Hadith about end of days

[Yaquub]

Can those who are well versed in hadiths explain to me will yajooj and majooj (gog and magog) reach all ends of ther earth or just the closest continent to where they are located? can they swim? since they seem to be portrayed as a primitive people.

“Until, when Ya’jooj and Ma’jooj are let loose (from their barrier), and they swiftly swarm from every mound. And the true promise (Day of Resurrection) shall draw near (to fulfillment)…” [Surah al-Anbiyaa:96-97]

 

[government]

Can those who are well versed in hadiths explain to me will yajooj and majooj (gog and magog) reach all ends of ther earth or just the closest continent to where they are located? can they swim? since they seem to be portrayed as a primitive people.

“Until, when Ya’jooj and Ma’jooj are let loose (from their barrier), and they swiftly swarm from every mound. And the true promise (Day of Resurrection) shall draw near (to fulfillment)…” [Surah al-Anbiyaa:96-97]

Yagoog and majoog will conquer all of the earth also you must know that yagoog and Magog are not two people but rather a race of people anyways when they conquer all of earth they will throw their arrows to the sky and Allah will turn it back to them with blood then they will say we defeated the people on Earth and the sky this part I'm not sure about but I think Allah will send worms to eat them from their necks then all of them die

 

[Bidaar Wanagsan]

Can those who are well versed in hadiths explain to me will yajooj and majooj (gog and magog) reach all ends of ther earth or just the closest continent to where they are located? can they swim? since they seem to be portrayed as a primitive people.

“Until, when Ya’jooj and Ma’jooj are let loose (from their barrier), and they swiftly swarm from every mound. And the true promise (Day of Resurrection) shall draw near (to fulfillment)…” [Surah al-Anbiyaa:96-97]

I thought you didn't believe in hadiths.

 

[Bidaar Wanagsan]

Yagoog and majoog will conquer all of the earth also you must know that yagoog and Magog are not two people but rather a race of people anyways when they conquer all of earth they will throw their arrows to the sky and Allah will turn it back to them with blood then they will say we defeated the people on Earth and the sky this part I'm not sure about but I think Allah will send worms to eat them from their necks then all of them die

Shoot arrows in the sky? You're telling me Yajooj and Majooj will conquer the world with arrows? I'm sure nuclear armed powers like the United States and China are quaking in their boots.

You can tell fake hadiths when they talk about futuristic events as though society will remain in the same primitive technological state as existed when they were written.

This stuff has been debunked by Islamic scholars. Sheikh Atabek Shukurov and Ahmed Israr Khan have exposed the fake hadiths in Bukhari and Sahih Muslim.

 

[government]

Shoot arrows in the sky? You're telling me Yajooj and Majooj will conquer the world with arrows? I'm sure nuclear armed powers like the United States and China are quaking in their boots.

You can tell fake hadiths when they talk about futuristic events as though society will remain in the same primitive technological state as existed when they were written.

This stuff has been debunked by Islamic scholars. Sheikh Atabek Shukurov and Ahmed Israr Khan have exposed the fake hadiths in Bukhari and Sahih Muslim.

There are two possibilities
1 arrows are a metaphor for some weapon in the future
2 the world regresses back to pre industrial revolution world which is a possibility Because of solar flare a nuclear war or allahu aclaam some other reason
But the way you asked the question seemed condescending I think you won't even consider what I'm telling you due to your pre made conclusion

 

[HouseofSamaale]

You guys realise Gog and Magog partially already came out right?

 

[Bidaar Wanagsan]

There are two possibilities
1 arrows are a metaphor for some weapon in the future
2 the world regresses back to pre industrial revolution world which is a possibility Because of solar flare a nuclear war or allahu aclaam some other reason
But the way you asked the question seemed condescending I think you won't even consider what I'm telling you due to your pre made conclusion

Sorry if I sounded condescending. Didn't mean to.

Arrows are metaphors for missiles? If the prophet wanted to say missiles, he would have said missiles. Why mislead people by saying arrows?

Regression to a primitive state? That's unconvincing. Japan was nuked in WW2. Did they revert to arrows? It took them a decade to rebuild. Even if there was a nuclear war or some other disaster, human knowledge would not die. What are the grounds for believing that every single engineer, physicist, chemist, biologist, researcher, academic, and scientist in the world would die? None.

And nor is there any reference in the Quran to such an occurrence. Fake hadiths are man made stuff and should be discarded. They were written almost 300 years after the Prophet's death (SAW). Again, I refer you to the work of Dr Israr Ahmed Khan and others who've written about the fake hadith industry.

 

[Bidaar Wanagsan]

You guys realise Gog and Magog partially already came out right?

Were they bearing arrows when they came out?

 

[HouseofSamaale]

Bidaar Wanaagsan,

Just so you know, there would be no point in the Prophet Sallalahu Alayhi Wasalam saying missiles because the Sahaba had never seen any.

The hadith may or may not be taken literally. I don't know and it is not our place to interpet it given we do not have the pre-requisite knowledge required. Apparently, some scholars take it literally and say technology will regress to a pre-modern era and others say it is a metaphor for modern weaponry.

Furthermore, you seem to think the Prophet Sallalahu Alayhi Wasalam did not have knowledge of future events. This knowledge was given to him by Allah. In fact, the Prophet Sallalahu Alayhi Wasalam knows each and every one of his Ummah by name personally and he is shown our actions.

As for whether they were bearing arrows, I do not know. I only remember reading some scholars believe with good reason that they came out either within or immediately after the death of the Prophet Sallalahu Alayhi Wasalam.

