Anyone look at Jews today and wish somalis would learn from them?

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@Omar del Sur @Inquisitive_ are you of the belief jews have no good qualities in there culture?

Is it fair to say you guys have a deep hatred for Jews, thats how it seems to mostly everyone on here would you agree with that image? I say this because I dont want to build a premise for you to deny it.

 

[KillStreakIsCool]

f*ck Israel, they supported Ethiopia against us in 1977.

But yes we should learn from them, won't happen though. Somalis care more about religion than their country.

You're expecting advancements from people who believe this world is worthless and to just strive for "heaven"

You misunderstand the reasoning of Islam pointing out the status of the world as ephemeral. The idea is for Muslims to not sacrifice their principles and faith for a world that will vanish and is to ensure Muslims to avoid becoming slaves to the pursuit of material gain only in life. There is harm in that approach to life where people care only about material gain. But as far as how Muslims should live their life goes, it is said in Islam to live as if you will never die and prepare for Aakhiro as if you are about to die soon. Islam is all about balancing the conflicting nature of mankind. Do one thing too much to the sacrifice of the other and you lose basically.

 

[Land Of The Brave]

So you're saying Somalis are not religious? Because i've always heard the opposite

They are religious on the outside appears. Anyways, you are black american, why do you care about Somalis. Why are you people so obsessed with us. You have so many problems in your communities go fix those.

 

[Omar del Sur]

@Omar del Sur @Inquisitive_ are you of the belief jews have no good qualities in there culture?

Is it fair to say you guys have a deep hatred for Jews, thats how it seems to mostly everyone on here would you agree with that image? I say this because I dont want to build a premise for you to deny it.

How it seems to most of the people on here?

If the majority said God doesn't exist, would God stop existing?

The Quran even specifically warns us against following the majority

And if you obey most of those upon the earth, they will mislead you from the way of Allah . They follow not except assumption, and they are not but falsifying.

-Surah Al-An'am 6:116

Even in the world of secular philosophy, this is known as the bandwagon fallacy.

I'm not in a popularity contest. I appreciate others' support but I'm not looking for votes. Popularity is not the criteria of whether I'm right or wrong.

Now do I hate the Jews? Well, I hate the kuffar. That's not to say that I wish harm on them or anything like that. I think we have to be just to everyone. An ethnic Jew who becomes a Muslim is my brother. I'm a big fan of Maryam Jameelah, who was a Jewish woman who became Muslim and supported Muslims.

But the thing is we should not become best buddies with the kuffar. And this idea that we should look up to the Jews is ridiculous.

The Jews got where they are through stealing land from Muslims and genociding Muslims. If other people want to sell out their religion and turn traitor, that's their decision but I'm not looking to do it.

The Jews subvert societies and promote graphy, feminism, etc. How many times must I post this?

birds of a feather flock together. if those are your best buddies, you must be birds of a feather with them.

Narrated Aishah (ra):
I heard the Prophet (ﷺ), "Souls are like recruited troops: Those who are like qualities are inclined to each other, but those who have dissimilar qualities, differ."

-Saheeh Al-Bukhari

anyone who is into being best buddies with the Jews and wants to push on us that we need to hold hands and sing Kumbaya with them- they must be birds of a feather with them and presumably are defective in their moral character.

 

[KillStreakIsCool]

The better off "Muslim" countries are secular or less Islamic, ironic isn't it

Or they don't have destructive culture like tribalism as is the case in Somalia. The opportunities for progress in a country depend on marshaling its natural resources and investing it for the people. A corrupt system will not succeed to achieve that as those in leadership will steal the wealth for themselves. Egypt had been ruled by secular governments for a long time and it remains one of the poorest and badly run governments. Saudis use Islam to stay in power and ward off opposition to their little homo kingdom but managed to build their country and invest in infrastructure. They still lack investment in education and need wealth distribution system that helps their citizens. They are better than Algeria and other corruptly run countries with Oil wealth. So, Islam did not hinder them but helped them stay in power. Secularism does not guarantee progress of society. It is rather a tool to oppress others by the nonreligious.

