Can we know the population of Somalis by dia paying (magtaa)

[mohammdov]

Each clan counts the number of men who pay blood money
It is the way used by the British to calculate the population in Somaliland

 

[mohammdov]

This is for example
You can ask the caaqil of your tribe and he will tell you the census
Tirakoobka RAGGA reer Cabdille iyo rer isaaq

Reer Cabdille 305kun

Reer Warfaa 65kun
Maalinguur 60kun
Amaadin 42kun
Ugaas Kooshin 22kun
Ugaas Nuur 18kun
Ugaas Guleed 10kun
Reer Caamir 10kun
Khalaf-guun 12kun
Ree Cali Nasri 10kun
Reer Cali wanaag 7kun
Aadankhayr 10kun
Cali Yuusuf 10kun
Faarax Booli 3.5kun
Faarax xirsi 3.5kun
Sharmaarke 4kun
Higis 3kun
Shirshoore 2kun
Maxamad Dudub 1kun
Aadan Diini 200nin
Ugax xasan 600nin
Faarax Nuur 400nin
Guleed Awdoon 1kun

Reer Isaaq 200kun

Guleed Allamagan 72kun
Reer Doolaal 36kun
Reer Cismaan 16kun
Cali Alaamgan 3.4kun
Suuleey Allamagan 200nin
Dagaal Allamagan 400nin
Reer Afwayne 1.5nin
Reer Diini Maxamad 9.5kun
Reer Fiqi Gedi 3.3kun
Maxamad Cali 2.7kun
Reer Hoohaar 1.5kun
Bahabar Celi 6kun
Reer Saleebaan 3.5kun
Reer Afwaax 4kun
Baha Makaahiil 10kun
Reer Deri 9.5kun
Reer Dhagood 8.5kun
Bucusbiyaan 9kun
Reer Kaamil 5kun
Guled Xasan 600nin
Axmad Bolonke 400nin
Maxaadroon 3.2kun
Abokor 2.3kun
Reer Cismaan 15kun
Saleebaan 11kun
Abokor 4kun

 

[mohammdov]

Habarjeclo tirakoobka ragga 247.5kun

Axmad Faarax 48kun
Daahir Faarax 35kun
Baha Faarax 4kun
Solamadow 16kun
Aadan Madoobe 8.5kun
Yeesif 5.5kun
Allamagan 1kun
Biciide 55kun
Reer Yoonis 32kun
udurxmiin 6kun
Cali Barre 5kun
maxamad Barre 700nin
Buraale muuse 800nin
Bah Majeelo 3kun
Cumar 13kun
CIbraan 12kun
Sambuur 2kun
Reer dood 5kun

 

[Garaad Awal]

Cibraan & Sanbuur aren’t HJ and I’m also pretty sure that Reer Dood ain’t HJ either

 

[daljirkadahsoon]

Cibraan & Sanbuur aren’t HJ and I’m also pretty sure that Reer Dood ain’t HJ either

Reer Dood is HJ what are you on about and Cibraan and Sanbur are grouped with HJ for qabiil purposes waa dad is leh

 

[Garaad Awal]

Reer Dood is HJ what are you on about

I have heard differently, some say they have asiatic origins.

and Cibraan and Sanbur are grouped with HJ for qabiil purposes waa dad is leh

They are grouped as Habar Xabusheed. Both Sanbuur & Cibraan are independent clans and trace to their own specific “son” of Sheikh Isaxaaq.

The only Habar Xabusheed who has a more independent identity is the Tol Jeclo who lives with us JB in Gabiley région.

 

[Yazi]

Habarjeclo tirakoobka ragga 247.5kun

Axmad Faarax 48kun
Daahir Faarax 35kun
Baha Faarax 4kun
Solamadow 16kun
Aadan Madoobe 8.5kun
Yeesif 5.5kun
Allamagan 1kun
Biciide 55kun
Reer Yoonis 32kun
udurxmiin 6kun
Cali Barre 5kun
maxamad Barre 700nin
Buraale muuse 800nin
Bah Majeelo 3kun
Cumar 13kun
CIbraan 12kun
Sambuur 2kun
Reer dood 5kun

I don't know from where you got these figures but they're wrong as proven by 2021 elections.

