Camels Come to Africa

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Introduction of Arabian dromedaries into Africa.

http://www.pnas.org/content/113/24/6707.full.pdf

"The absence of genetic structure between WNAF and NAP 0.05) points to an extensive exchange of dromedaries introduced into northeastern Africa from the Arabian Peninsula via the Sinai possibly
starting in the early first millennium BCE and intensifying in the Ptolemaic period (1, 17). From here, dromedaries spread across northern Africa, but their adoption into local economies may have been slow, considering that the first unequivocal evidence for their presence in northwestern Africa comes from archaeological layers dating to the fourth to the seventh century CE

WNAF-NAP showed close cross-continental affinities with Southern Arabian and Asian dromedaries, the two African populations were genetically the most distant ( in contrast with their geographical
proximity. The lowest pairwise genetic distances for Eastern African dromedaries were actually measured with the SAP populations,, suggesting a few possible routes for domestic dromedaries to be introduced to Eastern Africa. These involve thetransfer from the Arabian Peninsula by boat either directly across the Gulf of Aden or further north across the Red Sea to Egypt and then traveling south along the western coast of the Red Sea to
northwestern Sudan, Eritrea, and Ethiopia . Seaborne introduction appears likely, because there is increasing
evidence that the southern Arabian Peninsula played an important role in domestication [e.g., African wild ass (29)] and in the transfer of crops and livestock [e.g., zebu cattle, fat-tailed sheep between South Asia and the African continent. Additional evidence for a separate introduction might come from socio-ethological ob-
servations; today's Eastern African dromedaries are used largely for milk production rather than for riding and transportation, and this use could be rooted in practices associated with the early stage of
dromedary husbandry in the southern Arabian Peninsula."

Camels don't become common in Africa until the 4th-6th centuries AD. Another article states the earliest known from the Horn is 1300 AD. The earliest in Africa went through Sinai. The East African Camels are likely a later and separate introduction, probably by boat. Is it a coincidence only that the northern Samaale clan patriarchs arrive and the clans form at about this time?
 

VixR

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You're inferring that, let's call it the proto-Somali, or their genetic predecessor, traversed the Sinai with the first dromedaries introduced to the region, both of them being imports to the Horn and Africa at large :icon lol:

Conjecture. Romantic conjecture.
 
You're inferring that, let's call it the proto-Somali, or their genetic predecessor, traversed the Sinai with the first dromedaries introduced to the region, both of them being imports to the Horn and Africa at large :icon lol:

Conjecture. Romantic conjecture.


I am inferring no such thing. THAT is no where in there. Please actually read the article.
 

VixR

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I am inferring no such thing. THAT is no where in there. Please actually read the article.
I haven't actually read the article yet, I only skimmed through your write-up.

Shed light on the following excerpt, if you will, particulary in relation to the bolded:
Camels don't become common in Africa until the 4th-6th centuries AD. Another article states the earliest known from the Horn is 1300 AD. The earliest in Africa went through Sinai. The East African Camels are likely a later and separate introduction, probably by boat. Is it a coincidence only that the northern Samaale clan patriarchs arrive and the clans form at about this time?
 
I haven't actually read the article yet, I only skimmed through your write-up.

Shed light on the following excerpt, if you will, particulary in relation to the bolded:

It will all become clear if you read the article and then this:

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/rock-art-pastoralists-in-the-horn-of-africa.23037/

Keep in mind that the oldest Samaale abtirsi is only 800 years old. What I was suggesting is that Isaaq and Darood brought the camel culture with them by ship, not that earlier peoples went via Sinai. The Dir are Cushitic, which means there is no genetic connection, but the culture and camel source is clearly Arabian.
 
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10963-010-9042-2

"The dromedary or one-humped camel, Camelus dromedarius, was likely domesticated from wild ancestors in the Arabian Peninsula, where no wild representatives survive today (Grigson 1983; Grigson et al. 1989). Its superior ability to forage in semi-deserts with far-flung water sources and to endure treks across true desert enabled Africans to exploit more fully expanding arid zones. Radiocarbon dates so far suggest a very recent emergence of camel-based pastoralism in Africa. Rowley-Conwy (1988) reports camel dung from the Predynastic Napatan site of Qsar Ibrim in the early first millennium BC, but the species is not ubiquitous in the Nile Valley until a thousand years later. Dromedaries dated to 1300–1600 AD were found at Laga Oda, in the Horn of Africa (Clark and Williams 1978). The genetics of the species in sub-Saharan Africa remains poorly studied, with the exception of Kenya" (Mburu et al. 200
 
It will all become clear if you read the article and then this:

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/rock-art-pastoralists-in-the-horn-of-africa.23037/

Keep in mind that the oldest Samaale abtirsi is only 800 years old. What I was suggesting is that Isaaq and Darood brought the camel culture with them by ship, not that earlier peoples went via Sinai. The Dir are Cushitic, which means there is no genetic connection, but the culture and camel source is clearly Arabian.

Isaaq lineage goes back around 700 years. Isaaq also married a female descendant of Dir. Dir according to legend is her 3x great gand father. Magaadle, Magad, Mohamed, Hanaftire, Mahe and Dir.

One source claims that Isaaq died in 727 AH, 1326 AD. At around 50 or so. Which makes it highly unlikely that Dir was around just a hundred years before. A better estimate is 150 but that maybe that's too small.
 

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It will all become clear if you read the article and then this:

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/rock-art-pastoralists-in-the-horn-of-africa.23037/

Keep in mind that the oldest Samaale abtirsi is only 800 years old. What I was suggesting is that Isaaq and Darood brought the camel culture with them by ship, not that earlier peoples went via Sinai. The Dir are Cushitic, which means there is no genetic connection, but the culture and camel source is clearly Arabian.

Highlighted portions are erroneous. Oh, what the hell, lies! Dir are Cushitic in social construct only. Paternally one can't technically classify Dir as Cushitic. This is long, complicated and exhausting argument covered ad-nauseam on many other sites, including, perhaps, this one.

Show me the proof Isaaq/Darood brought camel to the peninsula, if anything, Dir, the original Samaales, arguably, arrived the Somali northern coast first.
 
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fake news,Somali camels are local :susp:

http://www.pnas.org/content/113/24/6707.full

"The lowest pairwise genetic distances for Eastern African dromedaries were actually measured with the SAP populations (SI Appendix, Table S2), suggesting a few possible routes for domestic dromedaries to be introduced to Eastern Africa. These involve the transfer from the Arabian Peninsula by boat either directly across the Gulf of Aden or further north across the Red Sea to Egypt and then traveling south along the western coast of the Red Sea to northwestern Sudan, Eritrea, and Ethiopia (SI Appendix, Fig. S4). A seaborne introduction appears likely, because there is increasing evidence that the southern Arabian Peninsula played an important role in domestication [e.g., African wild ass (29)] and in the transfer of crops and livestock [e.g., zebu cattle, fat-tailed sheep (30, 31)] between South Asia and the African continent. Additional evidence for a separate introduction might come from socio-ethological observations; today’s Eastern African dromedaries are used largely for milk production rather than for riding and transportation, and this use could be rooted in practices associated with the early stage of dromedary husbandry in the southern Arabian Peninsula (1, 7)."

There were no wild camel populations in the Horn and camel bone does not appear in the archaeological record until very late. For instance, Hatshepsut's expedition didn't see any.
 
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