Gaas; Somalis need a strong central power to tame them to be a country

[Inquisitive_]

Kkkkk after my karbaash two years ago, he finally comes back to the politics section:


You keep forever crying and hating on Majeerteen, saxiib. We'll always be here for you, to fear. Now, run along and go cry about western Xalimos not giving you the time of day.

What hate are you talking about?

I would be their biggest supporter had wishes been horses, but the reality is that despite all the advantages afforded to them by the kacaan (airport/port) as well as the favourable tribal demographics and a decade and a half head-start, the difference today is very negligible in comparison to the rest.

But your kin talk as if they have built an oasis, a mini Dubai in the midst of a hoard of primitive savages which is a colossal lie and you know it.

Forget Dubai, if Puntland was even 1/10 of Djibouti I would be advocating for them day and night to govern Somalia and the same applies to Somaliland.

 

[Arma]

What hate are you talking about?

I would be their biggest supporter had wishes been horses, but the reality is that despite all the advantages afforded to them by the kacaan (airport/port) as well as the favourable tribal demographics and a decade and a half head-start, the difference today is very negligible in comparison to the rest.

But your kin talk as if they have built an oasis, a mini Dubai in the midst of a hoard of primitive savages which is a colossal lie and you know it.

Forget Dubai, if Puntland was even 1/10 of Djibouti I would be advocating for them day and night to govern Somalia and the same applies to Somaliland.

Keep it up, saxiib. Dont worry, Majeerteen, will continue to be there for you.

 

[Inquisitive_]

Kkk


Sxb, Alxamdulilah we have done well for ourselves considering the circumstances.
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We have built two airports from the scratch and working on a third. We are working on a self funded 2nd port while at the same you're waiting for arab sugar daddy to build one for you. But most importantly, Alxamdulilah we all fall under one mammul and leader something you envy.



Adiga, forget about building ports iyo airports, can you bring just your HG moryaans under one mamuul? Can you remove the hundreds of isbaaros from baraxley to Hobyo?


We all know the answer to those questions.

So in the course of 20 years of autonomous peaceful self-governance and being placed in a fortunate position were you inherited huge kacaan era revenue generating resources which other Somali's with the exception of S/land didn't have, all you have to show for it today is two recent airport both funded by donors?

You should be ashamed of yourself sxb, you had self governance for over two decades with relative peace and favourable clan demographics with no civil war, again something no other Somali was fortunate enough to have.

You should have been an oasis if not at least decades ahead of the rest of us, in all that time you couldn't even expand bosaaso port to support containers which is right now threatening your entire existence.

Like I said before, if you were an oasis which you should have been with all the opportunities that no other Somali clan was afforded with.

I would have personally advocating for your kin to rule, but alas your no better then the rest of us today and it can even be argued your the worst if you factor in the favourable opportunities you squandered and the fact that you brought Xabashi's and Kikuyu's into the country.

 

[Lex Luther]

Keep it up, saxiib. Dont worry, Majeerteen, will continue to be there for you.

Sxb you have to admit though on what the man is saying, regardless of qabiil all Somalis are shit and we are all equal in that shitness regarding to when it comes to ruling a nation, Puntland existed as long in terms of years Abo Siyaad ruled (21 years) yet you have nothing to show for except for 2 recently donor built Airport/port.

Walahi Somalis are doomed if their standard of quality life is this low.

 

[Arma]

Sxb you have to admit though on what the man is saying, regardless of qabiil all Somalis are shit and we are all equal in that shitness regarding to when it comes to ruling a nation, Puntland existed as long in terms of years Abo Siyaad ruled (21 years) yet you have nothing to show for except for 2 recently donor built Airport/port.

Walahi Somalis are doomed if their standard of quality life is this low.

You're a good kid. My beef is not with you, its with your cousin.

 

[nomand]

It is true that all of somalia at the moment is a sh!thole, the least sh!thole is xamar and that is due to it being the capital city and being build by the so many maamuls and foreign powers like Italy.

Somalia population is small compared to our neighbors, the only way to succeed is to come together and build our country.

I think the days where tohe government only cared about the capital city is gone, but how can the government assert its rule and build up other regions if the mucaards are not allowing government officials to visit those cities.

and it is correct when other members said they somaliland and puntland both inherited sea ports and airports build by the kacaan government.

today in hargeysa the only areas that get direct water to the house are the areas which existed during the kacaan era, all new areas do not have running water.

look at hobyo today it is asking for a port, the only body that can build it is the government, not businessmen or even the galmudug maamul, only the central government has enough capital to build it.

