Are the martyrs of 1993 mudjahdin ?
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Cry more you victim
Usa committed a war crimes in Somalia, they bombed a peaceful meeting organised by them where intellectuals, prominent elders and professors were gathered to discuss an end to the war.
Did the U.S. Cover Up a Civilian Massacre Before Black Hawk Down?
U.S. forces hit a peace summit in Somalia, then lied about it. Some say the deadly operation violated the laws of war, but more than 25 years later the cover-up continues.
www.thedailybeast.com
They deserved whats coming for them, good riddance.
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I don’t believe martyrs stop to loot and rape. Usually they don’t even burn or cut down the trees and they follow all commandments on the rules of war. Hopefully that answers your question
They saved Somalia from a socialist nutjob.
Buckle up farahs and farahettes. We got a platinum qabil bashing thread in our hands
Did you want an authentic answer or something to make you feel better about rape and torture? I’ve given you the real thing here, those people are definitely burning in hell. They turned on each and committed even more crimes against their own people.
Loool if you think Siyaad was actually socialist then your comment makes total sense.
Allahu A'lam
Is that why we are hellhole today?
They look awesome.
Economically better than pre-1991, no more commie grifting. Are we great? Nah, Somalis haven't amounted to much post-colonialism
Somalia was "socialist" only in name, the economy was a mix of socialism and capitalism like Scandinavian countries today or the CCP in China. Only national resources were nationalized but there was no land grabbing or anything. In fact capitalistic endeavors were supported by the Somali gov to increase local production. The gov would buy land for Somalis from locals to help them build homes or buy land for them to start their own farms or raise cattle. Stuff like free healthcare and free education etc were given as well ofc
a lot of statistics like GDP, esp. in Africa cannot be trusted for around the time period but in this case let's say it was true. Jon Snow and other Europeans who visited Somalia at the time can attest it was better off than other in SSA, which made them believe the Somali Gov at the time was defrauding the intl. community. I have a feeling the old government lied to Westerns inorder to get more aid, which is understandable. The current GDP is nothing to brag out. There is no manufacturing, there are no locally made products made. Majority of whatever is left that contributes to todays "Somali" economy is livestock export from PL. I will compare some things of todays "Somalia" with Siyaad's Somali Republic.
1. Somalia's current GDP is 79-80% foreign aid and remittance. Here is proof. Thank you @Thegoodshepherd for sharing this. Even with the cheap Chinese and western imports model, no is really making money. It's still all mostly foreign aid and remittance.
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source: https://pubdocs.worldbank.org/en/752311492188170790/mpo-som.pdf
2. Somalia under Siyaad was able to avoid the largest famine and drought in the HoA - in 1974-76 MILLIONS of Ethiopians died while Somalis were evacuated and saved. There was also a mass effort to fight desertification that worked when even westerners said it was an impossible task
3. Somalia's economy was semi-planned and allowed for capitalism and trade. Land was never taken from people, livestock was not taken from people, it was the contrary, these things were subsides and encouraged to help increase production and led to more taxes being collected. Only things such as the country's resources were partly state-owned. According to this Somalia was 44 instead of 8, putting above Ethiopia, Nigeria and many others at the time. This system was not "socialism" or "communism" as people like to believe it. It was something close to the Chinese system of today, a mixed bag where a party rules by force but is efficient. It was align and conform or be destroyed. An iron fist rule that prioritize state's well being over others. This is one of the reasons I am not fond of his rule.
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https://countrystudies.us/somalia/64.htm
4. Again here is another example of adjusting for inflation, we were way better off in port use and management. For example Siyaad gave a 10 year lease of partial use of a the port that was built in Berbera. The lease was for the American military, in which each year the paid a substantial amount of money. The port itself was sold for a measly $120 million for 30 years by Siylano and the FGS to the UAE in 2014, now for comparison, like I said we adjust for inflation, the port was making $100 million ALONE from American military use, if we add regular import/export/docking etc for businesses that would add another 40-50 million a year. After delcaring their ""independence"..why didn't Issaqs use the port in 30 years and have it contribute to their economy like Siyaad did??? They waited nearly 30 years to just sell it to the UAE for pennies. This is mind blowing
I talked about it in this thread and did the math in the post below ↓
5. POVERTY was lower than all other SSA African countries. This is what Siyaads game plan was, it was to turn Somalia into a food producing nation capable of feeding itself and becoming an export in food. It was initially working from my understanding.
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There's a lot of assumptions and false info in this post, but I'll concede since I largely don't care for Somalia's crappy economic situation both then and now. I'll get to the crux of my argument below.
Firstly, are you Muslim?
Secondly, are you a supporter of the Kacaan?
If so, what are your thoughts on Siad changing the inheritance laws and killing the scholars who disagreed with him?
Your parents growing up before 1991 would have a substantial better education, diet and quality of life compared to you if you grew up after 1991. Delusional
Nah my folks back home got richer post-1991, and largely benefited from the lack of competition in many markets
