How to gain peace in Northern Somalia.
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Oh shit this is the former president of puntland
'Puntland was principally a loose defence--political association of kindred like-minded clans/regions to serve as a bulwark against external threats (Somaliland) until such time as the Somali State would be resurrected and able to defend its territory from internal and external threats. Once the Somali State was back on its feet and able to perform its national functions, the need of the SSC regions for Puntland’s protection, or to remain part of it, would have became redundant. Contrary to what some claim, the Puntland regional/clan association was never meant to be a permanent binding act of union akin to the act of union between British Somaliland and Italian Somaliland of July 1960. Such interpretation as some would have it now is contrary to the position of the SSC people at the time.'
Apparently the inclusion of SSC into Puntland was a temporary marriage of convenience
Apparently the inclusion of SSC into Puntland was a temporary marriage of convenience
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Truthfulness so often goes with ruthlessness
'Puntland was principally a loose defence--political association of kindred like-minded clans/regions to serve as a bulwark against external threats (Somaliland) until such time as the Somali State would be resurrected and able to defend its territory from internal and external threats. Once the Somali State was back on its feet and able to perform its national functions, the need of the SSC regions for Puntland’s protection, or to remain part of it, would have became redundant. Contrary to what some claim, the Puntland regional/clan association was never meant to be a permanent binding act of union akin to the act of union between British Somaliland and Italian Somaliland of July 1960. Such interpretation as some would have it now is contrary to the position of the SSC people at the time.'
Apparently the inclusion of SSC into Puntland was a temporary marriage of convenience
Abdalla I sense that Puntland( Bari, Nugal and Northern Mudug) is forgoing their claim on Sool and Eastern Sanaag?
Just remember abeeso marka far loo taago, fanaxda ayey u boodaa. If Puntland decides to withdraw to colonial borders, that Puts SL just right outside the gates of Garowe in place called Yoocada.
Just how comfortable is one with having SL militia parked right outside Puntland capital?
Somaliland is willing to pay a higher price for these dusty border towns than Puntland is. The delusional crowd in Hargeisa thinks their worship of former colonial borders will get them recognized, but the world has shown that nobody is interested in Somaliland or its 5 days of statehood. Fighting over dusty border towns occupied by a lineage group with divided loyalties is a waste of time, but the khat chewers would rather do that then focus on their much more pressing problems, like a collapsing economy and increased clan tensions amongst themselves.
The economy of Somaliland is not collapsing its high inflation due to mobile money. It is currently being worked on.
Secondly, we both know these dusty villages matter. If Somaliland secures the border with or without recognition its secured the collective populace of Somaliland from West to east.
It secures it against disadents and rebellion.
Slow march towards recognition.
Next stage is the Oil and development stage.
Secondly, we both know these dusty villages matter. If Somaliland secures the border with or without recognition its secured the collective populace of Somaliland from West to east.
It secures it against disadents and rebellion.
Slow march towards recognition.
Next stage is the Oil and development stage.
President Biixi made a smart move, attack puntland while farmaajo is in town, get a military reaction from puntland and then get an international awareness to Somaliland independence claim. Your ass got ignored and maintained..
Having concluded a research through multiple sources such as odayaal and ex politicians in to why puntland doesn't take a military action against Somaliland . I have come to find out that a military against isaaq is non beneficial for Somalia's dismissive move against somalilands secessionist commitments and her constant "Somalia hates us propaganda" a war will only further their people brainwashing methods . So you see going to war with Somaliland is infact counterproductive to what is planned for Somaliland..which is to cut it in to 2 parts federally.
As I am very much wished Somaliland was taught a military lesson, I for the very first time understand why puntland never touches Somaliland. From my understanding puntland refrains anything that will get Somaliland v Somalia provocations an international awareness.
To give you guys an example. Muuse biixi's first reaction on the Tukaraq situation. He held a press conference on his return from Addis Ababa. Check it out in that video he addresses the situation by blaming it on SOMALIA Farmaajo and the Mogadishu admin. Not once does he mention puntland majeerteen garowe or gaas ..Because by skipping them and involving Somalia it makes the situation Somalia v Somaliland which plays it in to their hands. From what I am being told their is a whole different game playing under the table that we are not aware of. Somalilands last reasonable action to get international awareness to their claims as Somaliland v Somalia is through war where the international bodies get involved and come to the conclusion that independence is required to solve this situation. Very much in the case of Eritrea and South Sudan and very much what Kurdistan is currently doing..