 

[Lex Luther]

It is true that all of somalia at the moment is a sh!thole, the least sh!thole is xamar and that is due to it being the capital city and being build by the so many maamuls and foreign powers like Italy.

Somalia population is small compared to our neighbors, the only way to succeed is to come together and build our country.

I think the days where tohe government only cared about the capital city is gone, but how can the government assert its rule and build up other regions if the mucaards are not allowing government officials to visit those cities.

and it is correct when other members said they somaliland and puntland both inherited sea ports and airports build by the kacaan government.

today in hargeysa the only areas that get direct water to the house are the areas which existed during the kacaan era, all new areas do not have running water.

look at hobyo today it is asking for a port, the only body that can build it is the government, not businessmen or even the galmudug maamul, only the central government has enough capital to build it.

You're 100% correct about all you said and Hobyo Port needing the SFG support is the correct way of approach, only an real dowlad like the SFG can get the funds that exceeds 200M$ which is far beyond any militia clan state can ever dream off attaining.

Smh the better we drop this Fiefdom clan states aka federalism soon the better, i hope an strong-man arises soon and unites us Nomads by force as it is our way of life.

 

[nomand]

You're 100% correct about all you said and Hobyo Port needing the SFG support is the correct way of approach, only an real dowlad like the SFG can get the funds that exceeds 200M$ which is far beyond any militia clan state can ever dream off attaining.

Smh the better we drop this Fiefdom clan states aka federalism soon the better, i hope an strong-man arises soon and unites us Nomads by force as it is our way of life.

you are right, but i think a strong man might be too much for Somalis to handle at the moment.

i think, when the oil money starts rolling in and pro government regions like galmudug, hiirshabeele, southwest and gedo start getting billions in government investments. forget about puntland even somaliland will start to wave the blue flag.

money will sort out our problems, thankfully we are blessed with a country with natural resources.

 

[kickz]

@nomand @Lex Luther well said, we will see once debt relief is passed how the infrastructure projects that start rolling in effects unity.

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

So in the course of 20 years of autonomous peaceful self-governance and being placed in a fortunate position were you inherited huge kacaan era revenue generating resources which other Somali's with the exception of S/land didn't have, all you have to show for it today is two recent airport both funded by donors?

You should be ashamed of yourself sxb, you had self governance for over two decades with relative peace and favourable clan demographics with no civil war, again something no other Somali was fortunate enough to have.

You should have been an oasis if not at least decades ahead of the rest of us, in all that time you couldn't even expand bosaaso port to support containers which is right now threatening your entire existence.

Like I said before, if you were an oasis which you should have been with all the opportunities that no other Somali clan was afforded with.

I would have personally advocating for your kin to rule, but alas your no better then the rest of us today and it can even be argued your the worst if you factor in the favourable opportunities you squandered and the fact that you brought Xabashi's and Kikuyu's into the country.

Kkkk, keep moving the post sxb.

What stopped you from having those 20 plus years of peace you keep mentioning? What stopped you from having a mamuul that your whole clan goes under? What stopped you from removing the hundreds of isbaaros littered in HG lands? What is stopping you from having peace between your selves and neighbors? What stopped you from developing your lands?

I know to a HG 20 years of peace is mindboggling, but it aint hard walahi. Try a year and go from there.

 

[Lex Luther]

you are right, but i think a strong man might be too much for Somalis to handle at the moment.

i think, when the oil money starts rolling in and pro government regions like galmudug, hiirshabeele, southwest and gedo start getting billions in government investments. forget about puntland even somaliland will start to wave the blue flag.

money will sort out our problems, thankfully we are blessed with a country with natural resources.

you Marexans need to add your Gedo completely with the Hawiye maamuls, join our KG state and from there we can completely prosper from up in Galmudug to all the way down in Gedo, Mxs prosperity is connected with the Hawiyes, so join us as one, and make your xarun/HQ with us in Mogadishu where we shall give 2 district commission.


Think about that or remain in Jubaland as 2nd class and stay away from our HAG affair because we ain't sharing nothing as it's gonna be all or nothing.

 

[repo]

@Inquisitive_ if you took a Somali and placed him in the middle of a town in Zambia, Tanzania you still wouldn't know the difference than Cadaado with the exception of 1 thing, the rule of law. That's what separates Puntland and Garowe from the rest of the south and must be preserved.

