what on earth does promoting mcdonalds have to do with the salaf?????? here I thought we were moving towards a nightmare dystopia future where "sheikhs" promote lgbt..... instead we've entered a nightmare future of "sheikhs" promoting mcdonalds....
Faris al-Hammadi
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here is the infamous Ruhayli pro mcdonalds fatwa
and this guy is supposed to be a big scholar..... I am never calling him sheikh after this.....
there is a whole team of mcdonalds defenders
and this guy is supposed to be a big scholar..... I am never calling him sheikh after this.....
there is a whole team of mcdonalds defenders
Hey, I don’t necessarily agree but here are the facts.
In the Gulf, most of these American companies belong to Khaleejis, so when you boycott those businesses, it’s Saudis and other Khaleejis who mostly lose money, not the Zionists since they get a small amount in royalties.
Anyone can be a Franchise owner. Today, I can open a KFC if I wanted to and I’d be the one reaping most of the benefits. I can open a Macdonald back home and it would mostly be mine and if people boycott I’d lose money not the Zionists as much.
Hence, it isn’t as black and white.
I don’t necessarily agree, I’m just trying to explain.
In the Gulf, most of these American companies belong to Khaleejis, so when you boycott those businesses, it’s Saudis and other Khaleejis who mostly lose money, not the Zionists since they get a small amount in royalties.
Anyone can be a Franchise owner. Today, I can open a KFC if I wanted to and I’d be the one reaping most of the benefits. I can open a Macdonald back home and it would mostly be mine and if people boycott I’d lose money not the Zionists as much.
Hence, it isn’t as black and white.
I don’t necessarily agree, I’m just trying to explain.
this is just the nooancer meme
these gulf countries are sell out.... of course they wouldn't want to do the slightest thing that wouldn't be pleasing to kuffar... I hope all the mcdonalds and starbucks in those countries go out of business and no one takes these fast food imams seriously.... I seriously doubt Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah if he was here would be shilling for mcdonalds and burger king
Let’s break this down. Imagine, I started a franchise, I was the one that mostly made money from it and all my workers are Muslim. Who will suffer more? Me the Muslim or the Zionist who only gets a tiny royalty when the whole operation is Muslim?this is just the nooancer meme
these gulf countries are sell out.... of course they wouldn't want to do the slightest thing that wouldn't be pleasing to kuffar... I hope all the mcdonalds and starbucks in those countries go out of business and no one takes these fast food imams seriously.... I seriously doubt Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah if he was here would be shilling for mcdonalds and burger king
That is what makes it complicated. In Muslim countries, they literally own the franchise and is Arab operated.
(satirical photo that was posted)
this is not salafiyyah, this is a joke. salafiyyah by definition cannot be changed or updated. there is nothing salafi about promoting fast food.
I don’t think Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah would be so emotional.this is just the nooancer meme
these gulf countries are sell out.... of course they wouldn't want to do the slightest thing that wouldn't be pleasing to kuffar... I hope all the mcdonalds and starbucks in those countries go out of business and no one takes these fast food imams seriously.... I seriously doubt Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah if he was here would be shilling for mcdonalds and burger king
He’d take into account that those businesses are Muslim one, run and operated by Muslims and how this will impact Muslim workers, although he’d probably not approve of a McDonald’s or a Starbucks being there in the first place. But it’s there already, so you want to see jobless Muslims and bankrupt ones? They’ll be the ones who suffer as the franchise is there’s not the Zionists
yes, "it's complicated" just as Piers Morgan says or as people say anytime any people want to in some way resist the imperialist powers
you can propagate this thinking and who falls for it falls for it, but I am not falling for the Piers Morgan fence-sitter logic. if you don't want to participate, you could at least stay out of the way and not intervene to protect... mcdonalds. out of all the causes in the world to champion, I can't imagine what would posess people to want to champion protecting mcdonalds as their cause.
yes, if you were alive at the time of mad mullah, I suppose you would maybe call him "emotional". this is the new catch phrase for anyone who wants to resist imperialism, they are being "emotional", they all need to be sellouts like the gulf rulers or they're "emotional".
there is no way Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah would be on board with this defense of mcdonalds thing.
as ever, the feminist turns out to be a Western stooge.
Can you at least debate with me about the point I raised instead of going on a tangent.
Questions:
Do you understand that the franchise are owned by Muslims?
Should those Muslims become bankrupt?
Should thousands of Muslim workers lose their jobs?
That’s the question I want you answer and why I’m on the fence now. Wallah two days ago I was on rampant with the exact same feelings as you. Allah is my witness
@Angelina
why did you qashin this? why do you think the CIA funds your ideology?
you feminists are an appendage of colonialism and it's silly to pretend otherwise. feminists, faris, gulf rulers.... all stooges of imperialism, you have no anti-imperialist bones in your bodies and you intervene on the side of colonalism anytime any sort of resistence emerges. just be honest about your role like hirsi ali is.
I asked you a question, this has nothing to do with feminism.
Is Sh.Fawzan a western Stooge?
It’s his fatwa that argues what I just said about boycotting.
Now you’re accusing me of being a feminist Western stooge for being on the fence due to the fatwa of Sh.Fawzan. Authobillah!
Answer this question @Omar del Sur
also, answer if listening to Sh.Fawzan and being on the edge now makes me a Western stooge.
