Hassan Sheikh's popularity skyrocketed among Isaaq/Dir mps

[The Midlands]

مصائب قوم عند قوم فوائد


Fearing for their future from a Daarood government, now all the Isaaq/Dir mps support Hassan Sheikh. imagine how the situation would have been if the war between Darood and Isaaq broke out before the elections? Hassan Sheikh has now parliament majority.

 

[anon2]

مصائب قوم عند قوم فوائد


Fearing for their future from a Daarood government, now all the Isaaq/Dir mps support Hassan Sheikh. imagine how the situation would have been if the war between Darood and Isaaq broke out before the elections? Hassan Sheikh has now parliament majority.

are Hawyie all in on this Irir-Samaale fairytale alliance? or are they divided on this topic? As for Dir such as Samaroon, I've noticed they are neutral on pretty much everything and only do things that will benefit them directly or will not cause harm to them. They are level headed unlike most Somalis

Issaqs hate being called Dir but use the label for political motives. I don't know much about Southern Dir other than the fact that they have some sort of relationship with Hargeisa and links to khawarij ..

 

[Prince of HS]

are Hawyie all in on this Irir-Samaale fairytale alliance? or are they divided on this topic? As for Dir such as Samaroon, I've noticed they are neutral on pretty much everything and only do things that will benefit them directly or will not cause harm to them. They are level headed unlike most Somalis

Issaqs hate being called Dir but use the label for political motives. I don't know much about Southern Dir other than the fact that they have some sort of relationship with Hargeisa and links to khawarij ..

Majority of both Hawiye politicans and regular citizens think isaaq are in the wrong. Irir samaale only exists online as a joke. I think bixi should back down and should have never used violence tbh. Now recognition is unlikely to happen. Mind you I was never pro or anti ictiraaf

 

[The Midlands]

are Hawyie all in on this Irir-Samaale fairytale alliance? or are they divided on this topic? As for Dir such as Samaroon, I've noticed they are neutral on pretty much everything and only do things that will benefit them directly or will not cause harm to them. They are level headed unlike most Somalis

Issaqs hate being called Dir but use the label for political motives. I don't know much about Southern Dir other than the fact that they have some sort of relationship with Hargeisa and links to khawarij ..

No it's not about Iririya this is just one-side love
The current enmity between Isaaq and Daarood made Isaaq mps afraid of them leading the Govt and started supporting Hassan Sheikh as a president.

Southern Dir mps like Surre and gaadsan are very pro Isaaq and Ciise are picked by IOG.

I heard they r getting calls from faysal waraabe and biixi called the deputy pm and Abdi Hashi.

 

[anon2]

Majority of both Hawiye politicans and regular citizens think isaaq are in the wrong. Irir samaale only exists online as a joke. I think bixi should back down and should have never used violence tbh. Now recognition is never happening unfortunately. Mind you I was never pro or anti ictiraaf

Bixi and whoever is advising him operate on a mentality of the past, it's to good to hear you lot support your fellow Somali brothers. Despite all the FKD, Daroods support you whenever something happen in Xamar and I'm sure you would do the same if something happened in Bossaso or Garowe.

No it's not about Iririya this is just one-side love
The current enmity between Isaaq and Daarood made Isaaq mps afraid of them leading the Govt and started supporting Hassan Sheikh as a president.

Southern Dir mps like Surre and gaadsan are very pro Isaaq and Ciise are picked by IOG.

HAG has a lot of leverage on Issaq/SL right now, what you decide to do with is important for the future of Somalia. As for Ciise, it makes sense, they have to obey IOG or they will starve. Do you know if Surre or Gaadsan get paid directly by Hargesia, they are very strange, watch this video below.

 

[SPMLegend]

Only in Somalia would you see a sitting President taking neutral sides against a separatist terrorist state



Moving past the Darood hate. Does HSM not consider Hargeisa as part of the Somali republic which he considers himself as the president? regardless of which clan you come from it’s not a good notion to allow the sovereignty of Somalia to be violated because of a fairy tale story called Irir Samaale

 

[The Midlands]

Bixi and whoever is advising him operate on a mentality of the past, it's to good to hear you lot support your fellow Somali brothers. Despite all the FKD, Daroods support you whenever something happen in Xamar and I'm sure you would do the same if something happened in Bossaso or Garowe.