The ruling Isaaq group need a war desperately yet they can't afford a full scale war into puntland..for various reasons.
1) they don't inhabit the region's tht border puntland or in their political minds "Somalia, that other country)
2)the non isaaq population in the claimed lands do not support the secessonist dreams.
3)they don't have weapons that are more effective or advanced than the ones held by the others.
4) on the political scale and on the international stage they are behind far behind than either Mogadishu or garowe..
5) isaaq themselves are not all onboard the ictiraaf train. Which not only divide and weaker them internally but the Hargeysa team looses that drive and momentum that teaches their youth about the big bad wolf next door otherwise known as SOMALIA..
In short Somaliland needs to provoke Somalia into a battle through puntland and Somalia needs to ignore Somaliland through puntland.
Puntland claims sool purely to dismiss Somalilands claim for international recognition. No other reason. Reer dhulbahante are bit like habar gidir ..unruly fragmented and quit resentful. therefor it's best for them to form their own backward admin.
Isaaq folks can keep on dreaming about independence aslong as they claim sool and sanaag they are more likely to be part of the Somali federal government that was created by Puntland than to receive independence..
Your sool activities are being led by delusional reer dhulbahante nothing more and nothing less... the only place that somaliland flag flies in all that land you claim are secret parts in laascaanood, no where else..and it sure isnt thanks to isaaq tanks and war planes..
Having concluded a research through multiple sources such as odayaal and ex politicians in to why puntland doesn't take a military action against Somaliland . I have come to find out that a military against isaaq is non beneficial for Somalia's dismissive move against somalilands secessionist commitments and her constant "Somalia hates us propaganda" a war will only further their people brainwashing methods . So you see going to war with Somaliland is infact counterproductive to what is planned for Somaliland..which is to cut it in to 2 parts federally.
As I am very much wished Somaliland was taught a military lesson, I for the very first time understand why puntland never touches Somaliland. From my understanding puntland refrains anything that will get Somaliland v Somalia provocations an international awareness.
To give you guys an example. Muuse biixi's first reaction on the Tukaraq situation. He held a press conference on his return from Addis Ababa. Check it out in that video he addresses the situation by blaming it on SOMALIA Farmaajo and the Mogadishu admin. Not once does he mention puntland majeerteen garowe or gaas ..Because by skipping them and involving Somalia it makes the situation Somalia v Somaliland which plays it in to their hands. From what I am being told their is a whole different game playing under the table that we are not aware of. Somalilands last reasonable action to get international awareness to their claims as Somaliland v Somalia is through war where the international bodies get involved and come to the conclusion that independence is required to solve this situation. Very much in the case of Eritrea and South Sudan and very much what Kurdistan is currently doing..
The ruling Isaaq group need a war desperately yet they can't afford a full scale war into puntland..for various reasons.
1) they don't inhabit the region's tht border puntland or in their political minds "Somalia, that other country)
2)the non isaaq population in the claimed lands do not support the secessonist dreams.
3)they don't have weapons that are more effective or advanced than the ones held by the others.
4) on the political scale and on the international stage they are behind far behind than either Mogadishu or garowe..
5) isaaq themselves are not all onboard the ictiraaf train. Which not only divide and weaker them internally but the Hargeysa team looses that drive and momentum that teaches their youth about the big bad wolf next door otherwise known as SOMALIA..
In short Somaliland needs to provoke Somalia into a battle through puntland and Somalia needs to ignore Somaliland through puntland.
Puntland claims sool purely to dismiss Somalilands claim for international recognition. No other reason. Reer dhulbahante are bit like habar gidir ..unruly fragmented and quit resentful. therefor it's best for them to form their own backward admin.
Isaaq folks can keep on dreaming about independence aslong as they claim sool and sanaag they are more likely to be part of the Somali federal government that was created by Puntland than to receive independence..