 

[nomand]

@Lex Luther sheikh i have moved away from qabil,

i only fight for somali unity

 

[Lex Luther]

@Lex Luther sheikh i have moved away from qabil,

i only fight for somali unity

I understand bro, but my question statement was not a qabiil one but an Federalism one, that Gedo stands better with HAG maamuls and not in it's current predicament.



P,s that wadani card burned already, there is no more trust there I'm afraid.

 

[Galool]

What have you done in all that time other then be in constant opposition?

You talk as if you have built an oasis to clamour for, which if it was truly the case the rest of the Somali's would have supported you and unanimously agreed to be ruled by your kin.

But alas reality is very different, if wishes were horses then beggars would ride, to govern a single tribal enclave who for the most part are not even known for fighting is not an achievement to boast about.

If you were to place a person in your capital Garowe and that same person in Cadaado, they wouldn't be able to tell the difference between both.

Despite the fact that reer cadaado main base of investment is Xamar and they only recently started investing heavily in there regions unlike you who had a two decade head-start with plenty of kacaan loot to go with it including a national port and an airport while they had none, yet still the difference is negligible.

Your economy is in a death spiral hence why you had to force your traders to use Bosaaso at a significant financial loss, they are no longer able to compete with the traders in other regions.

Your blockade in Gaalkacayo was to stop much cheaper goods coming in from Mogadishu and the same for Berbera forcing your citizens to pay higher costs while impoverishing them.

You went from serving as far as Mandheere in Kenya and the whole of Koonfur for two decades while other ports there remained close to now becoming protectionist's and soon to be beggars.

Your top 2 main source of revenues were all gifts from the Kacaan, this was the port they built you and the revenues you generated from the Kacaan airport in Gaalkacayo, both of them in dire straits now.

There is nothing you built with your own hands/finances that generates any significant revenue for you, hence your on the same boat as the rest of the Somali's.

What a beautiful karbaash. I applaud you

 

[Inquisitive_]

@Inquisitive_ if you took a Somali and placed him in the middle of a town in Zambia, Tanzania you still wouldn't know the difference than Cadaado with the exception of 1 thing, the rule of law. That's what separates Puntland and Garowe from the rest of the south and must be preserved.

Who told you cadaado is not peaceful and the rule of law as we know it is not enforced there? did you even visit the place to make such a stupid statement?

Every single city in Somalia that has a single tribe dominant on the sub-clan level is peaceful and they have their own laws, if you claim it's not then the burden of proof is on you to proof there is a civil war among saleeban.

Cadaado has been the defacto capital for Galmudug for a few years now, as a result many different clan's go in and out without any problems.

 

[Macalin M]

Cadaado has been developing exponentially. Just a correction, Dhuusamareeb is the capital city but I believe Cadaado deserves it more.

He said de facto capital, basically in simpler terms saying it may as well be the capital but not actually the capital legally

 

[nomand]

I understand bro, but my question statement was not a qabiil one but an Federalism one, that Gedo stands better with HAG maamuls and not in it's current predicament.



P,s that wadani card burned already, there is no more trust there I'm afraid.

sxb abdudwaak and balanbale district is under galmudug and we share some city like dhuusamareeb with HG.

Gedo is part of jubbaland my friend, ahmed madoobe is temporary. But marehan settle all over jubbaland from kismaayo to saakow to dolow.

but hopefully we will move away from mini states and implement a strong central government and Federal states which do not have foreign policy or military.

there is enough pie for all of us somalis to eat, lets share it and not fight over it.

 

[repo]

Who told you cadaado is not peaceful and the rule of law as we know it is not enforced there? did you even visit the place to make such a stupid statement?

Every single city in Somalia that has a single tribe dominant on the sub-clan level is peaceful and they have their own laws, if you claim it's not then the burden of proof is on you to proof there is a civil war among saleeban.

Cadaado has been the defacto capital for Galmudug for a few years now, as a result many different clan's go in and out without any problems.

I did not say it was not peaceful I said it had no rule of law. To be fair let me rephrase it, it has no civil law in the 21st century it has xeer law.

 

[Yoo]

Are ready to repeat 50 years of failed state. To me today Somalia progress from federalism so why going to reason the country went to civil war and till today Somaliland.

That wasnt centralism.... a socialist dictatorship is what we had stop equating that to good centralism