HAG has a lot of leverage on Issaq/SL right now, what you decide to do with is important for the future of Somalia. As for Ciise, it makes sense, they have to obey IOG or they will starve. Do you know if Surre or Gaadsan get paid directly by Hargesia, they are very strange, watch this video below.

yes i agree with You.

Surre and Gaadsan had SSNM(Southern SNM) and were allied with Gen Caydiid so SL supported them against HG and Hawadle "because they were supporting SNM"

There is Nothern Dir Jeegaan between Isaaq(Habar awal) and ISSA against Gadabursi in Saylac in exchange of Habar awal getting looked after in Djibouti and Muuse biixi is Habar awal so besides IOG they have both Jeegaan within Dir.

 

[SPMLegend]

the Ugaas of the Gadabursi tribe defends the people of SSC that are being massacred by SNM terrorists


The Ugaas survived an assassination attempt by the SNM regime a few years back. You just can not force everyone to accept your tyranny.

 

[The Midlands]

Only in Somalia would you see a sitting President taking neutral sides against a separatist terrorist state



Moving past the Darood hate. Does HSM not consider Hargeisa as part of the Somali republic which he considers himself as the president? regardless of which clan you come from it’s not a good notion to allow the sovereignty of Somalia to be violated because of a fairly tale story called Irir Samaale

Hassan Sheikh's Statement was great it was based on 4.5 some lines supporting SSC and others SL
But it was pressuring on SL for talks. Why not mention Your Xamse who stayed away from SSC for his own interests in the parliament that why he left it for Fiqi.

 

[killerxsmoke]

Only in Somalia would you see a sitting President taking neutral sides against a separatist terrorist state



Moving past the Darood hate. Does HSM not consider Hargeisa as part of the Somali republic which he considers himself as the president? regardless of which clan you come from it’s not a good notion to allow the sovereignty of Somalia to be violated because of a fairly tale story called Irir Samaale

How can we pick sides and fight for khatumo when we are not even confident in defeating alshabab.

 

[SPMLegend]

Hassan Sheikh's Statement was great it was based on 4.5 some lines supporting SSC and others SL . Why not mention Your Xamse who stayed away from SSC for his own interests in the parliament that why he left it for Fiqi.

Xamse will release a statement soon when SNM is entirely cleansed from Laascanood. Otherwise it will be embarrassing to act too early. we mustn’t rush this war. If SNM manages to enter the city it will be a political lost for the OPM. That’s why we are not celebrating too early yet until it’s final.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Now that the Federal Government, is actually acting like a Federal Government and sending Aid, I doubt Iidooria will be happy.

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/somali-national-disaster-management-agency-are-on-their-way-to-lascanod.142470/

 

[bidenkulaha]

Maybe at this point the best thing for SL is if FGS pause any momentum for ‘statehood’ or Laascaanood joining PL and just allow the residents to control their affairs and have it administered by the FGS but still considered as SL. Shouldn’t change the international reputation of SL too much like a full on war for weeks or even months and there’s no interest for HAG to see Darood expand in SL.

We can facilitate talks between Laascaanood and SL and allow the place to be run by the ex-SL Laascaanood officials

 

[Burqad]

There is nothing called Irir and there is barely anything called Darood. take a look at the last election if you don’t believe me.

 

[Bowda-dheer]

Bixi and whoever is advising him operate on a mentality of the past, it's to good to hear you lot support your fellow Somali brothers. Despite all the FKD, Daroods support you whenever something happen in Xamar and I'm sure you would do the same if something happened in Bossaso or Garowe.


HAG has a lot of leverage on Issaq/SL right now, what you decide to do with is important for the future of Somalia. As for Ciise, it makes sense, they have to obey IOG or they will starve. Do you know if Surre or Gaadsan get paid directly by Hargesia, they are very strange, watch this video below.

Surre/gaadsan are very small and live in small enclaves within Hawiye or ogaden that’s why they’re very pro Dir or irir. They’re a minority far away from the big dir like ciise samaroon isaaq. In the 80s they took advantage of Ethiopia arming the different rebels usc, ssdf snm against the somali government. They formed ssnm which attacked the cawlyahn OG in afdheer, somali galbeed. They’re prettty useless in the grand scheme of war because if they took up arms in support of isaaq they would just be fighting with an OG subclan in the far corner of somali galbeed. On the other side they would be swallowed by hawadle or hg as they live inside them.

