'Blackface': Dutch holiday tradition or racism?

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This is not a culture only native to the DUTCH.
Blackface has been a common trend here in the U.S. and across the Western world.
It seems imitating the SAME people they robbed is imagery for these people.
Check this none sense out, and contribute. Is this racism? Silly question ma niggah




You know the story. Every December jolly St. Nicholas visits the children of the land -- accompanied by his servant, Black Peter, a goofy, singing, candy-giving Renaissance-clad figure in blackface, giant red lips and a curly wig.

What? That doesn't ring a bell?
It would if you lived in the Netherlands, where the visit of Sinterklaas and Zwarte Piet on December 5 -- the eve of St. Nicholas' birthday -- is a longstanding tradition. But it'sa tradition that's been called into question in recent years, including by Roger Ross Williams, the director of the short film "Blackface," which looks into the character and his past.
"It was shocking to me. The arguments of the Dutch is that it's a children's holiday and that it's a tradition," says Williams, an African-American whose short film "Music by Prudence" won an Oscar for short subject in 2010. Many don't see the racist aspects of the character, he adds.
When he announced his documentary, he was insulted online, told to "eat a banana, black monkey" and other epithets. He hasn't been alone in raising hackles; his film shows one black protester being hauled away from a crowd welcoming Zwarte Piet because, in the protester's words, "I made them feel so uncomfortable that they had to get the cops."
The issue of racism is a complex one in the famously liberal Netherlands. (Indeed, its liberalism was a huge attraction for Williams, a gay man who is married to a white Dutchman and now lives in Amsterdam.) The country profited greatly from the slave trade in the 17th and 18th centuries; one of the roles of the Dutch West India Co. was to transport slaves from Africa to the Americas. The Dutch didn't ban slavery in its territories until 1863, though it was illegal in the Netherlands.
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My experiences with the Dutch have not been very good. They're quite boldly racist and ignorant.

This is one of the cases I agree with social justshit warriors, they need to be shamed for their traditions. Just like white people feel the need to shame others for traditions. :)
 
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My experiences with the Dutch have not been very good. They're quite boldly racist and ignorant.

This is one of the cases I agree with social justshit warriors, they need to be shamed for their traditions. Just like white people feel the need to shame others for traditions. :)

I went to Netherland couple of time. Dutch people are the nicest Europeans I've ever came across. They were willing to help me, good with direction. They're very friendly. I always have the best experience in Netherlands.
 
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My experiences with the Dutch have not been very good. They're quite boldly racist and ignorant.

This is one of the cases I agree with social justshit warriors, they need to be shamed for their traditions. Just like white people feel the need to shame others for traditions. :)

The Dutch are known for their racism, and their anti-Afro-Asiatic culture.
Blackflase is another example why these people are scums. Anyone remember what they did in South Africa?
 
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I went to Netherland couple of time. Dutch people are the nicest Europeans I've ever came across. They were willing to help me, good with direction. They're very friendly. I always have the best experience in Netherlands.

I gotta disagree. The Dutch although very welcoming at first are perhaps the most racist group of Europeans in Europe.
I've been to Holland a couple times, and each single time i felt a bubble of negativity.
Maybe this had something to do with my gender, who knows. I prefer elsewhere.
 

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The Dutch don't have many unique holidays of their own except for this one and King's Day. So they cling on to it for dear life and won't let go of this clearly racist holiday despite criticism because they don't have much a culture of their own besides a few things. Their culture is pretty dull.
 

Bielsa

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The likes of Dawkins and Harris always say we shouldn't respect backward cultures just to be PC. But of course they only mean that for third world countries. Not "civilised" Europeans who do fucking blackface in the 21st century. f*ck the Dutch on this. And f*ck their traditions. Change it and join the 21st century. I don't respect your backward shitty traditions.
 
I don't get it, what is racist about this? ...do people just get offended by everything these days?

They do this because of the moors that ruled their sorry asses during medieval time, its celebration of being liberated from the moorish overule.
 
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The Dutch don't have many unique holidays of their own except for this one and King's Day. So they cling on to it for dear life and won't let go of this clearly racist holiday despite criticism because they don't have much a culture of their own besides a few things. Their culture is pretty dull.

We consider culture such as these abnormal, and they should be abolished.
 
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I don't get it, what is racist about this? ...do people just get offended by everything these days?

They do this because of the moors that ruled their sorry asses during medieval time, its celebration of being liberated from the moorish overule.
Don't trash a perfectly normal thread, its not a question whether this is racist or not. I'm sure the facts are pretty obvious.
 
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How am i trashing a thread? you have to have sometime type of perpective. Or else is just ethnocentric on our part.

And this coming from you? I think my perspective was pretty clear the moment i created this topic.
 

Abdalla

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This BS topic is always debated for two weeks every fucking year. Saint Nicolas will return to Spain on 6 December, till then enjoy the gifts of the old saint. Wallahi growing up Sint Nicolaas was one of my favourite holidays along with the two Eids. The Black Pete character have been altered drastically.Few decades he use to be a boogeyman who spoke with broken grammars. Now they depict him in little kids show as the leader without him the Saint Nicolas is lost. They also introduced Yellow Pete and Blue Pete.

Today the Saint stepped by at my work and gave everyone a nice chocolate bar

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