You can’t and won’t answer this since you’re too emotional. Actually articlate your point logically.
I didn't know this but they actually even have an article on this "Colonialism's use of feminism to promote the culture of the colonisers and undermine native culture has... imparted to feminism in non-western societies the taint of having served as an instrument of colonial domination, rendering it suspect in Arab eyes and vulnerable to the charge of being an ally of colonial interests."
www.theguardian.com
and this is article is written by a woman and from 2002, this isn't "red pill" ideology (which I adamantly oppose btw).....
is it mere coincidence that an ideology that historically is known to be a tool of imperialism jumps in when Muslims are trying to resist imperialism? and @Angelina is certainly a voice of feminism, her take on Islam pretty much always revolves around promoting feminism and now suddenly defending mcdonalds... as though mcdonalds in the gulf is being allowed to use that franchise for free and their money doesn't flow to the parent corporation
Katharine Viner: Feminism as imperialism
Katharine Viner: George Bush is not the first empire-builder to wage war in the name of women.
and this is article is written by a woman and from 2002, this isn't "red pill" ideology (which I adamantly oppose btw).....
is it mere coincidence that an ideology that historically is known to be a tool of imperialism jumps in when Muslims are trying to resist imperialism? and @Angelina is certainly a voice of feminism, her take on Islam pretty much always revolves around promoting feminism and now suddenly defending mcdonalds... as though mcdonalds in the gulf is being allowed to use that franchise for free and their money doesn't flow to the parent corporation
I'm not reading your stuff and I don't consider anti-imperialism as emotionality. not being a sellout, a western stooge is not emotionality. and if Fawzan jumps in to defend mcdonalds then to hell with what he says on the matter. I like some of his stuff but the man is way too close to that Saudi government that's inviting the likes of Shakira.
Alright then. I don’t know tbh. I don’t think Fawzan would base this argument on the government ect.
I think it means you’re no longer a Salafi, since most Salafi scholars have that view?
my point wasn’t to do with being pro imperialism, more to do with how major scholars argue what I’m saying and I’m just a layman. No need for the attacks.
I’m still on the fence. A few days ago I was livid with Faris until I found out it wasn’t his view but that if major scholars.
Your arguement is slanderious because I’m not a feminist. You won’t be able to find one Islamic argument that I made that is feminist. Talking about women’s right from an Islamic perspective isn’t feminist and only a misogynistic person would argue so.I didn't know this but they actually even have an article on this "Colonialism's use of feminism to promote the culture of the colonisers and undermine native culture has... imparted to feminism in non-western societies the taint of having served as an instrument of colonial domination, rendering it suspect in Arab eyes and vulnerable to the charge of being an ally of colonial interests."
Katharine Viner: Feminism as imperialism
Katharine Viner: George Bush is not the first empire-builder to wage war in the name of women.
and this is article is written by a woman and from 2002, this isn't "red pill" ideology (which I adamantly oppose btw).....
is it mere coincidence that an ideology that historically is known to be a tool of imperialism jumps in when Muslims are trying to resist imperialism? and @Angelina is certainly a voice of feminism, her take on Islam pretty much always revolves around promoting feminism and now suddenly defending mcdonalds... as though mcdonalds in the gulf is being allowed to use that franchise for free and their money doesn't flow to the parent corporation
you’re also attacking me for taking into account scholarly views such as Sh.Fawzan. You’ve really lost the plot.
You’re a slanderous emotional individual that those use lies to slander me. This topic has nothing to do with feminism and I’m not a feminist. Simple as.
Malcolm X was ahead of his time in a lot of ways
"These are traps that he creates. If you speak in an angry way about what has happened to our people and what is happening to our people, what does he call it? Emotionalism. Pick up on that. Here the man has got a rope around his neck and because he screams, you know, the cracker that's putting the rope around his neck accuses him of being emotional. [Laughter] You're supposed to have the rope around your neck and holler politely, you know. You're supposed to watch your diction, not shout and wake other people up— this is how you're supposed to holler. You're supposed to be respectable and responsible when you holler against what they're doing to you."
-Malcolm X
Malcolm X:
"If the master’s house caught on fire, the house Negro would fight harder to put the blaze out than the master would."
www.blackpast.org
2023, Faris al Hammadi edition: "if the master's fast food franchise caught on fire"
"These are traps that he creates. If you speak in an angry way about what has happened to our people and what is happening to our people, what does he call it? Emotionalism. Pick up on that. Here the man has got a rope around his neck and because he screams, you know, the cracker that's putting the rope around his neck accuses him of being emotional. [Laughter] You're supposed to have the rope around your neck and holler politely, you know. You're supposed to watch your diction, not shout and wake other people up— this is how you're supposed to holler. You're supposed to be respectable and responsible when you holler against what they're doing to you."
-Malcolm X
Malcolm X:
"If the master’s house caught on fire, the house Negro would fight harder to put the blaze out than the master would."
(1963) Malcolm X, "Message to the Grassroots" •
On December 10, 1963, while still the leading spokesman for the Nation of Islam, Malcolm X gave a speech at a rally in Detroit, Michigan. That speech outlined his basic black nationalist philosophy and established him as a major critic of the civil rights movement. … Read More(1963) Malcolm X...
www.blackpast.org
2023, Faris al Hammadi edition: "if the master's fast food franchise caught on fire"
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