Herodotus on Proto-Somalis (Macrobians)

[Khaem]

 

[Somali Saayid]

Noble Marcobian Aryan Salafi Pure Sunni Brothers and Sisters.

 

[Somali Saayid]

Somalia should change it's name to the Republic of Macrobia. and Somalis should be called Macrobians.

 

[Khaem]

Noble Marcobian Aryan Salafi Pure Sunni Brothers and Sisters.

Truly the peak of our great race

 

[Garaad diinle]

These macrobians which is greek meaning long lived were most likely not somalis but north sudanese or meroe. Somalis where called troglodyte which means cave dwellers but even then greeks called other non somali troglodyte so somalis doesn't have a monopoly on this name either.

 

[Khaem]

These macrobians which is greek meaning long lived were most likely not somalis but north sudanese or meroe. Somalis where called troglodyte which means cave dwellers but even then greeks called other non somali troglodyte so somalis doesn't have a monopoly on this name either.

@Garaad diinle Slide tackles my Hopes and dreams (90+6)

 

[Garaad diinle]

@Garaad diinle Slide tackles my Hopes and dreams (90+6)

Kkkkkk this is the somali version of santa isn't real. I also use to think that macrobians were somalis getting my information from wikipedia until i did some reading and found out that it was north sudanese. Here is a text that talks about it.

 

[niggaibnh]

Kkkkkk this is the somali version of santa isn't real. I also use to think that macrobians were somalis getting my information from wikipedia until i did some reading and found out that it was north sudanese. Here is a text that talks about it.

According to historian they believe the empire was modern somaliland hence why they said it’s proto somali

Think about it
The Greek knew about Nubians so why would he call them Macrobian?

If you look at the map
Macrobian is aimed at somewhere in the coast next to Yemen

 

[Garaad diinle]

According to historian they believe the empire was modern somaliland hence why they said it’s proto somali

Think about it
The Greek knew about Nubians so why would he call them Macrobian?

View attachment 260080
If you look at the map
Macrobian is aimed at somewhere in the coast next to Yemen

First let me just acknowledge that that the description of the macrobians fits well with the somalis simply because they were pastoralist and most likely cushitics so i can see where the confusion came from. That being said the text was writing by herodotus and i only relate what i read from him.

When cambyses conquered egypt he planed for a war against ammonians who i think were found in siwa, carthaginians who were found in modern day tunis but most likely stretched into libya and macrobians south of egypt. The macrobians were in close proximity to these location and if it really were somali cambyses would've needed to cross the nubians and the habashis to come to northern somalia. Well anyway i know i'm not gonna convince everyone here and i'm not planning too but just saying this for these who's willing to do more research on it.

 

[Hamzza]

These macrobians which is greek meaning long lived were most likely not somalis but north sudanese or meroe. Somalis where called troglodyte which means cave dwellers but even then greeks called other non somali troglodyte so somalis doesn't have a monopoly on this name either.

I was cooked in this thread for saying Somalia was inhabited by cave dwelling Troglodytes

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/axum-invasion-of-yemen.136322/page-3#post-3385499

 

[Garaad diinle]

I was cooked in this thread for saying Somalia was inhabited by cave dwelling Troglodytes

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/axum-invasion-of-yemen.136322/page-3#post-3385499

Well the troglodyte that were said to have lived in somali were somalis either way and have been mention as far back as alexander of macedonia if i recall correctly. There were troglodyte in libya sudan eritria and somalia. The ones in somalia were described as follows.

They were called troglodyte or cave dwellers because of the houses that look like caves which were guri somali. How can they be nomadic yet live in caves?

Somali guri.

I'm not sure about that it says that the building is found in the ogaden furthermore the building is also drawn in a german account of a somali village. I think tafferi is in aw bare.

Mitirkubbe is made out of alwaax while sar is a building made out of stone. I know about mundul but i always called it a round carish.

Sahelaian guri

Chad really should have joined in Somalia's place. And you are correct. Chadian Arabs are very much a cultural extension of the Arabized Nubians/Cushites of Sudan. They even use the same mat-tents Somali nomads do and histrorically dressed in the white tobes our ancestors and those of various Ethiopians, Xabashis included, used to:

Baqqara Arabs, who are quite predominant in Chad are also quite common in Sudan. And the cool thing about those chaps is that they were historically cattle pastoralists who also rode their cattle (hence the name "Baqqara") which seems to be a very ancient Cushitic practice depicted even in cave paintings in Somalia:

Sahelian culture.

I think a segment of Sahelian Arab tribes carry frequencies of Cushitic ancestry that is proto-Somali specific in signature composition, rather than Ethiopian and Northern Cushitic derived genetic autosomal associated pulse radiation.

Upon doing some G25 tool-use, trying to inform myself by satiating my curiosity, I found out that the Messiria Arabs exclusively prefer Somali samples, totally reject other related peoples of the East Africa in place of that explicit Cushitic ancestry. One thing to note is that we know Massalit peoples carry arguably E-V32 to similar heights as Somalis, in the same vein through speculative extrapolations, parts of the Baggara Arab tribe structure can house E-V32 and/or E1b1b haplogroup diversity we lost through founder-effect/bottleneck, something that relates directly to a point of divergence not long before migration to the Horn of Africa.

