digaagjecel
SSpots starting point guard
Can you guys breakdown the 4.5. I know the 4 big tribes get 1 and the minority get .5. But who is included in the .5? I’ve been researching about different clans recently.
How does the 4.5 work?
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All the langaabs and the outcast clans and Madowweyne are 0.5.
0.5 are probably 1/4 of Somalia. They rightfully deserve 1/4 of the seats.
I am working closely with foreign groups to bring 0.5 rule to Somalia where they are subservient to the West and makes Somalia a vassal state. Or 0.5 becoming political spoilers. We will see if it works. If it happens, know that I am responsible.
0.5 are probably 1/4 of Somalia. They rightfully deserve 1/4 of the seats.
I am working closely with foreign groups to bring 0.5 rule to Somalia where they are subservient to the West and makes Somalia a vassal state. Or 0.5 becoming political spoilers. We will see if it works. If it happens, know that I am responsible.
digaagjecel
SSpots starting point guard
Quick question if you remove issaq from dir in 4.5 wouldn’t dir be langaab? Also wouldn’t Madowweyne be bigger than them.
Are the 0.5s 25% of the population. What estimated percentage would you give them?
Langaab means short lineage, not small population. For example, Arab Salaax is langaab and cadcad are also langaab. However, clans smaller than Arab Salaax and cadcad like the microscopic Geri Kombe and Ayub are landheere. Dir are the most landheer clan. They have a long lineage, longer than anyone. Madowweyne are definently larger than Dir. They are the largest clan in Somalia after D&M.
25% seems right. There are millions of 0.5
digaagjecel
SSpots starting point guard
I could’ve sworn people insulted eachother using langaab.
what does 0.5s include. Which groups.
They use it incorrectly.
2002 article. However I don't think they are 1/3.
A study on minorities in Somalia - Somalia
English Analysis on Somalia; published on 01 Aug 2002 by OCHA
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digaagjecel
SSpots starting point guard
Are clans like ajuran, garre, xawaadle, and degodia 0.5s?They use it incorrectly.
2002 article. However I don't think they are 1/3.
.A study on minorities in Somalia - Somalia
English Analysis on Somalia; published on 01 Aug 2002 by OCHA
Ajuran is 0.5. Don't know where Garre falls but they are not 4.0 in lineage. They probably falsely claim Hawiye like Hawadle and Degodiya. Hawiye doesn't hide their sheegatos like the other clans, who have been caught red-handed by 23andme.
Hawadle is Hawiye only politically. They have more seats and representation in Hawiye then the so called “eldest” of Hawiye Murosade.
Yes they are Hawiye culturally and politically but not by lineage. They descend from Mayle Samaale, brother of Irir Samaale and Gardheere Samaale (Degodiya) according to abtirsi.com. It doesn't matter though. It's been proven Somali clans are mostly fake anyway and mixed with random people with random lineages. Those Samaale brothers are likely not even real people but bedtime stories.
Four major clans Hawiye, Darood, Dir, D&M are all awarded 1 point meaning 61 seats distributed along their own sub clans. The 0.5 include all other unrelated minorities awarding them 31 seats of which they should figure out how to share among themselves
The 275 seat assembly of 4.5 gives representation in that order for elections, which isn't really an election but a selection because 275 corrupt & opportunistic MP's often times disconnected from their own tribes or have no genuine unifying leadership that speaks for their constituents get to vote on behalf of 15 million people.
This arrangement has been very harmful to the progress of Somalia for 2 decades and made it very easy to manipulate appointment of presidents, gov officials, petitions and approved laws. It has also exasperate a culture of bribery & corruption with major clans such as Hawiye & Darood having total dominance over the government and call all the shots.
In particular certain sub clans such as Abgaal & HG from the Hawyie, Marjeerteen & Marehaan of the Darood usually run for the top seat and often time (not always) hold an unspoken duopoly over Presidency as well as the Prime Ministry. The rest major clans are mere second fiddlers as they lack foreign backers to bribe MP's and promote their clan's interests.
This system impedes any form of collective national unity that transcends myopic clan interests with every MP being mere vessel for foreigners using tribal connections to get appointed and thus enjoy monetary benefits from UN and selling his vote for the highest bidder.
I have no idea why would the average citizen hold on to this dysfunctional system which proved to be not working. For far too long Somalia has been hostage to these self serving treacherous parasites that live off our country's instability.
I am glad 1M1V is coming along to end this shit show.
The 275 seat assembly of 4.5 gives representation in that order for elections, which isn't really an election but a selection because 275 corrupt & opportunistic MP's often times disconnected from their own tribes or have no genuine unifying leadership that speaks for their constituents get to vote on behalf of 15 million people.
This arrangement has been very harmful to the progress of Somalia for 2 decades and made it very easy to manipulate appointment of presidents, gov officials, petitions and approved laws. It has also exasperate a culture of bribery & corruption with major clans such as Hawiye & Darood having total dominance over the government and call all the shots.
In particular certain sub clans such as Abgaal & HG from the Hawyie, Marjeerteen & Marehaan of the Darood usually run for the top seat and often time (not always) hold an unspoken duopoly over Presidency as well as the Prime Ministry. The rest major clans are mere second fiddlers as they lack foreign backers to bribe MP's and promote their clan's interests.
This system impedes any form of collective national unity that transcends myopic clan interests with every MP being mere vessel for foreigners using tribal connections to get appointed and thus enjoy monetary benefits from UN and selling his vote for the highest bidder.
I have no idea why would the average citizen hold on to this dysfunctional system which proved to be not working. For far too long Somalia has been hostage to these self serving treacherous parasites that live off our country's instability.
I am glad 1M1V is coming along to end this shit show.
digaagjecel
SSpots starting point guard
I think I get the basics of it but this definitely isn’t democracy in any way.
How does Dir have longer lineage than Hawiye? You do know abtirsi wise we are older than them
Hawiye Irir Samaale
Dir Aji Irir Samaale
Colonials divided Somalis into Hawiye, Aji (Dir, Darod and Isaaq) and RX. RX is said to have arrived after 15th century escaping Harar.
Why does isaaq even get any seats?
Arent they activley trying to seccede
Arent they activley trying to seccede
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there are moderate unionists in the north. You would be very low iq to push them away. It would put a nail in the coffin for somalia
They're already pushed away idk what they're doing in that hellhole when they can do a lot back in their home country just look at former minister Beyle is back in his home serving his people instead of wasting his time in Xamar