 

[mohammdov]

I don't know from where you got these figures but they're wrong as proven by 2021 elections.

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This is men only. In elections, women also vote, and women are more than men

 

[GeeljireGenius]

Depends on the clan, some clans only take diya from a man who is married and have a family while others will take as long as its an adult man.

 

[mohammdov]

Depends on the clan, some clans only take diya from a man who is married and have a family while others will take as long as its an adult man.

Only sacad muuse and Samroon have this culture

 

[_Yusuf_]

I have heard differently, some say they have asiatic origins.

They are grouped as Habar Xabusheed. Both Sanbuur & Cibraan are independent clans and trace to their own specific “son” of Sheikh Isaxaaq.

The only Habar Xabusheed who has a more independent identity is the Tol Jeclo who lives with us JB in Gabiley région.

Was sheikh issaq dir?

 

[GeeljireGenius]

Only sacad muuse and Samroon have this culture

Nah I know other clans who have it too

 

[Aurelian]

paying diya should be eliminated

 

[_Yusuf_]

paying diya should be eliminated

[al-Baqarah 2:178].

O believers! ˹The law of˺ retaliation is set for you in cases of murder—a free man for a free man, a slave for a slave, and a female for a female.1 But if the offender is pardoned by the victim’s guardian,2 then blood-money should be decided fairly3 and payment should be made courteously. This is a concession and a mercy from your Lord. But whoever transgresses after that will suffer a painful punishment.

Diya is part of Sharia. Victims can demand blood for blood if they please. Diya is just an option.

 

[Garaad Awal]

Was sheikh issaq dir?

No. The Isaaq clan has always been an independent clan although DNA has shown some lineages with the Isaaq clan indeed have Dir origins which they have forgotten about. The Habar Magaadle part of Isaaq claims that Sheikh Isaxaaq married a Dir Magaadle woman.The Magaadle still live in Sanaag alongside Isaaqs till today.

 

[_Yusuf_]

No. The Isaaq clan has always been an independent clan although DNA has shown some lineages with the Isaaq clan indeed have Dir origins which they have forgotten about. The Habar Magaadle part of Isaaq claims that Sheikh Isaxaaq married a Dir Magaadle woman.The Magaadle still live in Sanaag alongside Isaaqs till today.

It’s still urur though? I heard the claim Banu Hashim similar to daarood. What do you think?

 

[Aurelian]

[al-Baqarah 2:178].

O believers! ˹The law of˺ retaliation is set for you in cases of murder—a free man for a free man, a slave for a slave, and a female for a female.1 But if the offender is pardoned by the victim’s guardian,2 then blood-money should be decided fairly3 and payment should be made courteously. This is a concession and a mercy from your Lord. But whoever transgresses after that will suffer a painful punishment.

Diya is part of Sharia. Victims can demand blood for blood if they please. Diya is just an option.

A killer can walk free and sit beside you on the bus because of diya

 

[_Yusuf_]

A killer can walk free and sit beside you on the bus because of diya

That's what the victim's family decided. Being a killer is not a unique or a rare thing. How do you think drafts work? Conflict is human nature a base sin that must be resisted.

 

[Aurelian]

That's what the victim's family decided. Being a killer is not a unique or a rare thing. How do you think drafts work? Conflict is human nature a base sin that must be resisted.

what about the victim's right? how come your killer get to go free because your family decided it is ok?

 

[_Yusuf_]

what about the victim's right? how come your killer get to go free because your family decided it is ok?

What do you care? The dunya is just a test bro why hold a grudge? Allah (SWT) is Al-Hakam and he will hold the perpetrator to account on judgment day. As for your family you left behind they may decide to take revenge or accept diya.