 

[Bidaar Wanagsan]

Bidaar Wanaagsan,

Just so you know, there would be no point in the Prophet Sallalahu Alayhi Wasalam saying missiles because the Sahaba had never seen any.

The hadith may or may not be taken literally. I don't know and it is not our place to interpet it given we do not have the pre-requisite knowledge required. Apparently, some scholars take it literally and say technology will regress to a pre-modern era and others say it is a metaphor for modern weaponry.

Furthermore, you seem to think the Prophet Sallalahu Alayhi Wasalam did not have knowledge of future events. This knowledge was given to him by Allah. In fact, the Prophet Sallalahu Alayhi Wasalam knows each and every one of his Ummah by name personally and he is shown our actions.

As for whether they were bearing arrows, I do not know. I only remember reading some scholars believe with good reason that they came out either within or immediately after the death of the Prophet Sallalahu Alayhi Wasalam.

The Sahaba never heard of the Big Bang or Embryology, but that doesn't stop people from saying there is science in the Quran. So why not missiles? It's not very hard to describe: just long pointy things which explode.

I never said the prophet did not prophesy the future. He wouldn't be a prophet if he couldnt. It's where the word comes from. I said that futuristic events should be futuristic. They shouldn't be about cavemen societies which is what these hadiths suggest. It's not just the ones about Yajooj and Majooj. It's about the ones that deal with Dajjal and others. They claim Dajjal will ride on a donkey that will be in one continent in the morning and in another continent in the afternoon. Really? A donkey? Not a car or a plane or some other means of transportation? It's obvious these hadiths were written by people who thought society would always remain at the primitive level to which they were accustomed.

The prophet never said that scientific knowledge would be lost and humanity would return to a pre-technological state. That's a story invented by Saudis to justify why their man made hadiths look so out of date.

Scholars do have the knowledge to speak about this, and they have. They've exposed it as a fraud. Check out Dr Shabir Ally's videos on fake hadiths.

 

[HouseofSamaale]

Bro, like I said, there would be no benefit in the Prophet Sallalahu Alayhi Wasalam using terminology the Sahaba did not and could not understand.

This is why laymen aren't supposed to read hadiths and interpret them without consulting scholars. And how can you call Sahih Hadith frauds? By the way, scholars have said the 'donkey' is some sort of plane. The many hadiths in this vein often have metaphorical meanings.

 

[Bidaar Wanagsan]

Bro, like I said, there would be no benefit in the Prophet Sallalahu Alayhi Wasalam using terminology the Sahaba did not and could not understand.

This is why laymen aren't supposed to read hadiths and interpret them without consulting scholars. And how can you call Sahih Hadith frauds? By the way, scholars have said the 'donkey' is some sort of plane. The many hadiths in this vein often have metaphorical meanings.

I answered your first point. The Quran is said to contain scientific information a thousand years ahead of its time: the Big Bang, Embryology, Plate Tectonics, etc. The Sahaba never heard of that stuff either. So why exempt missiles?

You keep talking bout laymen. I did not mention laymen. I mentioned Islamic scholars with PhDs who've refuted this nonsense. Imam Abu Hanifa rejected many hadiths which Bukhari accepted. Scholars have been debunking this stuff ever since they emerged. Look up sheikh Atabek Shukurov's video on hadiths for a primer on the subject.

 

[Bidaar Wanagsan]

@HouseofSamaale @government

This brother exposes the many contradictions in the so-called "sahih" hadiths in Bukhari and Muslim. I wanna see you get out of this one:

https://www.mohammedamin.com/Community_issues/How-reliable-are-hadith.html

 

[HouseofSamaale]

So you do not accept the Sahih Sitta?

Also, how is this directly relevant?

Are you saying the hadith above are included in the 'false' ones?

 

[Bidaar Wanagsan]

So you do not accept the Sahih Sitta?

Also, how is this directly relevant?

Are you saying the hadith above are included in the 'false' ones?

I accept hadiths that conform to the Quran. Many hadiths in "sahih" collections contradict the Quran, science, and logic. They also contradict themselves as that link demonstrates. There are "sahih" hadiths that say Allah created Adam in his own image. That's total kufr. The Quran says Allah does not resemble his creation again and again.

Sheikh Atabek Shukurov wrote a book refuting the Saudi worship of fraudulent hadiths:

 

[Yaquub]

I thought you didn't believe in hadiths.

I trust some more than others i.e this one speaks of a topic mentioned in the old testament too so i assume naturally that it would benefit no one to change it.

 

[HouseofSamaale]

All I'll say is this guy is dodgy. Please avoid listening to him.

 

[Bidaar Wanagsan]

All I'll say is this guy is dodgy. Please avoid listening to him.

Unlike the guys who say Allah looks like Adam? Nothing dodgy about that at all.

You still haven't answered the contradictions in hadith enumerated in that link. I wonder why.

 

[Bidaar Wanagsan]

I trust some more than others i.e this one speaks of a topic mentioned in the old testament too so i assume naturally that it would benefit no one to change it.

What's your criteria for sifting bogus hadiths from sound ones?

 

[HouseofSamaale]

Bidaar Wanaagsan,

I haven't read it not because it is wrong but because the scholars say you shouldn't read or examine strange or outright deviant writings. I'm not going to argue with you about it. I only posted so anyone reading this isn't misled by what you're peddling.

And don't compare me to Salafis, I abhor their theology more than you do.