Farmajo refused to integrate 2400 of Puntland's forces (PMPF/PSF) to the SNA

[Shmurda]

Reer N&N are stupid we offer them troops and instead of swallowing their pride they refuse. Thats how you know they don't truly want al shabaab gone. Puntland soldiers love killing al shaytaan fuckers we would've genocided those monkeys like we did in xamar back in 2006

 

[Ferrari]

If this is true, then it is no longer a rumor that he's following his uncle's footsteps. lol
nothing he will ever do would make it more clearer.

 

[Ibro]

The difference between the US and Somalia is there are no checks and balances and the military is used as a militia to fight against clans that rival the clan of the president.

True but this is easily fixable. As someone who studies IR&Politics, there different forms of governance. Best check-in Somalia is to strength the Senate. Right now, Somalia government system functions like this:

If you look at this, there's a clear separation of power between state and federal government because of this has led to conflicts and distrust between two sides. Best to way to rehabilitate Somalia is to reform the Senate system.

If the State parliaments directly elected the Senate, then this could give states a say in national affairs. For example, creating "Somali Army Committee" in where its under supervision of the Senators could build trust between the FGS and States.

But you can take this much more further in opinion. Firstly, there should be a vice-presidency. Firstly, the vice-president shall be elected by a clear majority from Senate assembly. Secondly, The vice president would double as the Speaker of the Senate. Thirdly, the Vice president would have an interest in removing the acting president power in doing this; vice president would use the Senate as form gather more power to impeach the current president from power.

However, there Senators should be elected by the State parliaments in asymmetrical elections. For example, when Puntland hold state parliamentary elections, a new Senators would be appointed into the Senate. Hence each State election will act as a referendum for the acting president. If the president does a good job and has public support, thus Senators with pro-president stance will be elected. But if the acting president does a poor job and lost public support, the new Senators will have an anti-president position more willing to scrutinise the president.

If such get so dire, then vice-president will be able to start impeachment enquiry against the ruling president from the Senator. Thus a check and balance will be formed. The state elections will become as equally important to that of the federal elections.

 

[Farm]

The thread is misleading, it clearly says the PMPF and PSF were not in the discussion.

As for the regular soldiers not being integrated, I see that as a good development. Puntland and the FGS should remain two separate entities, and reading that paper it says international partners (Germany and the UK) are now strongly considering giving financial support and material support to the regional armies due to the failure of the SNA.

 

[Awbarkhadle]

True but this is easily fixable. As someone who studies IR&Politics, there different forms of governance. Best check-in Somalia is to strength the Senate. Right now, Somalia government system functions like this:
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If you look at this, there's a clear separation of power between state and federal government because of this has led to conflicts and distrust between two sides. Best to way to rehabilitate Somalia is to reform the Senate system.

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If the State parliaments directly elected the Senate, then this could give states a say in national affairs. For example, creating "Somali Army Committee" in where its under supervision of the Senators could build trust between the FGS and States.

But you can take this much more further in opinion. Firstly, there should be a vice-presidency. Firstly, the vice-president shall be elected by a clear majority from Senate assembly. Secondly, The vice president would double as the Speaker of the Senate. Thirdly, the Vice president would have an interest in removing the acting president power in doing this; vice president would use the Senate as form gather more power to impeach the current president from power.

However, there Senators should be elected by the State parliaments in asymmetrical elections. For example, when Puntland hold state parliamentary elections, a new Senators would be appointed into the Senate. Hence each State election will act as a referendum for the acting president. If the president does a good job and has public support, thus Senators with pro-president stance will be elected. But if the acting president does a poor job and lost public support, the new Senators will have an anti-president position more willing to scrutinise the president.

If such get so dire, then vice-president will be able to start impeachment enquiry against the ruling president from the Senator. Thus a check and balance will be formed. The state elections will become as equally important to that of the federal elections.

That all sounds nice but we are barbaric Somalis. According to the constitution the states already have republican guards and those are the state security forces. The head of the Supreme Court is picked directly by the president. The speaker of the parliament was violently removed and the parliament was closed. The states have the right to hold there own elections but the federal gov hasn’t recognised the election in jubaland and has instead launched a war against there state forces using Ethiopian troops.

Also there needs to be check and balances in the states. Ahmed madoobe is no different to Farmajo. He held a shame election that’s the problem with the land being held by terrorists there isn’t 1 man 1 vote.

This is why somalia has been in a stalemate for 30 years people are fighting over who will be he next dictator. That’s why SL has just gone its own way. Unless the fed gov ratifies a constitution with all the states it will continue being a UN protectorate. So what is the xaal

 

[Ibro]

That all sounds nice but we are barbaric Somalis. According to the constitution the states already have republican guards and those are the state security forces.

