Did Somalis Conquer Metal

[DR OSMAN]

I know Somalis figured out sticks, because you can see that demonstrated in their aqal designs. They also knew about shapes and sizes because it is shaped in a dome style structure the aqal. Their spears also has metal on it unlike the aboriginals who only had sticks and stones. They combined sticks(used for fire) and stone technology for weaponry.

The Somali spear has a metal tip combined with a stick.

We also have the bow and arrow with a Metal tip.

Somalia welcome to the bronze age civilization. We passed the primitive stage of sticks and stone technology of hunter-gatherer native population. We knew how to use metal for different tools and weapons and possibly civilization. As long we demonstrate we knew about metal and how to convert that to be metal, the field looks great that we also used metal for other aspects of our bronze age civilization. Notice how many things are metal based in civilization today

Lets talk about the stages and phases the somali civilization reached. We knew metal so we can assume we knew the wheel which was made from wood and we knew wood you can see it on our weapon technology.

I am sure we did Pottery and conquered clay and ceramics also with some of the great finds in Hafun. We also did baskets and camel milk containers. Please mention anything I don't know about the Somali civilization. But lets keep it high level. Sticks and Stones we passed that era, we entered bronze age which is the second stage for civilization, did we manage to break into the iron age and create a sword or did we conquer steel process. We need to dig somali history and identify if we have managed to mature enough to figure out iron ore and the conversion process into steel?

The three-age system is the categorization of history into time periods divisible by three; for example, the Stone Age, Bronze Age, and Iron Age.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I am studying what the bronze age was. I don't think it included metals, I think the metal age is the iron age but the early and middle stages of the iron age, because steel is a metal also just a variation of metal. So we probably entered the iron age also. That's the last stage of civilization because everything we have today reports back to metal, wood, and sticks and stone. We haven't passed the metal age, the only thing we have added is the electricity age.

Even the motor and flight is made of metals because it is all steel based the inside of the a car engine and plane engine. So it's not a stand alone age or phase the motor. Only thing we added as a stand alone phase that is comparable to the stone age, bronze age, and iron age is electricity. It spawned so many innovations later on but even electricity uses metals.

Thinking about it, I don't think even electricity is a stand-alone age because it uses metals. If your still using the products and inventions of the past you just innovating or adding to it, not separating from it like we separated from stick and stones to ceramics and pottery and then we managed to reach metals as the last age of our current civilization. We are still in later period of metal age that has added electricity, motor, and other innovations but we are still in the iron age.

 

[James Dahl]

The Bronze Age is something of a misnomer because it's really just the latter part of the Copper age and early metalworking. The metal tools and weapons and ornamentation of the Copper and Bronze ages these were luxury items not widely available, and most people used stone tools and weapons until the advent of the iron age.

What made the iron age so different wasn't necessarily because iron tools are better than bronze tools, bronze swords for instance are actually better quality than iron swords and elite warriors like chiefs or kings kept using bronze weapons, what changed is that iron is much more plentiful and cheap, so metal tool and weapon use became widespread. That is why iron is a game changer, bronze tools and weapons can do what iron tools and weapons can do but for much less money.

Ancient writers also write about how this was a terrible thing, not a good thing. Iron weapons massively changed the balance of power. In the stone and bronze age, vast empires were conquered and ruled by a small elite cadre of soldiers armed with bronze weapons and battles were very small scale as most people could not afford proper weapons or armor. Iron made it possible for rebellions to succeed as they could quickly arm themselves with iron weapons and overwhelm the great empires of the Bronze Age who despite their vast size and wealth had tiny armies composed of elite aristocrats. The Bronze Age Collapse was the culmination of this phenomenon as rebels overthrew the tyrrannical ancient empires of the bronze age and the world essentially descended into chaos and violence that has been essentially been going on ever since.

The ancient writers really write about the Age of Iron as a hellscape compared to the eternal order and peace of the essentially disarmed bronze age.

 

[James Dahl]

As for Somalis, the ancestors of Somalis had iron working though it was a profession that relegated you to Sab status. Even among the Rendille, who are a pre-Islamic time capsule of ancient times, the iron working clan is called Tuumaal.

 

[Jinchuriki]

As for Somalis, the ancestors of Somalis had iron working though it was a profession that relegated you to Sab status. Even among the Rendille, who are a pre-Islamic time capsule of ancient times, the iron working clan is called Tuumaal.

Thats were the word tuumal came from it means "blacksmith" literal "hitting"

 

[DR OSMAN]

Thats were the word tuumal came from it means "blacksmith" literal "hitting"

It would be interesting to study the tumaal intensively, it's what defines a civilization is their knowledge of metals, because metals wouldn't be used only for weapons, once they knew the technology with a bit of shaping and sizing they would have replaced all their stone aged technologies and essentially upgraded to metal based products and goods and services. It's really disputed if Iron is a separate age to metal age anyways and some consider it a variation of metal and should be considered just an innovation or an addition to metal.

