Bari region vs Bari city Italy

[Abdisamad]

I found out there's a city called Bari in Italy, and then there's the Bari region in Somalia, then I started to wonder if the Italians named the region after the Italian city during the colonial times.. But I have no facts of this being the case, do any of you know what the relation is or is it just a coincidence?

Bari, Somalia - Wikipedia

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Bari - Wikipedia

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[DR OSMAN]

I found out there's a city called Bari in Italy, and then there's the Bari region in Somalia, then I started to wonder if the Italians named the region after the Italian city during the colonial times.. But I have no facts of this being the case, do any of you know what the relation is or is it just a coincidence?

Bari, Somalia - Wikipedia

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Bari - Wikipedia

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Bari is a Somali word not a loan word and is directions like waqoyi, koonfuur, galbeed, Bari.

 

[Aurelian]

Bari is a Somali word not a loan word and is directions like waqoyi, koonfuur, galbeed, Bari.

No, that is not good for the narrative, Somalia is an italian creation, even the name is Italian, matter of facts, the italians came to east africa during Abyssinia x Adal wars and implemented this word in both Adal and Abyssinian records, they planted this word here.

 

[DR OSMAN]

No, that is not good for the narrative, Somalia is an italian creation, even the name is Italian, matter of facts, the italians came to east africa during Abyssinia x Adal wars and implemented this word in both Adal and Abyssinian records, they planted this word here.

How they plant it unless u got a word for east as we know the word for south, north, west but don't have for east lol

Lots of languages share similar words doesn't mean it has anything to do with each other.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Only Loan Words would be modern things not ancient things

 

[Abdisamad]

Bari is a Somali word not a loan word and is directions like waqoyi, koonfuur, galbeed, Bari.

So it is a coincidence then why I couldn't find any informations between the names.

 

[Riftvalley]

Bari-East
Barqo-before noon

Those and many other words forming from
A similar stem to the rising of the sun, daylight or periods of time in Somali and other Cushitic languages.

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

Bari means east in Somali as others have said

 

[Burqad]

Bari is the traditional regions of Karkaar+ Caal, it means East in Somali

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

Yes, it is a known fact Bari means 'House' in Latin, and is a borrowed term.

 

[TheLand]

Bari means not only East but also the place where the sun comes out, hence the easternmost province in Somalia is called Bari. It is a shortened form of the word ‘Waa-Bari’ or ‘Waaq-Bari’ meaning the place where waaq comes out, ie sun rises in the east. ‘Galbeed’ by comparison means ‘entering’ or where the Sun sets, ie West. ‘Waqooyi’ means ‘Waaq-hoygi’ ie where waaq resides, the north, or the sky. These are all terms with a long history and tradition in Somali and Cushitic culture.

The Italian ‘Bari’ isn’t pronounced the same. It is pronounced ‘Baari’ with an emphasis on the A and doesn’t have the same meaning.

 

[Maakhri2024]

I found out there's a city called Bari in Italy, and then there's the Bari region in Somalia, then I started to wonder if the Italians named the region after the Italian city during the colonial times.. But I have no facts of this being the case, do any of you know what the relation is or is it just a coincidence?

Bari, Somalia - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Bari - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

bari بَرِيْ ( short vowel ) in Somali means east.
bari [ˈbaːri] بَارِيْ PRONOUNCED : " baari " with ( long vowel ) .

The name "Barium" was the ancient Latin name for the city of Bari, Italy. The name "Barium" may come from the Messapic language word for "house", or from the ancient Greek word barion, which also means "home".

Later, the city was called Barë by Illyrians, which became “Barion” under the Greek domination and “Barium” under the Roman one.

Messapic ( Albanoid language ) is an extinct language considered the closest to Albanian.
Both languages are grouped in the Illyric branch .

Thus, if Bari means house in the Messapic language (closer to the Albanian language), Albanians have a high frequency of haplogroup E1b1b " E-V13 " and Afro-Asian populations are characterized by high frequencies of Y-DNA haplogroup E1b1b.

thus :
𓊪 Uniliteral phonogram for p .
𓂋 Uniliteral phonogram for r .
𓊪 𓂋 = pr .