The states do not have a republican guard. Caustitoonaly only the FGS has a standing army. States dont.

The speaker of the parliament was violently removed and the parliament was closed.

Which one? I remember Deni violently removed state speaker from parliament as well.

Also there needs to be check and balances in the states. Ahmed madoobe is no different to Farmajo. He held a shame election that’s the problem with the land being held by terrorists there isn’t 1 man 1 vote.

This is why somalia has been in a stalemate for 30 years people are fighting over who will be he next dictator. That’s why SL has just gone its own way. Unless the fed gov ratifies a constitution with all the states it will continue being a UN protectorate. So what is the xaal

You said it yourself. Foreign interference is the main problem and willingness of leaders like Madobe to invite foreign powers. I honestly, AMISOM needs to go, it became absolute when Kenya and Ethiopia JOin. Originally it was meant to be an apolitical force but it's now heavily politicised.

I do think Somalia will get better. It's just going to be an uphill battle.

 

[Awbarkhadle]

The states do not have a republican guard. Caustitoonaly only the FGS has a standing army. States dont.


Which one? I remember Deni violently removed state speaker from parliament as well.



You said it yourself. Foreign interference is the main problem and willingness of leaders like Madobe to invite foreign powers. I honestly, AMISOM needs to go, it became absolute when Kenya and Ethiopia JOin. Originally it was meant to be an apolitical force but it's now heavily politicised.

I do think Somalia will get better. It's just going to be an uphill battle.

Did you forget when FSG closed the parliament unconstitutionally with the military a jawaari was hiding behind amisom.

What’s the difference between madoobe using Kenya for political goals in Somali internal affairs and Farmajo doing the same with Ethiopia. Madoobe doesn’t even have the power to sign away Somali assets away legally whilst Farmajo gave 4 ports to Ethiopia so they can install a puppet in baydhavo for for him.

All the states have there own state armies. Somalia is in a civil war that is being covered with states and FSG instead of just calling them all unelected warlords. The main issue should be liberating the land so votes can take place than negotiating a constitution that all states will be happy with. Farmajo is playing a useless game as the next president will just be elected in garowe than he’ll be removed from villa somalia by force. There is even a possibility of parralel governments in Mogadishu. There will be another Kampala accord at this rate.

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

This is nonsense that defies both history and geography. Spamming it on somali net won't make it true either. I'm sorry to disappoint you but we are not related.

They desperately want us to be Huutus

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

You can’t integrate maryo calas who have their loyalty to a clan enclave
That is not how military command works

This is the same guy claimming to be reer mahad.

 

[bluebird]

I agree with that notion. How would a somali "national" army work when all somalis have different interest. it isnt like they're going to a foreign country, its on their own soil. its better for him to find a select group of people who are loyal to him, than a disorganized army

 

[Removed]

Instead of answering my questions you made it a whole qabil thing. Like I’ve said before, I’ve always known Madoobe to be a Sheikh but if he is willing to side with Kenya over Somalia for any reason then I would be happy to see him go.

Instead of answering any of my questions you deflected from JL onto saying the FG isn’t perfect. Lol.

You can’t even reasonably explain your points to me (who if anything would be more biased towards OG if anything).

If you’re going to lose all morals and lower yourself to the trash found on this forum at the very least don’t invoke the deen. For your own sake, Allah swt is not unjust and does not grant unjust dua at best. The angels would make the same type of dua against you. I get that kind of rhetoric against gaalo but speaking like that against Muslims makes you sound psychotic.

What questions did you even ask you just raised points? I responded to your points your just hardheaded and tribal like everybody

Trash, Lose morals, Bring up Qabiil?! You brought that up after I posted in a neutral comment Are you insane?

 

[Louis Vuitton Don]

If faarmago were for federalism and giving states their due, then it would be no problem integrating the armies. There wouldn’t be 1 person that would refuse his orders as President. How can something so simple be difficult for him

 

[Parailia somalensis]

@embarassing is just too embarrassing and is the typical emotional woman who doesn't get politics.

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

wait according to N&N supporter:
hawiye militias joining the SNA
ok
former al-shabaab member becoming head of NISA
yup
recruiting child soldiers
whatever
recruiting JSF soldiers in gedo
of course
recruiting robow men after he gor arested
pretty logical
intergrating willing recruit from the most stable FMS security force
whoa, whoa, how can we trust if there loyal to the nation and not there clan enclave or if they meet the neccesary requirements?