Your sool activities are being led by delusional reer dhulbahante nothing more and nothing less... the only place that somaliland flag flies in all that land you claim are secret parts in laascaanood, no where else..and it sure isnt thanks to isaaq tanks and war planes..
Embarrassing that you are working for the same group which praises the people your grandfathers fought against.
man wrote an essay youwill see the tactic will work muse bixi just needs to keep provoking them by capturing all of ssc and then you will see international community getting iinvolved keep going mujahid bixi
What? ?? I am working for who??
do these people you are talking about require a notice period..???
That's the thing, it's not as straightforward as you make it out to be..if it was you would control all of sool..but you don't because it' all a web of alliances..one qabiil can not overpower another qabiil in Somalia.. Because once it turns in to qabiil it's gets really complicated...Which it is in this case..
As of today Somaliland politics is really bad, you can tell by the current situation amongst reer isaaq..muuse biixi is damaging the Somaliland brand..
Little while ago Somaliland would sit in front of Somalia in Turkey and demand shit..that's no longer the case, little while ago Somalia was internally and internationally weak..and Somaliland was United and going the right direction..since then Somalia has matured and Somaliland has fragmented..
Mogadishu politics is way way ahead in terms of standards and sophistication..hargeysa is led by a man with blood on his hands that's despised not in Somalia but in Somaliland..
Somaliland will be a federal region in very short time..during farmaajos time sool and sanaag will form a state and once that happens isaaq will get an option to either form one federal state or portion in to two one of isaaq only and one of some isaaq and reer awdal..
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What? ?? I am working for who??
do these people you are talking about require a notice period..???
That's the thing, it's not as straightforward as you make it out to be..if it was you would control all of sool..but you don't because it' all a web of alliances..one qabiil can not overpower another qabiil in Somalia.. Because once it turns in to qabiil it's gets really complicated...Which it is in this case..
As of today Somaliland politics is really bad, you can tell by the current situation amongst reer isaaq..muuse biixi is damaging the Somaliland brand..
Little while ago Somaliland would sit in front of Somalia in Turkey and demand shit..that's no longer the case, little while ago Somalia was internally and internationally weak..and Somaliland was United and going the right direction..since then Somalia has matured and Somaliland has fragmented..
Mogadishu politics is way way ahead in terms of standards and sophistication..hargeysa is led by a man with blood on his hands that's despised not in Somalia but in Somaliland..
Somaliland will be a federal region in very short time..during farmaajos time sool and sanaag will form a state and once that happens isaaq will get an option to either form one federal state or portion in to two one of isaaq only and one of some isaaq and reer awdal..
calaacal badanaa. speaking of a man with blood on his hands, wasnt ur little gobol's governor abdulahi yusuf a war lord and then later on a man who was slapped around by the same xabashi he brought into somalia to attack hawiye?
SL will continue to secure its borders, the little gobol of punaniland has shown its no match for SL machine
I am just giving you an inside information of how things are evolving...
My adeer, was in a position of leadership in time of warlords and guns..that time has passed.. Cabdulahi yusuf aun faroole etc etc would have reacted to the tukaraq issue but khayre and farmaajo and gaas are playing a different game..it's not a matter of army v army but more of white collar politics..
Somaliland is quickly loosing all its bargaining chips and this situation is not helping..
What happened to the Somali air deal between Somaliland and Somalia??...do you hear anybody talking about it??
Politically Mogadishu is way ahead ..this is not a matter of Puntland and Somaliland warring..and it' not a matter of who is stronger..but politics played by all three and as of this moment Somaliland is loosing..
With the appointment of muuse biixi You lost half isaaq and reer awdal in the Somaliland project..that's a fact
You are currently loosing dhulbahante all together and that laascaaood town which was in reality the only dhulbahante deegaan in Somaliland hands can switch hands any time..the main dhulbahante miliia and leaders have already declared your endeavours bullshit.
The Intra-isaaq wars are the least of your problems..
Put your emotions aside and see your true self reflection..I haven't got anything against isaaq but I am against the ictiraaf..I used be to against it because of dhulbahante mainly..now I am against it because reer awdal and lots of isaaq don' support it.
My adeer, was in a position of leadership in time of warlords and guns..that time has passed.. Cabdulahi yusuf aun faroole etc etc would have reacted to the tukaraq issue but khayre and farmaajo and gaas are playing a different game..it's not a matter of army v army but more of white collar politics..
