Baydhabo is probably the second largest city in Somalia.

[Thegoodshepherd]

Baydhabo probably surpassed Hargaysa as the 2nd largest city sometime in 2023-2024.
So many IDPs have moved to Baydhabo, it is mind boggling.
I think that the countryside of Bay is basically empty at this point.

UN Habitat - Baidoa City Strategy 2023

This could be disastrous if the FGS does not intervene and limit displacement into Baydhabo. Totally unsustainable.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

IOM is estimating that Baydhabo has 1.17 million people when you combine the host community (non-IDP urban population) and the IDPs.

https://dtm.iom.int/online-interactive-resources/somalia-baseline-assessment-2024-gis-online

 

[Kamaaludeen Al Reewin]

This issue can be solved pretty simply. Most of the displacement is caused by AS.

AS is heavily taxing the rural population of that region, causing them to flee instead of paying those extortionate tax. If you are being taxed extortionately and then a drought comes, you will basically starve to death or you have to flee.

This can be proven simply by the fact that during the Siyaad Barre time there was not a single IDP from KGS regions, furthermore IDPs from the north were actually settled in those regions.

This was because number 1 there was no Shabaab taxing the people. Also if any drought did happen the government could easily help those people without having them to leave their regions. Now they can't do that because those regions are heavily controlled by AS.

So the solution is quite simple, liberate the regions by AS. And then bit by bit send all the IDPs back to their regions.

 

[cow]

It's not the 2nd largest city. Hargeysa is 2nd baydhabo is 3rd.

The UN /IOM is fake you cannot believe anything they write.

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

This issue can be solved pretty simply. Most of the displacement is caused by AS.

AS is heavily taxing the rural population of that region, causing them to flee instead of paying those extortionate tax. If you are being taxed extortionately and then a drought comes, you will basically starve to death or you have to flee.

This can be proven simply by the fact that during the Siyaad Barre time there was not a single IDP from KGS regions, furthermore IDPs from the north were actually settled in those regions.

This was because number 1 there was no Shabaab taxing the people. Also if any drought did happen the government could easily help those people without having them to leave their regions. Now they can't do that because those regions are heavily controlled by AS.

So the solution is quite simple, liberate the regions by AS. And then bit by bit send all the IDPs back to their regions.

If this continues and reer KGS continues to urbanize the effects will be felt heavily politically and demographically over the next few decades

 

[Kamaaludeen Al Reewin]

If this continues and reer KGS continues to urbanize the effects will be felt heavily politically and demographically over the next few decades

It's not a good thing tbh. The people in the rural regions are the back bone of the society. They should be back in their regions not getting bariis and oil from ngos.

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

It's not a good thing tbh. The people in the rural regions are the back bone of the society. They should be back in their regions not getting bariis and oil from ngos.

NGOs have destroyed rural society in Somalia

 

[Ibz0]

It's not the 2nd largest city. Hargeysa is 2nd baydhabo is 3rd.

The UN /IOM is fake you cannot believe anything they write.

Just remember when you see Thegoodshepard and anything SL/Isaaq related, take it with a grain of salt. Especially skewed statistics, he's always trying to push a new Narative every few months.

 

[TheLand]

Just remember when you see Thegoodshepard and anything SL/Isaaq related, take it with a grain of salt. Especially skewed statistics, he's always trying to push a new Narative every few months.

Can you prove that with any analysis other than running your mouth? ‘He is insulting my qabiils feelings’ just won’t do.

 

[Kamaaludeen Al Reewin]

NGOs have destroyed rural society in Somalia

Facts, the farmers have no incentive to farm anymore. On top of that a lot of the charity food is being sold for cheap by corrupt businessmen and politicians.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

Can you prove that with any analysis other than running your mouth? ‘He is insulting my qabiils feelings’ just won’t do.

@Ibz0 and everyone who has contradicted me on Somali demographics know I am always right. They just don’t like the conclusions I reach.

It's not the 2nd largest city. Hargeysa is 2nd baydhabo is 3rd.

The UN /IOM is fake you cannot believe anything they write.

IOM data is compiled and collated by neutral actors. I take everything they say as gospel fact.100% trust in foreigners.

 

[Ibz0]

@Ibz0 and everyone who has contradicted me on Somali demographics know I am always right. They just don’t like the conclusions I reach.


IOM data is compiled and collated by neutral actors. I take everything they say as gospel fact.100% trust in foreigners.

You still haven't got back to me about mortality rates in the eastern region, this convo we been through 2 or three years ago. No need to go back and forth. You keep pushing your east fertility nonsense and I'll keep disgreeing.

 

[TheLand]

You still haven't got back to me about mortality rates in the eastern region, this convo we been through 2 or three years ago. No need to go back and forth. You keep pushing your east fertility nonsense and I'll keep disgreeing.

 

[TheLand]

You still haven't got back to me about mortality rates in the eastern region, this convo we been through 2 or three years ago. No need to go back and forth. You keep pushing your east fertility nonsense and I'll keep disgreeing.

I asked you a similar question about what exactly SL admin builds itself without begging foreign governments and you never got back to me

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

You still haven't got back to me about mortality rates in the eastern region, this convo we been through 2 or three years ago. No need to go back and forth. You keep pushing your east fertility nonsense and I'll keep disgreeing.

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@Kamaaludeen Al Reewin @cow
Already as early as April 2021, nearly 4 years ago now, IDP population in Baydhabo was estimated at 431,000 people. These high IDP figures are not new.
Source

The Rift Valley Institute wrote a great article on this catastrophe last year.
BAY AND BAKOOL: HOW SOMALIA’S BREADBASKET TURNED INTO AN EPICENTER OF HUMANITARIAN CRISIS

The scale of this catastrophe is only paralleled by ongoing the depopulation of Lower Shabelle and the flight of its people to IDP camps in Banadir.

 

[Kamaaludeen Al Reewin]

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@Kamaaludeen Al Reewin @cow
Already as early as April 2021, nearly 4 years ago now, IDP population in Baydhabo was estimated at 431,000 people. These high IDP figures are not new.
Source

The Rift Valley Institute wrote a great article on this catastrophe last year.
BAY AND BAKOOL: HOW SOMALIA’S BREADBASKET TURNED INTO AN EPICENTER OF HUMANITARIAN CRISIS

The scale of this catastrophe is only paralleled by ongoing the depopulation of Lower Shabelle and the flight of its people to IDP camps in Banadir.

It's definitely not new. It started post 1991 conflict and has gotten 10x worse after shabaab.