 

[anonimo]

Surre/gaadsan are very small and live in small enclaves within Hawiye or ogaden that’s why they’re very pro Dir or irir. They’re a minority far away from the big dir like ciise samaroon isaaq. In the 80s they took advantage of Ethiopia arming the different rebels usc, ssdf snm against the somali government. They formed ssnm which attacked the cawlyahn OG in afdheer, somali galbeed. They’re prettty useless in the grand scheme of war because if they took up arms in support of isaaq they would just be fighting with an OG subclan in the far corner of somali galbeed. On the other side they would be swallowed by hawadle or hg as they live inside them.

Surre are not necessarily pro-Dir or Irir, you can argue being Maha Dir, Surre are more pro-Isaaq and they have stood by us during testing times as exemplified by how Somaliland raised funds for the Surre in Hiiraan during the flooding a few years back.


Secondly, most Surre in Ethiopia do not live in the midst of Ogaden as they mainly settle in the district of Dolowbay where they are the majority and only border the Ogaden to the North at Bare. The Degoodi, Garremare and Beydisle Hawiye are to their South. These Surres extend into Somalia where they settle adjacent parts of Luuq and Dolow District North of the River in Bohol Garas and Qoney where no Ogadens are present; only Ranhanweyn and Gaadsan border them.

The SEMG conducted a brief assessment of the main humanitarian inputs received by communities living in, and in villages surrounding, the towns of Bohol-Garas and Qooney — approximately 7,000 households — between late 2015 and July 2017.

There are 44 sub-villages connected with Bohol Garas and Qooney.

UN Monitoring Report 2017.

S/2017/924

The only argument that you can make is that Xer Surre of Qabribayax are the only Surres found among the Ogaden and they live in Shaygoosh district along with the Reer Cabdille.


They have their own representatives such as the district official Bashir Xabsaade even though the Dir and Daarood politics of K5 has certain Ogaden calling for his removal from this administrative position.


A current high ranking Surre Liyuu is also from the same area.


Your argument that Surre are necessarily pro-Dir is proved false by the fact that the Ethiopian ones were pro-Ile for the most part. Few of us who know our History have a bad word to say about Cabdi Iley from a subclan perspective. A Vice Liyuu General of his was a Surre. It is thanks to this Surre Liyuu connection that we were able to enlist Surres from Dolow Bay into the Liyuu and join them up with Hiiraan Surre fighters to defeat the Xawaadle in 2015.

As I explained in a previous thread, the Surres who remained in Hiiraan live by the fertile riverbank, not in the middle of Xawaadle Mii territory. They border Reer Aw Xassan Ethiopia on one side and the Gugundhabe/Makanes are across the river hence why our Ethiopian fighters were able to gain access into Hiiraan via these entry points when the Xawaadle tried to steal the fertile riverbank we live in.

Xawaadle militia, supported by the Somali National Army, have launched fierce attacks on the
villages of Kabxanley and Defow outside Belet Weyne in an attempt to permanently displace the Surre farming community from their lands along the fertile banks of the
Shabelle River (see annex 6.3.a and strictly confidential annex 6.3.b).

Eventually the Surre community regrouped and with support of fighters and equipment from Surre clans in other parts of the country, and others, led a series of counter attacks. The force ousted the Hawadle militia from primary control of Kabxanley and Defow in a series of fierce battles between January and March 2015."
Annex 6.3.a: Commission of violations of international law involving the targeting of civilians in the villages of Kabxanley and Defow, Hiran, December 2013 – 2015

UN Monitoring Report 2015

S/2015/801

As for your other claim that Surre live in the midst of proper Hawiye, this is also not true. In Central Somalia, only the Qubeys in the Bacaadweyne area live between Sacad and Saleebaan. The Galgadud ones neighbour both the MX and HG whilst Reer Towfiiq have their own large coastal and Ximan territory where they border the MJ, HG and Sheekhaal. The Towfiiq ones are also not pro-Irir as you have assumed for the Surre clan in general, they actually have better relations with MJ and have fought bitterly with HG as recently as 3 years ago.