We are still in that age believe it or not. All our products are made of metals or steels regardless if it's weaponry or technology or goods. Understanding wood was also have been critical. The essential wish list I have Somalia is is the following.

Wood technology = Lots of products are shaped with woods like homes, our aqal are made of sticks, it would be interesting if the tumaal clan shape wood also or only deal in metals. Did we have a woods making smith? The second wood opens up, a number of technologies open including writing. They use wood containers for our camel milk and it looks highly sophisticated and curved and shaped. It seems like they didn't understand pottery in the nomadic areas. They would've of know how to make boats also.

Metal technology = This is a vast of bulk of technologies in it's own right and the tumaal definitely did conquer this.

Plastic technology = This is currenty really popular but plastic didn't exist in the past, but if we kind of an inkling of this in our civilization it's a game changer.

Ceramics = Massive age in it's own right and opens up glasses, plates, and pottery in general and so forth.

What do you know about Somali civilization, i've never heard you link once our past with key bronze and iron age. We are currently in the Iron age as we speak in our life-time as all our goods have iron materials or metal materials that are used in conjunctions with electricity or computery. Hardware is still metals in IT and it's only using electricity as an innovation on metals. If we didn't have the somali using metal, we wouldn't be able to create hardware either nor combine electricity for other innovations.

 

[Factz]

Remember this. The ancient Somalis that had city-states developed iron which is the sole reason why they resisted the Bantu expansion.

@Kingcobra this is the simple answer.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Remember this. The ancient Somalis that had city-states developed iron which is the sole reason why they resisted the Bantu expansion.

@Kingcobra this is the simple answer.

Nonsense european hog-wash trying to descredit Africa from civilization. Those African voodoo masks alone show a sophisticated understanding of wood, they would've been able to write and had papyrus also if they figured out the ink process becuz they figured out the wood component necessary for writing. They would've of figured out the boat making process also because they had baskets and baskets is weaving strings together, they could've of weaved strings together on boats made of wood and held it together to hold people. They understood shaping and sizing that is demonstratable just from them wooden masks showing sophistication in geometry that's a field of mathamatics you know?

To get that level of precision in shape is not possible just hitting, you would need some marker and points and understanding of maths to get such a shape to develop. They try to link our history as Somalis to Europe cause they hate hearing Blacks actually knew iron because it opens us up for civilization, so they re-write hamitic history and say AHHHHH you came from europe and learned it and conquered the BANTU and primititve stone age hunterers.

The point is kuma quuro inaad adigu wax samaysan kartid, he wants u always learning from the white boy anything that is critical in civilization.

 

[Factz]

Nonsense european hog-wash trying to descredit Africa from civilization. Those African voodoo masks alone show a sophisticated understanding of wood, they would've been able to write and had papyrus also if they figured out the ink process becuz they figured out the wood component necessary for writing. They would've of figured out the boat making process also because they had baskets and baskets is weaving strings together, they could've of weaved strings together on boats made of wood and held it together to hold people. They understood shaping and sizing that is demonstratable just from them wooden masks showing sophistication in geometry that's a field of mathamatics you know?

To get that level of precision in shape is not possible just hitting, you would need some marker and points and understanding of maths to get such a shape to develop. They try to link our history as Somalis to Europe cause they hate hearing Blacks actually knew iron because it opens us up for civilization, so they re-write hamitic history and say AHHHHH you came from europe and learned it and conquered the BANTU and primititve stone age hunterers.

The point is kuma quuro inaad adigu wax samaysan kartid, he wants u always learning from the white boy anything that is critical in civilization.

We even have two old men here trying to discredit the Somali history lol.

 

[DR OSMAN]

We even have two old men here trying to discredit the Somali history lol.

Watch them white boys niyahow, if they see an inkling of intelligence in your history or civilization or sophistication in technology, way isku wada tagan cunugooda iyo ciroolahoooda to figure out how to link this people to europe in some way, it's just totally unacceptable that you can develop this level of sophistication without white boys involved ayay wax kasto uu arkan.

 

[Jinchuriki]

It would be interesting to study the tumaal intensively, it's what defines a civilization is their knowledge of metals, because metals wouldn't be used only for weapons, once they knew the technology with a bit of shaping and sizing they would have replaced all their stone aged technologies and essentially upgraded to metal based products and goods and services. It's really disputed if Iron is a separate age to metal age anyways and some consider it a variation of metal and should be considered just an innovation or an addition to metal.