From Egyptian 𓉐 / 𓊪 𓂋 ( pr , “house”) .
Egyptian : 𓉐 / 𓊪 𓂋 Possibly from a form such as Proto-Afroasiatic *par- (“house”).
Descendants :
Sahidic Coptic: ⲡⲉⲣ- (per-), -ⲡⲱⲣ (-pōr) .
𓉐 ( pr ) → br → gr .
In the Somali : " guri " is " house " also " xero " is " sheepfold " .
in Egyptian pr : par → in Messapic br : bari → in Somali gr : guri / xr : xero .
in Sahidic Coptic-ⲡⲱⲣ (-pōr) → in Somali gr : guri / xr : xero .

 

[Maakhri2024]

Bari means not only East but also the place where the sun comes out, hence the easternmost province in Somalia is called Bari. It is a shortened form of the word ‘Waa-Bari’ or ‘Waaq-Bari’ meaning the place where waaq comes out, ie sun rises in the east. ‘Galbeed’ by comparison means ‘entering’ or where the Sun sets, ie West. ‘Waqooyi’ means ‘Waaq-hoygi’ ie where waaq resides, the north, or the sky. These are all terms with a long history and tradition in Somali and Cushitic culture.

The Italian ‘Bari’ isn’t pronounced the same. It is pronounced ‘Baari’ with an emphasis on the A and doesn’t have the same meaning.

in Somali three-consonant " wbr " pronounced " waaberi " which means : day-break , dawn .
Similarly, in the ancient Egyptian three-consonant " wbn " , It may be pronounced " waben " or " waabeeni " which means shine , rise .

linguistically r=n .
The sounds represented by the letters / sound "r" ,"t", "d", "n", and "l" are pronounced by touching the tip of the tongue to the upper gums.

والحروف المذلقة سميت كذلك لذلاقتها وخفتها وسرعة النطق بها، فبعضها يخرج من ذلق اللسان: وهي الراء واللام، والنون، وبعضها يخرج من ذلق الشفة، وهو الفاء، والباء، والميم

من ذلق اللسان = from tip of the tongue .

wbr " waaberi " = wbn " waben " .

 

[Burqad]

in Somali three-consonant " wbr " pronounced " waaberi " which means : day-break , dawn .
Similarly, in the ancient Egyptian three-consonant " wbn " , It may be pronounced " waben " or " waabeeni " which means shine , rise .

linguistically r=n .
The sounds represented by the letters / sound "r" ,"t", "d", "n", and "l" are pronounced by touching the tip of the tongue to the upper gums.


من ذلق اللسان = from tip of the tongue .

wbr " waaberi " = wbn " waben " .


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bari بَرِيْ ( short vowel ) in Somali means east.
bari [ˈbaːri] بَارِيْ PRONOUNCED : " baari " with ( long vowel ) .





Messapic ( Albanoid language ) is an extinct language considered the closest to Albanian.
Both languages are grouped in the Illyric branch .

Thus, if Bari means house in the Messapic language (closer to the Albanian language), Albanians have a high frequency of haplogroup E1b1b " E-V13 " and Afro-Asian populations are characterized by high frequencies of Y-DNA haplogroup E1b1b.

thus :
𓊪 Uniliteral phonogram for p .
𓂋 Uniliteral phonogram for r .
𓊪 𓂋 = pr .

From Egyptian 𓉐 / 𓊪 𓂋 ( pr , “house”) .
Egyptian : 𓉐 / 𓊪 𓂋 Possibly from a form such as Proto-Afroasiatic *par- (“house”).
Descendants :
Sahidic Coptic: ⲡⲉⲣ- (per-), -ⲡⲱⲣ (-pōr) .
𓉐 ( pr ) → br → gr .
In the Somali : " guri " is " house " also " xero " is " sheepfold " .
in Egyptian pr : par → in Messapic br : bari → in Somali gr : guri / xr : xero .
in Sahidic Coptic-ⲡⲱⲣ (-pōr) → in Somali gr : guri / xr : xero .