Regarding the Biimaal Gaadsans, they do not live among OG in K5 or Bakool today. The Fiqi Cilmi in Nusdariq border both the Garxajis and Ogaden in Northern K5 whilst the Daweed in Jarrati Woreda border Degoodi Gurre, Surre whilst the river mainly divides the OG and Gaadsan areas of the district. In Bakool's Rabdhurre District, the Gaadsan border with Ogaden is after the Gaadsan town of Washaaqo, and the RX live to their South.

You do have a point though, Surre are detached from the Waqooyi Dir heartland nor are they nearly as large as their Northern kinsmen. However, our non-centralised situation does not mean we are few in numbers as exemplified by our widespread settlements, but it highlights how we are hindered by sub sub subclans living states apart.

As for the Isaaq, they don't need our assistance nor are we in a geographic position to hypothetically assist them. I personally do not support the LA wars as I believe every clan should decide their own destiny and live freely in their lands.

However, those arguing that conflict has become tribalised with Dirirism or Irirism are misguided. If this was the case, Bixi and Geele have a close relationship and Somalia ain't like the Ethiopian Ciise situation as anyone can military interfere in its internal affairs. So far there is no evidence that Geele has thrown his full weight behind Somaliland or that they have a need for Ciise intervention. Let us keep it real, if that was the case, one would see Djiboutian drones etc. helping the Isaaq.

 

[Bowda-dheer]

Surre are not necessarily pro-Dir or Irir, you can argue being Maha Dir, Surre are more pro-Isaaq and they have stood by us during testing times as exemplified by how Somaliland raised funds for the Surre in Hiiraan during the flooding a few years back.


Secondly, most Surre in Ethiopia do not live in the midst of Ogaden as they mainly settle in the district of Dolowbay where they are the majority and only border the Ogaden to the North at Bare. The Degoodi, Garremare and Beydisle Hawiye are to their South. These Surres extend into Somalia where they settle adjacent parts of Luuq and Dolow District North of the River in Bohol Garas and Qoney where no Ogadens are present; only Ranhanweyn and Gaadsan border them.


UN Monitoring Report 2017.


The only argument that you can make is that Xer Surre of Qabribayax are the only Surres found among the Ogaden and they live in Shaygoosh district along with the Reer Cabdille.


They have their own representatives such as the district official Bashir Xabsaade even though the Dir and Daarood politics of K5 has certain Ogaden calling for his removal from this administrative position.


A current high ranking Surre Liyuu is also from the same area.


Your argument that Surre are necessarily pro-Dir is proved false by the fact that the Ethiopian ones were pro-Ile for the most part. Few of us who know our History have a bad word to say about Cabdi Iley from a subclan perspective. A Vice Liyuu General of his was a Surre. It is thanks to this Surre Liyuu connection that we were able to enlist Surres from Dolow Bay into the Liyuu and join them up with Hiiraan Surre fighters to defeat the Xawaadle in 2015.

As I explained in a previous thread, the Surres who remained in Hiiraan live by the fertile riverbank, not in the middle of Xawaadle Mii territory. They border Reer Aw Xassan Ethiopia on one side and the Gugundhabe/Makanes are across the river hence why our Ethiopian fighters were able to gain access into Hiiraan via these entry points when the Xawaadle tried to steal the fertile riverbank we live in.



UN Monitoring Report 2015

S/2015/801

As for your other claim that Surre live in the midst of proper Hawiye, this is also not true. In Central Somalia, only the Qubeys in the Bacaadweyne area live between Sacad and Saleebaan. The Galgadud ones neighbour both the MX and HG whilst Reer Towfiiq have their own large coastal and Ximan territory where they border the MJ, HG and Sheekhaal. The Towfiiq ones are also not pro-Irir as you have assumed for the Surre clan in general, they actually have better relations with MJ and have fought bitterly with HG as recently as 3 years ago.

Regarding the Biimaal Gaadsans, they do not live among OG in K5 or Bakool today. The Fiqi Cilmi in Nusdariq border both the Garxajis and Ogaden in Northern K5 whilst the Daweed in Jarrati Woreda border Degoodi Gurre, Surre whilst the river mainly divides the OG and Gaadsan areas of the district. In Bakool's Rabdhurre District, the Gaadsan border with Ogaden is after the Gaadsan town of Washaaqo, and the RX live to their South.