 

[Saeedlfc]

Or they don't have destructive culture like tribalism as is the case in Somalia. The opportunities for progress in a country depend on marshaling its natural resources and investing it for the people. A corrupt system will not succeed to achieve that as those in leadership will steal the wealth for themselves. Egypt had been ruled by secular governments for a long time and it remains one of the poorest and badly run governments. Saudis use Islam to stay in power and ward off opposition to their little homo kingdom but managed to build their country and invest in infrastructure. They still lack investment in education and need wealth distribution system that helps their citizens. They are better than Algeria and other corruptly run countries with Oil wealth. So, Islam did not hinder them but helped them stay in power. Secularism does not guarantee progress of society. It is rather a tool to oppress others by the nonreligious.

So the problem is our culture which is backwards and primitive?

Honestly I think we're doomed, I don't see how Somalis will ever change their ways, one of the most stubborn people ever.

 

[KillStreakIsCool]

How it seems to most of the people on here?

If the majority said God doesn't exist, would God stop existing?

The Quran even specifically warns us against following the majority

And if you obey most of those upon the earth, they will mislead you from the way of Allah . They follow not except assumption, and they are not but falsifying.

-Surah Al-An'am 6:116

Even in the world of secular philosophy, this is known as the bandwagon fallacy.

I'm not in a popularity contest. I appreciate others' support but I'm not looking for votes. Popularity is not the criteria of whether I'm right or wrong.

Now do I hate the Jews? Well, I hate the kuffar. That's not to say that I wish harm on them or anything like that. I think we have to be just to everyone. An ethnic Jew who becomes a Muslim is my brother. I'm a big fan of Maryam Jameelah, who was a Jewish woman who became Muslim and supported Muslims.

But the thing is we should not become best buddies with the kuffar. And this idea that we should look up to the Jews is ridiculous.

The Jews got where they are through stealing land from Muslims and genociding Muslims. If other people want to sell out their religion and turn traitor, that's their decision but I'm not looking to do it.

The Jews subvert societies and promote graphy, feminism, etc. How many times must I post this?

birds of a feather flock together. if those are your best buddies, you must be birds of a feather with them.

Narrated Aishah (ra):
I heard the Prophet (ﷺ), "Souls are like recruited troops: Those who are like qualities are inclined to each other, but those who have dissimilar qualities, differ."

-Saheeh Al-Bukhari

anyone who is into being best buddies with the Jews and wants to push on us that we need to hold hands and sing Kumbaya with them- they must be birds of a feather with them and presumably are defective in their moral character.

You are condemning millions of human beings collectively, something very un-islamic. I also noticed that you are misusing the verses and the Hadeeths. They don't fit into your bias against the Jews but have a different meaning anyone can pull up.

 

[KillStreakIsCool]

So the problem is our culture which is backwards and primitive?

Honestly I think we're doomed, I don't see how Somalis will ever change their ways, one of the most stubborn people ever.

More or less what screws up societies have nothing to do with Islam. So, yes, the failure of Somalis and the corruption in their politics is exclusively tribal. The prophet pbuh him clearly stated that whoever calls others to tribal bigotry is not among us(muslims) and is upon pre-islamic culture. Yet Somalis use tribe as an article of faith and ate their country up, deformed it into unrecognizable small tribal states serving Ethiopia. Somalis can not blame anybody nor religion but themselves in that case. All other countries that fail are the same. More or less religion has little or nothing to do with it. Islam is an escapegoat always.

 

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The better off "Muslim" countries are secular or less Islamic, ironic isn't it

What is your point with that? Its the era we live in nations rise and fall. Do you believe the western world was always where they are now?

Secularism is a failure it regressed Somalia into an extremely deep clan division if they had been more centered around theological divisions things wouldn’t be nearly as bad.

Theology actually was what ended the civil war for a brief period and it was a secularist nation (Ethiopia) backed by NATO that designated that as terrorism and destroyed that peace and stability. That interference and giving legitimacy to secularism brought us back to square one as you can see im the political section. So much for peace and progressiveness
And when it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "We are only peacemakers."
[2:11]

You're wasting time by arguing with low Iq people.

“look its working for the west and your country sucks guess that means its time to drop your religion “

Is that what you expect me to accept as high IQ

How it seems to most of the people on here?

If the majority said God doesn't exist, would God stop existing?

The Quran even specifically warns us against following the majority

And if you obey most of those upon the earth, they will mislead you from the way of Allah . They follow not except assumption, and they are not but falsifying.

-Surah Al-An'am 6:116

Even in the world of secular philosophy, this is known as the bandwagon fallacy.