We are still in that age believe it or not. All our products are made of metals or steels regardless if it's weaponry or technology or goods. Understanding wood was also have been critical. The essential wish list I have Somalia is is the following.

Wood technology = Lots of products are shaped with woods like homes, our aqal are made of sticks, it would be interesting if the tumaal clan shape wood also or only deal in metals. Did we have a woods making smith? The second wood opens up, a number of technologies open including writing. They use wood containers for our camel milk and it looks highly sophisticated and curved and shaped. It seems like they didn't understand pottery in the nomadic areas. They would've of know how to make boats also.

Metal technology = This is a vast of bulk of technologies in it's own right and the tumaal definitely did conquer this.

Plastic technology = This is currenty really popular but plastic didn't exist in the past, but if we kind of an inkling of this in our civilization it's a game changer.

Ceramics = Massive age in it's own right and opens up glasses, plates, and pottery in general and so forth.

What do you know about Somali civilization, i've never heard you link once our past with key bronze and iron age. We are currently in the Iron age as we speak in our life-time as all our goods have iron materials or metal materials that are used in conjunctions with electricity or computery. Hardware is still metals in IT and it's only using electricity as an innovation on metals. If we didn't have the somali using metal, we wouldn't be able to create hardware either nor combine electricity for other innovations.

The problem is that brone was lumpy and wears out faster. The sickle sword was invented in Eygpt it was called a kopesh. Bronze swords were very short, like 24 inches long. Because bronze is weak the longer it is.


The assyrians made iron weapons and fucked over the middle east.

 

[DR OSMAN]

The problem is that brone was lumpy and wears out faster. The sickle sword was invented in Eygpt it was called a kopesh. Bronze swords were very short, like 24 inches long. Because bronze is weak the longer it is.


The assyrians made iron weapons and fucked over the middle east.

Metal is what iron is, it's metal that has been applied longer in heat to change form. Remember einsteins equation, everything is energy and energy laws dictate energy changes and tranforms to something. For example if I bury your ass right now and come back in a 1000 years, you would have transformed and detriotriated from human flesh to human bones and eventually gradually the soil. If I place your skull in between a rock and come back after a 1000 years, your skull would have merged with the stone and become part of it to the point it's unrecognizable unless you dig the rock carefully to bring the skull out. The longer you leave it in the rock, say a a few million years the more it merges into the rock untill your skull has completely evolved and joined the rock material.

Iron is metal, there shouldn't be 3 different ages but two ages in reality. Stone age and then Metal age, and put iron as an innovation of metal in a later period, what you think brother? Let's be honest about it, Iron isn't something that is totally different to metal and it's materials, it's the same material. It's just you applied heat to it for a longer duration of time and increased the temperature and then you do the same thing as metal making you let it cool off somewhere so the heat is gone and transforms that energy into a sharp blade.

 

[Jinchuriki]

Metal is what iron is, it's metal that has been applied longer in heat to change form. Remember einsteins equation, everything is energy and energy laws dictate energy changes and tranforms to something. For example if I bury your ass right now and come back in a 1000 years, you would have transformed and detriotriated from human flesh to human bones and eventually gradually the soil. If I place your skull in between a rock and come back after a 1000 years, your skull would have merged with the stone and become part of it to the point it's unrecognizable unless you dig the rock carefully to bring the skull out. The longer you leave it in the rock, say a a few million years the more it merges into the rock untill your skull has completely evolved and joined the rock material.

Iron is metal, there shouldn't be 3 different ages but two ages in reality. Stone age and then Metal age, and put iron as an innovation of metal in a later period, what you think brother? Let's be honest about it, Iron isn't something that is totally different to metal and it's materials, it's the same material. It's just you applied heat to it for a longer duration of time and increased the temperature and then you do the same thing as metal making you let it cool off somewhere so the heat is gone and transforms that energy into a sharp blade.

Yes

 

[DR OSMAN]

Yes

Well we tamed animals in Somalia, so we had intelligence in wild-life. We tamed the sheep, goat, camel, please note animals are generally wild and very hard to create a relationship with let alone them trusting you for their food source. This would've required a-lot of intelligence and 6th sense stuff. So we conquered the animal kingdom, we could've expanded our animal list applying the same techniques we used with wild animals such as camels, sheeps, and goats but we didn't take it further it seems.

