HEAR ME OUT: The real injustices

[pirater]

The real injustice is how Arabs brought somali bantus and forcefully took the most fertile somali land. Somali people really lost so much potential. Somalis really just gave up those rivers. Why didn't they do something. and then on top of that somali bantus still own the land that the Arabs took from somali people. We lost so much and they still own it. I kinda vote we confiscate some of the land since it is our ancestral land. This is the real injustice. how could Arabs really take the most fertile Somali land and force bantus to work for them on somali land. this breaks my heart

 

[repo]

Nobody took anything, Somalis were never farmers. They followed their camel around for pasture. Has there ever been a time where you people have not blamed others for the misery you put yourselves in? Keep Bantus out of your mouth and focus on fixing the only failed state in the world.

 

[Shimbiris]

What the hell are you talking about? That land was always controlled by Somalis (not Arabs) like the Geledi or the Silcis. Do you see any Arabs whipping or shackling these Madow folks in the south:

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And Somalis are still the majority in these areas today despite all the alarmism around reer Madowweyne.

Nobody took anything, Somalis were never farmers. They followed their camel around for pasture. Has there ever been a time where you people have not blamed others for the misery you put yourselves in? Keep Bantus out of your mouth and focus on fixing the only failed state in the world.

And what the hell are you talking about? Somalis have always been familiar with farming. Even the reconstructed "Proto-Somali" language from over 1,500 years ago clearly has an agricultural vocabulary with words for various grains, for plowing, for "farm" and so forth. And you always saw in every region of Somaliweyn that was arable a certain segment of the Somali population who farmed or practiced agro-pastoralism. Whether this was in the more fertile areas of the northwest and in the riverine south where you have entire subclans that were only dedicated to farming or even the historically extremely arid northeast like Bari:

Of a total population of 82,653 for the Mijertein region, 59,554 are pastoralist, 5,297 agriculturalist-pastoralist, 920 sedentary cultivators, 9,692 fishermen and sailors, and 3,097 merchants. - Peoples of the Horn of Africa: Somali, Afar and Saho

Somalis were not historically strict nomads and some segment of the population (in some areas a very significant segment) did adopt farming where arable land was available.

 

[pirater]

What the hell are you talking about? That land was always controlled by Somalis (not Arabs) like the Geledi or the Silcis. Do you see any Arabs whipping or shackling these Madow folks in the south:

And Somalis are still the majority in these areas today despite all the alarmism around reer Madowweyne.



And what the hell are you talking about? Somalis have always been familiar with farming. Even the reconstructed "Proto-Somali" language from over 1,500 years ago clearly has an agricultural vocabulary with words for various grains, for plowing, for "farm" and so forth. And you always saw in every region of Somaliweyn that was arable a certain segment of the Somali population who farmed or practiced agro-pastoralist. Whether this was in the northwest, in the riverine south or even the historically extremely arid northeast like Bari:

Of a total population of 82,653 for the Mijertein region, 59,554 are pastoralist, 5,297 agriculturalist-pastoralist, 920 sedentary cultivators, 9,692 fishermen and sailors, and 3,097 merchants. - Peoples of the Horn of Africa: Somali, Afar and Saho

Somalis were not historically strict nomads and some segment of the population (in some areas a very significant segment) did adopt farming where arable land was available.

I assumed Arabs controlled these regions when they brought the slaves. Could you inform me on whether or not the geledi and Silcis still control the Rivers and the land there

*NVM you answered the question*

 

[Shimbiris]

I assumed Arabs controlled these regions when they brought the slaves. Could you inform me on whether or not the geledi and Silcis still control the Rivers and the land there

Nope. It was always controlled by Somalis. You can try to argue there was some Arab influence in the coastal towns like Xamar at certain times but none whatsoever in the interior where groups like the Ajuran and later the Geledi dominated. These groups acquired slaves from the ports, some of which they exerted a strong influence over or directly used as though it were their own like with the Geledi and Barawe at various points. They then put these slaves to work on plantations. Overtime some escaped and formed their own riverine communities or in some cases were allowed to do this by the local Somalis who adopted a sort of serfdom-like arrangement with them.