I'm not in a popularity contest. I appreciate others' support but I'm not looking for votes. Popularity is not the criteria of whether I'm right or wrong.

Now do I hate the Jews? Well, I hate the kuffar. That's not to say that I wish harm on them or anything like that. I think we have to be just to everyone. An ethnic Jew who becomes a Muslim is my brother. I'm a big fan of Maryam Jameelah, who was a Jewish woman who became Muslim and supported Muslims.

But the thing is we should not become best buddies with the kuffar. And this idea that we should look up to the Jews is ridiculous.

The Jews got where they are through stealing land from Muslims and genociding Muslims. If other people want to sell out their religion and turn traitor, that's their decision but I'm not looking to do it.

The Jews subvert societies and promote graphy, feminism, etc. How many times must I post this?

birds of a feather flock together. if those are your best buddies, you must be birds of a feather with them.

Narrated Aishah (ra):
I heard the Prophet (ﷺ), "Souls are like recruited troops: Those who are like qualities are inclined to each other, but those who have dissimilar qualities, differ."

-Saheeh Al-Bukhari

anyone who is into being best buddies with the Jews and wants to push on us that we need to hold hands and sing Kumbaya with them- they must be birds of a feather with them and presumably are defective in their moral character.

I wasn’t appealing to anything I was pretty much asking if you really hated jews as thats how it seems to most what with all the posting about them. I didn’t want to start with a premise and have you later say “I never said I hate Jews!”.

I personally don’t believe the Jews are capable of doing half the things people on the internet think they do. They are a small group of people and they are disbursed all over the world with little religiousity and in my experience dont think of eachother as all one group that need to push eachother forward(group mentality).

Most people with Jewish ancestry I have ever met try and just blend into being white. If they were so powerful and driven for world domination on average I would guess Israel would be a much better country than what it is at current.

 

[Omar del Sur]

You are condemning millions of human beings collectively, something very un-islamic. I also noticed that you are misusing the verses and the Hadeeths. They don't fit into your bias against the Jews but have a different meaning anyone can pull up.

Ah okay, so I'm being "very un-Islamic" allegedly. Maybe you're not aware of what Ibn Kathir said about the Jews in his tafsir. I'm in very good company, as apparently the very un-PC Ibn Kathir was also "very un-Islamic".

Have you not learned the tafsir of Surah Al-Fatiha? I suppose by your logic, Surah Al-Fatiha must be very un-Islamic as well. Do you not know what Surah Al-Fatiha said about the Jews?

And Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)- do you not know that he cursed the Jews?

I guess according to PC Islam, Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was "very unIslamic," the Quran is "very unIslamic," Sheikh Ibn Kathir and his tafsir were "very un-Islamic" as well.

I wonder what will happen when the PC Muslims learn what Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) thought about adulterers, homos and "strong independent women" who imitate men.

Fortunately for me and I suppose unfortunately for PC Islam, I don't think I'm going to be judged by a white liberal on the Day of Judgement.

 

[Caaro]

Jews are disgusting penny pinchers who use an exaggerated holocaust to get power and god knows what else. Somalis can't emulate it because we're not in bed with the US and western Europe. If you really think it's jewish work ethics which caused Israel to take over palestine and beat the arab countries then you're retarded.

The only reason Jews are where they are rn in because the us, uk, and many other western countries are helping them like donkeys. You guys sound pathetic and desperate by wanting to form relations with israel.

but what can I expect, 68s can only think about bedding other countries to help them. I've heard of sucking up to arabs, sucking up to chinese, sucking up to us, but now even suck up to jewish scum too?

 

[Al Muslim]

You are condemning millions of human beings collectively, something very un-islamic. I also noticed that you are misusing the verses and the Hadeeths. They don't fit into your bias against the Jews but have a different meaning anyone can pull up.

If they have a different meaning then why don't you bring it? You bring nothing but empty talk here. The jews are backstabbers and hate Muslims. They murder Palestinians, steal their land, demolish their homes and you want to befriend them? Absolutely disgusting, they would kill us all if given the chance.

 

[Happy_]

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Maashallah, Quruxleey. Big beautiful eyes.