Did we tame the horse? the horse seems to be apart of our culture but was it brought to us later in time or did we have it? judging by las geel, it seems to show animal husbandry intelligence only. Tumaal demonstrate our metal capabilities. Biyomaal our water capabilities? how far and how much did the biyomaal know about water? we could've of combined that with our metal technology to create water points such as grid networks to our city states to feed it water, while on the other hand using our animal husbandry knowledge to feed ourselves. What other areas did Somalis conquer, we definitely left the age of stone and sticks or aborigines and pygmies, we weren't chasing our food brother, we tamed animals and no longer needed to chase it, then we had the tumaal boys develop our metals. We have high levels of knowledge around philosophy and poetry which shows a sophisticated human culture and grasp of language, notice the pygmies still speak with clicks and clacks they haven't even conquered the human speech niyahow. lol

 

[DR OSMAN]

Lets set up an archaelogical department and begin a Somali run and controlled archaelogical team with archaelogical processes unique to our environment and stop copying the western model unless it's useful, we must add and separate from the western model which is addicted to proving it's own people and races. Somalia has all the ingredients necessary for a civilization. Biyo-maal clan our water experts, a tumaal our metal experts, a soomal our animal husbandry expert(provides the food). We definitely had knowledge of wood also as demonstrated by our camel milk container, plus we had a high human culture in terms of poetry and philosophy which is highly intelligent fields of humanities.

What other MAAL exists in the Somali culture? and lets start LOOKING for our civilization and go start digging the ground and earth for artifacts left behind, rather then waiting for some white man to do it who even if he does will re-write our story and shift it towards a european trajectory like @Grant and @James Dahl does. Remember brothers, these white boys when you open their brains and put it on a table for dissecting and you put your brain on there, there is no difference what-so-ever. We must not let our peers mind f*ck us, we must fight back and honor Somali history. Then lets go to Hamitic areas people who are northern, western, southern hamitics because we represent only eastern hamitic population and find out their civilization AND see where we possibly conquered also.

Hamitics were a civilization bro. Kush-Egypt are two prime ones. Then you got the Ethiopia and Sea of Parpylus stories. Plus we have proof that even wild hamitic tribes like ourselves as we weren't settled still had sophistication technologies and understandings of metal, water, animal husbandry and high human history culture on the musics, philosophy, poetry which is embedded into a our culture.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Just look at @Grant and @James Dahl all run and take cover when their european white-wash history is put to question and how they feel it's necessary to descredit other civilized people based on something that isn't even real to begin with racial grounds. Race is a social construct, a baby doesn't know race, they come out with their emotions only as babies, these things are taught to them as if their real. You could teach a white baby they are black and over time they will all think their black and vice-versa because it is social constructs, their genetic facts and this european son of a white-washes history to suit his group of people based on a social construct that isn't genetic based at all.

I speak to you @James Dahl and @Grant stop lying to our people, you may get away with that with the subservient groups of people like Indians and Chinese but not the proud Hamitic races. Were warriors from Berbers, to Somalis, to Oromos, to As far as the seafaring Phoecinians. E1B1 marker, all the greats in history had this marker from napolean to hitler to einstein, all the great inventors. They may have socially been told their white or jewish or german but they sure as hell genetic marker didn't say that, they were apart of our family the hamitics.

They were just one of our boys who got lost among other DNA markers and travelled to your lands and mixed in and became white like you but their genetic markers say a whole different story and that's what matters the markers as that is real and physical not social constructs and mythologies on race.

I don't mind race when it's linked back to DNA markers just not to social constructs such as white, black, brown, and so forth which are human mythologies and has no basis in real scientific observable evidences. Skin is just a costume for our internal anatomy.

You robbed our people of their minds and linked them to think about race and color and language all human mythologies that can be either mixed into or learned in terms of language and has no scientific basis, it's just a good ol'e white boy sitting around creating myths on things that have no foundational basis. Now our people bought into your lies and believe white people are the civilized and hamitics are useless and even some bought into the lie when you saw hamitics had observable civilizations and technologies just as great as the europeans, you had to switch them to think their europeans and started to use racial mythologies to link them over there because you can't accept another group of people are just as intelligent and if not more so.

It's a shame Somalis let this WHITE MAN brain dominate them

When a Hamitic Brain is constructed no differently to the White man Brain.

 

[James Dahl]

@DR OSMAN You have accused me of lying and all manner of horrible things, and I will not respond as I believe you are mentally ill, but please moderate yourself sir. I am not interested in trading insults.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@DR OSMAN You have accused me of lying and all manner of horrible things, and I will not respond as I believe you are mentally ill, but please moderate yourself sir. I am not interested in trading insults.

Dispute the points I raised not use my illness as a way out. Besides my illness is episodic, it's not life-long, I just have crazy moments like Kanye did recently on the stage and got psychotic and got institutionalized, I am like that with my mental illness. It's a 2-3 week event and I am back to reality slamming you european neo nazis.

 

[Pla]

If the tumaals were respected they would have propelled us into greatness