You do have a point though, Surre are detached from the Waqooyi Dir heartland nor are they nearly as large as their Northern kinsmen. However, our non-centralised situation does not mean we are few in numbers as exemplified by our widespread settlements, but it highlights how we are hindered by sub sub subclans living states apart.

As for the Isaaq, they don't need our assistance nor are we in a geographic position to hypothetically assist them. I personally do not support the LA wars as I believe every clan should decide their own destiny and live freely in their lands.

However, those arguing that conflict has become tribalised with Dirirism or Irirism are misguided. If this was the case, Bixi and Geele have a close relationship and Somalia ain't like the Ethiopian Ciise situation as anyone can military interfere in its internal affairs. So far there is no evidence that Geele has thrown his full weight behind Somaliland or that they have a need for Ciise intervention. Let us keep it real, if that was the case, one would see Djiboutian drones etc. helping the Isaaq.

Go ask surre and gaadsn of galbeed who they fought in the 80s. The battles took place in afdheer the Cawlyahan put aal of their defense in afdheer- luuq front and Dir yr yar moved their front inside galbeed where the derg armed them. They ended up loosing everything they owned north of the river where they know skirmish with degodia for the other side of the river near liibaan. They do not help isaaq when they attack an OG subclan in the corner of afdheer but they lose more and more because no isaq will come to their help. About isaaq helping Dir in hiiraan flood that’s a lie the money inwas handed to ugaaska xawaadle and the gudi who were xawaadle. Don’t tell me there not pro Dir when they tell you am Dir from the moment you see them. You’ll never see isaaq cise it samaroon say am dir they all introduce themselves as their clan.

 

[johnsepei5]

Go ask surre and gaadsn of galbeed who they fought in the 80s. The battles took place in afdheer the Cawlyahan put aal of their defense in afdheer- luuq front and Dir yr yar moved their front inside galbeed where the derg armed them. They ended up loosing everything they owned north of the river where they know skirmish with degodia for the other side of the river near liibaan. They do not help isaaq when they attack an OG subclan in the corner of afdheer but they lose more and more because no isaq will come to their help. About isaaq helping Dir in hiiraan flood that’s a lie the money inwas handed to ugaaska xawaadle and the gudi who were xawaadle. Don’t tell me there not pro Dir when they tell you am Dir from the moment you see them. You’ll never see isaaq cise it samaroon say am dir they all introduce themselves as their clan.

Source?

 

[convincation]

The Degoodi, Garremare and Beydisle Hawiye are to their South.

Who are the Garremare? I’ve never heard of them what clan do they fall under. I’ve heard of Beydisle just that they’re gugundhabe but I don’t know much about them either. Do you mind shedding some light on these two clans and their deegaans

 

[Awd]

Go ask surre and gaadsn of galbeed who they fought in the 80s. The battles took place in afdheer the Cawlyahan put aal of their defense in afdheer- luuq front and Dir yr yar moved their front inside galbeed where the derg armed them. They ended up loosing everything they owned north of the river where they know skirmish with degodia for the other side of the river near liibaan. They do not help isaaq when they attack an OG subclan in the corner of afdheer but they lose more and more because no isaq will come to their help. About isaaq helping Dir in hiiraan flood that’s a lie the money inwas handed to ugaaska xawaadle and the gudi who were xawaadle. Don’t tell me there not pro Dir when they tell you am Dir from the moment you see them. You’ll never see isaaq cise it samaroon say am dir they all introduce themselves as their clan.

The reason why the Northern Dir introduce their subclan is the same reason why if you were to ask an MJ or a MX or an OG none of them would say Darood when introducing themselves. The Surre are the only Dir subclan that do not neighbour any other Dir clan so their primary identity is in line with their geographical circumstances. They identify as Dir for the exact same reason the Hawiye in Hararghe and Sitti claim Hawiye and not necessarily Karanle or Gugundhabe. The Darood who live in Djibouti refer to themselves as Darood and not their subclans because of the very small numbers of Darood in Djibouti. Its the same everywhere.