This lends stronger credence to the idea that the ancestral sub-clade of ours, traces back to fairly recent time on a relative temporal ancient stage to the geographic range of the Nile-Valley, as we have touched upon earlier. I mean, how else are we going to explain this similarity among ethnically and traditionally different peoples practicing similar things:

Chadian Arabs:

Somalis:

Note that in both cases, only women are setting up these mobile huts.

The same Arabs doing the same Cushitic practice of cutting hair of small female children:

Somali:

Including Beja for good measure:

This cutting of hair practice on young girls is a Cushitic practice, yet we see Baggara Arabs in the Chadian interior retaining the similar traditions, all the way down to setting up domed huts that look like this as well:

It’s interesting, indeed. I wish there were serious academic ethnographic works done on this Cushitic thing on comparative measure on the broader Sahelian belt, whatever we have in common should elucidate a better picture of the ancient times, and definitely add to our knowledge of our past. What we need are several data sources, chiefly the genetics, together with a mix of multidisciplinary anthropological interpretation by observed lifeways. I have some genetic points I want to propose, that might or might not relate to this stuff, undoubtedly it ties to the broader region in another way. That is for another thread, for another time.

 

[Odious Delirium]

Kkkkkk this is the somali version of santa isn't real. I also use to think that macrobians were somalis getting my information from wikipedia until i did some reading and found out that it was north sudanese. Here is a text that talks about it.

So these noble macrobian folk are basically like the Ghanaians not actually being related to the empire of Ghana

 

[Garaad diinle]

So these noble macrobian folk are basically like the Ghanaians not actually being related to the empire of Ghana View attachment 260134

Dayum kkkkkk spot on. How do you come up with these analogies kkkkkk.

 

[The alchemist]

Well the troglodyte that were said to have lived in somali were somalis either way and have been mention as far back as alexander of macedonia if i recall correctly. There were troglodyte in libya sudan eritria and somalia. The ones in somalia were described as follows.

They were called troglodyte or cave dwellers because of the houses that look like caves which were guri somali. How can they be nomadic yet live in caves?

Somali guri.



Sahelaian guri



Sahelian culture.

Cave-dwelling troglodyte was a pejorative toward the Beja on the Eastern Desert that lived in the Read Sea Hills. If my recollection is right.

 

[Garaad diinle]

Cave-dwelling troglodyte was a pejorative toward the Beja on the Eastern Desert that lived in the Read Sea Hills. If my recollection is right.

Not only beja but it also included these who live on the horn of africa. Agatharchus of cnidus who wrote the text is said to have visited the horn of africa and wrote about it. Stabo another greek historian who also quoted agatharchus also called the inhabitants of the horn troglodyte.

 

[The alchemist]

Not only beja but it also included these who live on the horn of africa. Agatharchus of cnidus who wrote the text is said to have visited the horn of africa and wrote about it. Stabo another greek historian who also quoted agatharchus also called the inhabitants of the horn troglodyte.

I understand the word troglodyte was used broadly as a pejorative for the Cushites on the eastern side, similar to Barbaroi. The cave-dwelling part in particular might refer to a living phenomenon in the Eastern Desert mountainous hills, inhabited by the Blemmyes/Bejas.

There are also historical inaccuracies with ideologically projecting value judgments on enemies. The Bejas likely never dwelled in caves (they might have used caves or dug spaces as I have seen it somewhere but that was not a living space) but it is more exotic to write about extremes adding fictive elements that exaggerate the truth.

 

[Garaad diinle]

I understand the word troglodyte was used broadly as a pejorative for the Cushites on the eastern side, similar to Barbaroi. The cave-dwelling part in particular might refer to a living phenomenon in the Eastern Desert mountainous hills, inhabited by the Blemmyes/Bejas.

There are also historical inaccuracies with ideologically projecting value judgments on enemies. The Bejas likely never dwelled in caves (they might have used caves or dug spaces as I have seen it somewhere but that was not a living space) but it is more exotic to write about extremes adding fictive elements that exaggerate the truth.

I explained here where cave dwellers nick name originate from.

They were called troglodyte or cave dwellers because of the houses that look like caves which were guri somali. How can they be nomadic yet live in caves?

These houses do look like caves and they're also found in the sahelian area even beja have similar nomadic houses that looks like ours. Occam's razor this is the most likely explanation.

Somali guri.

Beja guri.

 

[The alchemist]

I explained here where cave dwellers nick name originate from.



These houses do look like caves and occam's razor this is the most likely explanation.

That's the point, they were likely not living in caves. Although let's not be too formulaic, not everything was strictly nomadic, reality was a bit complex. For example, the Bejas had centers and there was a kingdom that existed between Nubia and Egypt for a couple of centuries, that eventually got sandwiched by both sides with the help of the Greco-Romans. And let's not even go into the early civilization of the region and what types of people they were background-wise.

It's ancient propaganda. I doubt they mistook a hut for a cave, man. But I swear I have seen large boulders or small mountains with carved spaces in them. I will post it here if I come across it. Did this mean they were cave-dwellers? No. It's Greco-Roman BS. The meaning they were trying to convey was a level of lack of sophistication, general primitivity. Nonsense, really. We're not supposed to take it at face value.