Thank you macaan, yours are beautiful as well masha‘allah

 

[Mehmet]

JEW


1 Intelligent
2 Conniving/Scheming
3 No Soul
4 Hard workers
5 Victim minded expert
6 Look out for each other


Somalis


1 Intelligent
2 Con Artists
3 Abundance of Soul
4 Lazy- Get Rich fast specialists
5 Victimizers
6 Depends on your bloody qabil

Haha it takes time

 

[KillStreakIsCool]

Guys, by the logic of some who claim Islam condemns the Jewish people collectively for bad traits inherent in their nature, and because they are ethnically Jewish/Israelite, It means all messengers and prophets born into that ethnicity share the same negative traits and no exceptions are made. Does that make sense to you guys if you use your intelligence? The followers of Moses are Israelites who were Muslims like Somalis. They are brothers in Islam. What exceptions do these past Muslims get if they are condemned collectively for their ethnicity? Some of the arguments sound awfully similar to the arguments made by people who are bigoted against Islam when they condemn all Muslims collectively as people inherently violent and bad. Are we going to accept their claims on Muslims and Islam?

There is zero evidence that Allah prefers one ethnicity over the others in the Quran, likewise, zero evidence of Allah condemning an entire ethnic group by virtue of their ethnicity. Let us not misuse and abuse the Quran and hadeeths. I am reading tons of ignorance passed as knowledge and facts in here. Let us not lie about Islam.

 

[KillStreakIsCool]

If they have a different meaning then why don't you bring it? You bring nothing but empty talk here. The jews are backstabbers and hate Muslims. They murder Palestinians, steal their land, demolish their homes and you want to befriend them? Absolutely disgusting, they would kill us all if given the chance.

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I didn't propose or address friendship with Israeli government. I addressed the lies about Islam supposedly condemning a race or ethnicity collectively without exceptions. I would rather also discuss this with a Palestinian. They make more sense and are more rational about their situation than a Somali Arab-wanna-be idiot. These Palestinians welcome any jew who extends friendship to them into their homes and treat them with respect and humanity. Unlike you guys who are emotional and ignorant of the Islamic facts, Palestinians who are the real victims practice Islamic generosity and respect in dealing with their Jewish neighbors. That is what a Muslim should be, someone who acts superior in character than others.

As far as the verses from the Quran and hadeeths Omar quoted, they have nothing to do with race condemnation in the collective. Some of the quotes totally are out of the subject. Racial bigotry is not part of Islam even if it is aimed at your enemies. Let us be clear about that.

 

[bluebird]

there's no use, first, its all hypothetical thinking and 2.) because you can build yourself up. most somali people can do their own thing.

 

[KillStreakIsCool]

Watch some of these Jews in Israel protesting on behalf of Palestinians and asking the Israeli government to give their neighbors their state-hood and freedom. It is simple fact that human beings no matter what race and ethnicity they belong to would have the same mindset and views. There are good people and bad people in all nations and ethnicity. A fact Islam teaches about human beings contrary to what some are claiming in here.

 

[KillStreakIsCool]

I will make this my final post about Jews and the Quran.

A- Allah almighty condemned the segment of the Jewish people who broke their law in the Quran and in the tongues of the Jewish prophets like Jesus and Moses. You can find same condemnation of the unfaithful Jews in their own Torah and Old testament.

B- Allah almighty praised the Jews who adhered to their laws and faith and called them people of the Book. In fact Muslims are asked to follow the footsteps of those righteous believers of the past including the Jewish faithfuls who followed their prophets accordingly. Remember if these were bad people just because they were born Jewish as some have argued, Allah wouldn't have praised them nor would have asked Muslims to follow their footsteps.

C- Allah almighty asked the Jewish people to recall his favors upon them by sending messengers out of them. Allah asks them to follow his last messenger and heed the final call.


D- Allah told us he favors no one based on race and likewise condemns no one based on race. All human judgments are based on their acceptance or rejection of his message through the messengers. Deeds matter and nothing else.


"And there are, certainly, among the People of the Book(Jews and Christians), those who believe in God, in the Revelation to you, and in the Revelation to them, bowing in humility to God.

They will not sell the Revelation of God for a miserable gain. For them is a reward with their Lord, and God is swift in account.” 3:199

 

[Joliemademoiselle]

wallahi there not more ignorant than someone who doesn’t want to learn.
why always look for others when we have Islam... if we all start acting as the religion want not half-assing we could bring back our old glory.
jews don’t have brotherhood they just stick together because of their fear.
well if acting as Jewish can kill qabilism why not everything but that filth.