come across that wants Jubaland and ONLY jubaland lol
We fought for unity, went to war for Somaliweyn, were taught since birth that unity is power, hes clearly a sheegato.

 

[Duchess]

However, despite all of that, there is one and only one thing that can unify all of the diverse and unrelated peoples living in the Somali peninsula and that is Islam, the very same thing these people despise.

You're assuming that all Somalis in Somalia practice the same brand of Islam. If that were the case, why wasn't the ICU able to appeal to all Somalis? Why was Al-Shabaab attacking ASWJ? Why does Al-Shabaab now want to terminate their 'fellow Muslims' who have pledged allegiance to ISIS? Somalis have had 25+ years to unite under the banner of Islam. It hasn't happened and I sure as hell don't see it happening in the future.

 

[Mr.Stone]

You're assuming that all Somalis in Somalia practice the same brand of Islam. If that were the case, why wasn't the ICU able to appeal to all Somalis? Why was Al-Shabaab attacking ASWJ? Why does Al-Shabaab now want to terminate their 'fellow Muslims' who have pledged allegiance to ISIS? Somalis have had 25+ years to unite under the banner of Islam. It hasn't happened and I sure as hell don't see it happening in the future.

I reiterate this Supremacy guy is full of unicorn and pixie dust what a joker.

 

[SOMACOON]

@Darod_Supremacy
PUNTLANDS FLAG:

JUBALANDS FLAG:

You notice anything there? The Ogaden clan and the MJ's have created that flag on your screen.
The Ogadeen have adopted the same FLAG that Puntland waves in Garoowe, aside from one difference. ?
Why was this flag constructed to look like the Puntland flag? Why? You;re waving a flag created in Garoowe, yet you hate MJS lol
You might as well start showing some respect sxb, this flag was created so no one remembers Jubaland.
Anyone who sees this flag, might assume its the flag of Puntland.
After a few seconds, then they would notice the difference. And thats why it weas created.

S/O TO KHAATUMO:

 

[Jubba_Man]

Western aid has conditions. Don't forget that development aid boy.

Trust me, I ain't for a greater Somalia. All I'm doing is dousing your fantasy of a greater, secular Somalia with a bucket of reality. The only thing that could ever realistically unite all of the people living in the Somali peninsula is Islam.

You also best believe your western masters would never want for Somalia to be stable. They benefit tremendously from the status quo that is in Somalia and they will be the first to spend millions covertly meddling and destroying any light that signals the return of a stable Somali state. I find it strange you aren't trumpeting this vision of your masters.

 

[Jubba_Man]

@Darod_Supremacy You bring shame to the SADE name. You're clearly not Mareehan.
We govern Somalis, from Hargeisa to Kismaayo. We don't govern one qabil, it aint in our nature.

And what do we govern now exactly?

This is a new era, not 1974. a has been torn apart forever. Unlike you, I am thinking man and look out for the best interest of beesha. That interest is developing our own historical lands, economy, and building trade relations and alliances. Your primitive and imperialist worldview about the Somali peninsula is what is holding the tol back. Hargeisa, Bosaso, Mogadishu, etc. are all foreign cities to me that are owned by different people that I have absolutely nothing to do with nor do I have any interest in ruling over them or sharing a country with them. At most, we should only have trading relations at best. This is the formula for change and progress. What you're suggesting is nothing short of insanity that will lead to the same results of an inevitable civil war and another 25 years of anarchy.

 

[ThePrince]

Islam is a wellspring of bad ideas and has no place in government. Let's follow the example of successful Muslim-majority countries such as Turkey and Tunisia and adopt the secular system.

 

[TheSayid]

And what do we govern now exactly?

This is a new era, not 1974. a has been torn apart forever. Unlike you, I am thinking man and look out for the best interest of beesha. That interest is developing our own historical lands, economy, and building trade relations and alliances. Your primitive and imperialist worldview about the Somali peninsula is what is holding the tol back. Hargeisa, Bosaso, Mogadishu, etc. are all foreign cities to me that are owned by different people that I have absolutely nothing to do with nor do I have any interest in ruling over them or sharing a country with them. At most, we should only have trading relations at best. This is the formula for change and progress. What you're suggesting is nothing short of insanity that will lead to the same results of an inevitable civil war and another 25 years of anarchy.

but you want to share a country with caghdeers even using their ugly flag

 

[SOMACOON]

but you want to share a country with caghdeers even using their ugly flag

Thats not our flag, a Mareehan would never wave something another man constructed.

 

[SOMACOON]

And what do we govern now exactly?

This is a new era, not 1974. a has been torn apart forever. Unlike you, I am thinking man and look out for the best interest of beesha. That interest is developing our own historical lands, economy, and building trade relations and alliances. Your primitive and imperialist worldview about the Somali peninsula is what is holding the tol back. Hargeisa, Bosaso, Mogadishu, etc. are all foreign cities to me that are owned by different people that I have absolutely nothing to do with nor do I have any interest in ruling over them or sharing a country with them. At most, we should only have trading relations at best. This is the formula for change and progress. What you're suggesting is nothing short of insanity that will lead to the same results of an inevitable civil war and another 25 years of anarchy.

Again, you're a sheegato. You're not Sade Darood, in fact....you're probably not even Darood. You're a 0.5 qabqable, f*ck you mean

 

[Inactive]

They prefer it to be stable and united so they can open military bases and take do business (I.e. oil exploration, etc). They don't want to be dealing with different administrations. Its a headache for them. Even releasing aid is a difficult task with the dozen regional Presidents. The Turks and Iranis and Chinese and others have created close ties with Somalia - you don't think the West doesn't prefer it be them instead?

Only Ethiopia and Kenya want an unstable Somalia.

There have been US State Department cable leaks that showed the U.S was against the Kenyan plan to invade the Jubbas because it would cause greater instability.

 

[TheSayid]

Again, you're a sheegato. You're not Sade Darood, in fact....you're probably not even Darood. You're a 0.5 qabqable, f*ck you mean

i have told them this before.


hes very defensive when it comes to bantus and cadcads lol

 

[SOMACOON]

They prefer it to be stable and united so they can open military bases and take do business (I.e. oil exploration, etc). They don't want to be dealing with different administrations. Its a headache for them. Even releasing aid is a difficult task with the dozen regional Presidents. The Turks and Iranis and Chinese and others have created close ties with Somalia - you don't think the West doesn't prefer it be them instead?

Only Ethiopia and Kenya want an unstable Somalia.

There have been US State Department cable leaks that showed the U.S was against the Kenyan plan to invade the Jubbas because it would cause greater instability.

Kenyan and Ethiopian AU peacekeepers must be sent home. Theres 53 countries in Africa. 52 part of the AU, find me two different nations

 

[Jubba_Man]

This is the first Mareehan that I've come across that wants Jubaland and ONLY jubaland lol
We fought for unity, went to war for Somaliweyn, were taught since birth that unity is power, hes clearly a sheegato.

You don't know how embarrassing it is for me to see you believing in these childish bedtime stories. Yes, like you, I was indoctrinated with all of that Somaliweyn BS, but I eventually became a grown up and saw it for what it was sort of like how gaalo kids grow up and stop believing in Santa Claus. Somaliweyn is the Santa claus for Somali kids. Most Somalis ridicule and laugh at it other than a few delusional atheists and, unfortunately, a handful of my own kinsmen who refuse to stop living in the past and want to continue to cling on to these myths.