Central Asians in Mogadishu

[Emir of Zayla]

In the 13th century, according to Ibn Khaldun, the population of modern Tashkent (now the largest city in Central Asia) was evacuated by a Khwarezmian Sultan because the Qara Khitai Empire (Great Liao) stood at the gates of his kingdom invading. The fleeing population dispersed as refugees into Cairo, Baghdad and Mogadishu.

“In his Kitab al-Ibar, Ibn Khaldun records that the population of Chach was ordered to evacuate the town c. 1207-8 by the Kwarizmshah Qutb al-Din Muhammad the II. Chach lay in the path of an army of the Khita (Qara Khitay) led by Kuchlug Khan. Two other towns, also in the valley of Farghana - Isfijab and Kazan - were evacuated at the same time. According to a variant reading in Ibn Khaldun, the inhabitants of the three towns dispersed into the lands of Islam ‘finally reaching Cairo, Baghdad and Mogadishu.’ “ — Muslim Brotherhoods in Nineteenth-Century Africa by B. G Martin p. 232

 

[ibrahym]

This is why there are similarities between Persia and Mogadishu

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

In the 13th century, according to Ibn Khaldun, the population of modern Tashkent (now the largest city in Central Asia) was evacuated by a Khwarezmian Sultan because the Qara Khitai Empire (Great Liao) stood at the gates of his kingdom invading. The fleeing population dispersed as refugees into Cairo, Baghdad and Mogadishu.

“In his Kitab al-Ibar, Ibn Khaldun records that the population of Chach was ordered to evacuate the town c. 1207-8 by the Kwarizmshah Qutb al-Din Muhammad the II. Chach lay in the path of an army of the Khita (Qara Khitay) led by Kuchlug Khan. Two other towns, also in the valley of Farghana - Isfijab and Kazan - were evacuated at the same time. According to a variant reading in Ibn Khaldun, the inhabitants of the three towns dispersed into the lands of Islam ‘finally reaching Cairo, Baghdad and Mogadishu.’ “ — Muslim Brotherhoods in Nineteenth-Century Africa by B. G Martin p. 232
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Shaanshi tribe was already in in Mogadishu in 7th hijri with the name Al Jid'ati ( Nisbah to Jad'ah bin Maymoon)

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

This is why there are similarities between Persia and Mogadishu

It's not the sole reason there were more people from other parts of Persia like shiraz and naysabur, they may not all be persian

 

[Yami]

In the 13th century, according to Ibn Khaldun, the population of modern Tashkent (now the largest city in Central Asia) was evacuated by a Khwarezmian Sultan because the Qara Khitai Empire (Great Liao) stood at the gates of his kingdom invading. The fleeing population dispersed as refugees into Cairo, Baghdad and Mogadishu.

“In his Kitab al-Ibar, Ibn Khaldun records that the population of Chach was ordered to evacuate the town c. 1207-8 by the Kwarizmshah Qutb al-Din Muhammad the II. Chach lay in the path of an army of the Khita (Qara Khitay) led by Kuchlug Khan. Two other towns, also in the valley of Farghana - Isfijab and Kazan - were evacuated at the same time. According to a variant reading in Ibn Khaldun, the inhabitants of the three towns dispersed into the lands of Islam ‘finally reaching Cairo, Baghdad and Mogadishu.’ “ — Muslim Brotherhoods in Nineteenth-Century Africa by B. G Martin p. 232
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Shaanshiyo claim decent from a man who originated from Tashkent named Abubakar Qaffal al-Shashi. The nisbah shanshi referring to the original name of the town.

 

[Aseer]

They were Uzbeks fleeing Ghengis Khan right?

 

[Yami]

They were Uzbeks fleeing Ghengis Khan right?

Uzbeks were the ones invading. The indigenous people of Central Asia were Aryan Iranic speakers. Today only Tajiks remain of the original population

 

[Aseer]

Uzbeks were the ones invading. The indigenous people of Central Asia were Aryan Iranic speakers. Today only Tajiks remain of the original population

So basically, the ones that fled to mogadishu have no-one to go back to cause they all got wiped off the face off the earth?

 

[Yami]

So basically, the ones that fled to mogadishu have no-one to go back to cause they all got wiped off the face off the earth?

The indhoyar Turks partially mixed with the Aryans who stayed. The majority of Uzbek DNA is still Turk though. a lot of them still look very similar to their cousins in lower Siberia and Mongolia but you can still see some with featuresthat resemble their Aryan ancestors too like some people in this crowd.