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Bari means not only East but also the place where the sun comes out, hence the easternmost province in Somalia is called Bari. It is a shortened form of the word ‘Waa-Bari’ or ‘Waaq-Bari’ meaning the place where waaq comes out, ie sun rises in the east. ‘Galbeed’ by comparison means ‘entering’ or where the Sun sets, ie West. ‘Waqooyi’ means ‘Waaq-hoygi’ ie where waaq resides, the north, or the sky. These are all terms with a long history and tradition in Somali and Cushitic culture.

The Italian ‘Bari’ isn’t pronounced the same. It is pronounced ‘Baari’ with an emphasis on the A and doesn’t have the same meaning.

Two suugo etymologists ruining a good thread

 

[TheLand]

Two suugo etymologists ruining a good thread

Do you even speak Af Soomaali, kid? Stop looking for attention in here.

 

[Maakhri2024]

Bari means not only East but also the place where the sun comes out, hence the easternmost province in Somalia is called Bari. It is a shortened form of the word ‘Waa-Bari’ or ‘Waaq-Bari’ meaning the place where waaq comes out, ie sun rises in the east. ‘Galbeed’ by comparison means ‘entering’ or where the Sun sets, ie West. ‘Waqooyi’ means ‘Waaq-hoygi’ ie where waaq resides, the north, or the sky. These are all terms with a long history and tradition in Somali and Cushitic culture.

The Italian ‘Bari’ isn’t pronounced the same. It is pronounced ‘Baari’ with an emphasis on the A and doesn’t have the same meaning.

Well done , very good analysis. We do indeed need academics like you.

 

[Maakhri2024]

Bari means not only East but also the place where the sun comes out, hence the easternmost province in Somalia is called Bari. It is a shortened form of the word ‘Waa-Bari’ or ‘Waaq-Bari’ meaning the place where waaq comes out, ie sun rises in the east. ‘Galbeed’ by comparison means ‘entering’ or where the Sun sets, ie West. ‘Waqooyi’ means ‘Waaq-hoygi’ ie where waaq resides, the north, or the sky. These are all terms with a long history and tradition in Somali and Cushitic culture.

The Italian ‘Bari’ isn’t pronounced the same. It is pronounced ‘Baari’ with an emphasis on the A and doesn’t have the same meaning.

Waa baa furmay → Waa-Bari .
waagi wuu beryayaa : the dawn is breaking .
f → b
fr ( fur ) → br ( bari ) .
fur : ( furay , furtay ) → bari .
Waa-Bari means the dawn has opened ( dawn has emerged ) .

fur : furmay, furantay; furmi : Wax la furay noqosho.
fur (verb): open; disclose; unload (camel); set free; decipher; untie .
waa : time, era, epoch, occasion, dawn .

jar : cut (up ~ off ~ out), slice, pare, reap,mow down, chop .
jar ( jaray, jartay ) : Wax goyn.
waa jaray : it was cut / broke up .
jaran : jarmay, jarantay; jarmi : Wax la jaray noqosho.

w → f
waagi wuu jarmay ( Dawn broke ) :
waajar → fajar means daybreak .
waa jar → fajar ( daybreak ) .
و ← ف
وَاجَرِ ← فَجَر

in Arabic : فَجْر ( fajr , “ to break up) : daybreak; dawnbreak, beginning, outset, start .


while ( Galbeed) is the place where the sun sets and passes behind the horizon (the place where the sun enters behind the horizon).

gal: to enter, to go into / inside; join .
gal: (galay, gashay; geli) .

y → b
g → c
gal → galay → galab / galbeed / carraabi → ḡarab غرب .

چَل ← چَلَي ← چَلَب / عَرَابي ← غَرَب / عَرَب

 

[Bari]

Bari means east and is not a loan word