Brief history of how the Somali government collapsed

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JamalNFD

JAMAL
I got many family who were part of the government and military in the late 80s when the government began to dramatic collapse. Here is a brief history.

Government institutions and the military were basically still strong by 1986 despite facing Ethiopian backed rebel groups.
-in mid 1986, Barre gets into a life threatening accident in Mogadishu.
-Much of the army is in the north to deal with the SNM rebels who are heavily outnumbered. As many as 30k government troops against 3k SNM rebels.
-The accident and barres poor health boldens the rebels and further demoralizes the army whose top leadership by now is mainly MOD colonels but the foot soldiers were mostly from all clans.
-Between 86 and 88, the war in the north escalates and there are mass desertions by soldiers who are horrified by the brutality of the conflict. SNM gains the upper hand and take control of portions of hargeysa and other towns.
- Government troops withdraw to city outskirts and a General bombardment of hargeysa is carried out by the regime.

-By now what was basically the Somali army disintegrates and soldiers begin fighting Each other. It becomes Dir,Hawiye & mj vs Red berets who are mainly marexan and Ogaden.
- Red berets withdraw to protect the south and the capital against USC rebels.
-In late 1989, to the surprise of many, Ogaden soldiers turn against Barre after conflict over land in kismayo between marexan and Ogaden
-Barre by now with the remaining loyal marexan soldiers controls only the capital and surrounding.
-in 1991, USC manage to enter Xamar and overthrow Siyad Barre.
-Barre, Morgan and his loyal troops regroup in gedo region.
-Barre is exiled and dies in Nigeria in 1996
 
From dictator to refugee kkkkkkk

Also you missed out the slight detail, no biggie, just of the genocide that took place between 88 and 89
 

JamalNFD

JAMAL
From dictator to refugee kkkkkkk

Also you missed out the slight detail, no biggie, just of the genocide that took place between 88 and 89
From dictator to refugee kkkkkkk

Also you missed out the slight detail, no biggie, just of the genocide that took place between 88 and 89

Which is what SNM leaders wanted knowing full well the nature of the regime by deliberately occupying cities.
 
You failed to mention;
the attempted coup against barre?
Barres attack on the manifesto group? Bombing campaign on the Isaaq?
Massacres on Hawiye Nomads?
Mudug killing by the government ?
 

xisaabiye

Ibnu Suxuufi Ibnu Al Dhoobe
I got many family who were part of the government and military in the late 80s when the government began to dramatic collapse. Here is a brief history.

Government institutions and the military were basically still strong by 1986 despite facing Ethiopian backed rebel groups.
-in mid 1986, Barre gets into a life threatening accident in Mogadishu.
-Much of the army is in the north to deal with the SNM rebels who are heavily outnumbered. As many as 30k government troops against 3k SNM rebels.
-The accident and barres poor health boldens the rebels and further demoralizes the army whose top leadership by now is mainly MOD colonels but the foot soldiers were mostly from all clans.
-Between 86 and 88, the war in the north escalates and there are mass desertions by soldiers who are horrified by the brutality of the conflict. SNM gains the upper hand and take control of portions of hargeysa and other towns.
- Government troops withdraw to city outskirts and a General bombardment of hargeysa is carried out by the regime.

-By now what was basically the Somali army disintegrates and soldiers begin fighting Each other. It becomes Dir,Hawiye & mj vs Red berets who are mainly marexan and Ogaden.
- Red berets withdraw to protect the south and the capital against USC rebels.
-In late 1989, to the surprise of many, Ogaden soldiers turn against Barre after conflict over land in kismayo between marexan and Ogaden
-Barre by now with the remaining loyal marexan soldiers controls only the capital and surrounding.
-in 1991, USC manage to enter Xamar and overthrow Siyad Barre.
-Barre, Morgan and his loyal troops regroup in gedo region.
-Barre is exiled and dies in a Nigerian toilet in 1996

Now it's correct;)
 
:comeon:
You really don't know your history? Please read this easy article on the background and events of the genocide:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaaq_genocide

Was it genocide or were people unfortuantely caught in the cross fire? It was the government vs the SNM. Both sides wanted to win and unfortunately a lot of people died in between. You also have to remember this was a dictatorship. It wasn't right, but dictators rarely play by the rules. Also, people of many different tribes have died under that regime. Again, it was a dictatorship.

I respect your right to want to be a standalone nation, however, because the other clans like Dhulbahante, Warsangeli etc don't want to form their own nation, ultimately it will never happen. The only solution is for the seperatists to move further north out of Sanaag and away from the other clans who refuse to seperate. You can't take them with you and thus, you can't form another functioning nation. Besides, another war would break out like 91 if you actually did. Its not possible nor is it sustainable, but I understand the emotion behind it.

The only solution imo is if we all recognize the attrocities that happened in the past, apologize to one another and move forward to ensure it never happens again.
We must also jail all war criminals regardless of tribe.
 
Was it genocide or were people unfortuantely caught in the cross fire? It was the government vs the SNM. Both sides wanted to win and unfortunately a lot of people died in between. You also have to remember this was a dictatorship. It wasn't right, but dictators rarely play by the rules. Also, people of many different tribes have died under that regime. Again, it was a dictatorship.

I respect your right to want to be a standalone nation, however, because the other clans like Dhulbahante, Warsangeli etc don't want to form their own nation, ultimately it will never happen. The only solution is for the seperatists to move further north out of Sanaag and away from the other clans who refuse to seperate. You can't take them with you and thus, you can't form another functioning nation. Besides, another war would break out like 91 if you actually did. Its not possible nor is it sustainable, but I understand the emotion behind it.

The only solution imo is if we all recognize the attrocities that happened in the past, apologize to one another and move forward to ensure it never happens again.

This thread isn't about Somaliland, it wasn't a crossfire, that's what cheese said. It was a genocide, read the article.
 
This thread isn't about Somaliland, it wasn't a crossfire, that's what cheese said. It was a genocide, read the article.
You brought that point up, sxb :what1:
I briefly read the *ahem* wikipedia article, it doesnt help at all. I am willing to be proven wrong because I am not the type who supports people based on qabil. Both sides are biased but I came to the same conclusion as Farmaajo based off what I read tbh. I could be wrong though.
 

Bohol

VIP
@Luna that is not a solution nor will happen. Lastly the international community already said no to recognition. End of day we are all stuck together.
 

waraabe

Your superior
Should Daroods seperate from their country for Isaaqs?
I just provided u with a solution for the establishment of your gobol as a country. You should thank me, sxb

Darod should move to Somalia places like gedo if they don't want Somaliland
 
Against all odds in the end they were victorious :lawd::rejoice:

Victorious!!!!!!! Said by guy who is refugee in west. If it was victory you should be living in back home enjoying the benefits of your "revolution "(best education, free health, jobs). But instead you joined the losers team and sitting beside us. :siilaanyolaugh:
 

Gambar

VIP
Victorious!!!!!!! Said by guy who is refugee in west. If it was victory you should be living in back home enjoying the benefits of your "revolution "(best education, free health, jobs). But instead you joined the losers team and sitting beside us. :siilaanyolaugh:
Walle waa ruunta eedo!

Victorious ku yeeh :mjlol:
 
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