To compare this is what the original central Asians looked like.

 

[Emir of Zayla]

Shaanshi tribe was already in in Mogadishu in 7th hijri with the name Al Jid'ati ( Nisbah to Jad'ah bin Maymoon)

They were not, don’t bring your historical revisionism on my posts

 

[Three Moons]

The fleeing Central Asians had a profound impact on the Islamic world. The hero of Ain Jalut, Qutuz was born in the Khwarazmian empire and fled to Egypt as a child when the Mongols invaded. As a grown man he played a significant role in giving the Mongols their first crushing defeat on the open battlefield, and he did this only a few decades after the Mongols had destroyed the country of his fathers (Khwarazmia) and most of the Abbasid Caliphate. The Battle of Ain Jalut and the conversion of Berke Khan are two of the most important turning points in Islamic history of the Middle Ages.

The Central Asian Muslim families also fled to Mogadishu, forming a new quarter, while the Fakr Ad-Din Mosque itself has clear Central Asian influences. There are also artisan inscriptions featuring Nisbahs with Persianate backgrounds, which is evidence that the migrations had a positive cultural impact on a thriving city like Mogadishu.

I also think the horror stories about the atrocities committed by the Mongols reverberated in cities like Zeila and Mogadishu through word of mouth from these new migrant communities, because the trade envoys sent by Kublai Khan to Mogadishu received a cold welcome a few years later.

 

[NidarNidar]

The fleeing Central Asians had a profound impact on the Islamic world. The hero of Ain Jalut, Qutuz was born in the Khwarazmian empire and fled to Egypt as a child when the Mongols invaded. As a grown man he played a significant role in giving the Mongols their first crushing defeat on the open battlefield, and he did this only a few decades after the Mongols had destroyed the country of his fathers (Khwarazmia) and most of the Abbasid Caliphate. The Battle of Ain Jalut and the conversion of Berke Khan are two of the most important turning points in Islamic history of the Middle Ages.

The Central Asian Muslim families also fled to Mogadishu, forming a new quarter, while the Fakr Ad-Din Mosque itself has clear Central Asian influences. There are also artisan inscriptions featuring Nisbahs with Persianate backgrounds, which is evidence that the migrations had a positive cultural impact on a thriving city like Mogadishu.

I also think the horror stories about the atrocities committed by the Mongols reverberated in cities like Zeila and Mogadishu through word of mouth from these new migrant communities, because the trade envoys sent by Kublai Khan to Mogadishu received a cold welcome a few years later.

I read they sent back his head.

 

[Three Moons]

I read they sent back his head.

Who’s head?

 

[NidarNidar]

Who’s head?

The Mongol diplomat.

 

[killerxsmoke]

I read they sent back his head.

they didn't

 

[NidarNidar]

they didn't

 

[Aseer]

The Mongol diplomat.

If that happened, we would all be looking Asian rn.

 

[Three Moons]

If that happened, we would all be looking Asian rn.

They were locked up, which is exactly the kind of diplomatic disrespect that got the Khwarazmian empire destroyed in the first place. God bless the Japanese and the Vietnamese for resisting Kublai Khan long enough to the point where he gave up on trying to conquer new lands by sea, otherwise the Mongols would have definitely come our way and we’d have to fight them in every city on the coast until they pushed us to the Abyssinian highlands and all of us, including the Habashis could end up somewhere in Nigeria.



or we’d beat the shit out of them and remind these upstarts from the Steppe that we wuzz the true nomads.

 

[Yami]

They were locked up, which is exactly the kind of diplomatic disrespect that got the Khwarazmian empire destroyed in the first place. God bless the Japanese and the Vietnamese for resisting Kublai Khan long enough to the point where he gave up on trying to conquer new lands by sea, otherwise the Mongols would have definitely come our way and we’d have to fight them in every city on the coast until they pushed us to the Abyssinian highlands and all of us, including the Habashis could end up somewhere in Nigeria.



or we’d beat the shit out of them and remind these upstarts from the Steppe that we wuzz the true nomads.

Someone should make a movie on that. Title it Lamagoodle vs Khan

 

[killerxsmoke]

Someone should make a movie on that. Title it Lamagoodle vs Khan

It was nothing special, they send envoys and they got arrested that's it really