Somaliland is quickly loosing all its bargaining chips and this situation is not helping..
What happened to the Somali air deal between Somaliland and Somalia??...do you hear anybody talking about it??
Politically Mogadishu is way ahead ..this is not a matter of Puntland and Somaliland warring..and it' not a matter of who is stronger..but politics played by all three and as of this moment Somaliland is loosing..
With the appointment of muuse biixi You lost half isaaq and reer awdal in the Somaliland project..that's a fact
You are currently loosing dhulbahante all together and that laascaaood town which was in reality the only dhulbahante deegaan in Somaliland hands can switch hands any time..the main dhulbahante miliia and leaders have already declared your endeavours bullshit.
The Intra-isaaq wars are the least of your problems..
Put your emotions aside and see your true self reflection..I haven't got anything against isaaq but I am against the ictiraaf..I used be to against it because of dhulbahante mainly..now I am against it because reer awdal and lots of isaaq don' support it.
The guy is writing essays because he his talking Sh/t as usual. What makes duriyada so successful is because they live in reality:
1. Somaliland is expanding to its border 60 km from garowe.
2. Ethiopia, Somaliland and now UAE have a security arrangement that protect Somaliland from external threats
3. Darood is collapsing around: in Ethiopia, Gedo, Sool etc
4. Hawiye is getting stronger: hobyo port will be the death of Bosaso port.
5. United Somaliland means oil and gas exploration can finish. Great results thus far as stated by the minister
6. Somaliland will next push on East sanag after Sool. Artillery in range of both bosaso and garowe giving Somaliland permant leverage.
This is the reality jabarti shoe shiners
1. Somaliland is expanding to its border 60 km from garowe.
2. Ethiopia, Somaliland and now UAE have a security arrangement that protect Somaliland from external threats
3. Darood is collapsing around: in Ethiopia, Gedo, Sool etc
4. Hawiye is getting stronger: hobyo port will be the death of Bosaso port.
5. United Somaliland means oil and gas exploration can finish. Great results thus far as stated by the minister
6. Somaliland will next push on East sanag after Sool. Artillery in range of both bosaso and garowe giving Somaliland permant leverage.
This is the reality jabarti shoe shiners
You can live in your perpetual wet dream however, history has not been kind to you, neither has geography nor is reality.
Your a bit%) that lives between two strong men...one greentree you have is you will get fu/%Ed the only question is by which one first.
You can't even free a village 60 km from your capital. GTFOH.
You joke.
Your a bit%) that lives between two strong men...one greentree you have is you will get fu/%Ed the only question is by which one first.
You can't even free a village 60 km from your capital. GTFOH.
You joke.
Darrooods days are done time for isaaq to shine i call for darood genocide and f*ck all there women i am already banging multiple mj s soon gonna impregnate all your sisters
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I got to give it to the MJ crew they sure know how to spin things. The gentleman who goes by @whitehartlane was only a mere week ago predicting the grand counterattack of PL that would result in the "liberation" of Sool and subsequent collapse of SL, but alas he has come to realize after weeks of no response from our pirate neighbors the rumored inherent cowardliness of his clan familia isn't something baseless but a fact in reality and now he has come here to save face by writing an essay of some 4d chess at play here by the AMISOM protectorate . Waligood majerteen faan iyo booto waa lagu yaqaane. This is nothing new.
No my dear delusional country man..this is the reality backed up by your 2nd most decorated politician in active..a current member of jeegaanta
Watch "Faysal c Warabee"Somaliland Dowlad ma'ahan ee waa Maamul Goboleed Burco aan dhaafsisanayn"!!!." on YouTube
Your money does not work east of burco
Not even ceerigaabo..the Somalia shilling used in puntland is used in all of sanaag and sool. Sool and majority sanaag are both economically linked to puntland..
You have one outdated airport. Just like somalia of msb your government doesn't extend outside of Hargeysa.
The siilaanyo years set you guys back at least 10 years. Muuse biixi is even worser..
Duriyada is doing rather shit..you have so many internal problems it'
Mindboggeling..
Don't tell me how daroods in neighbouring countries are doing tell me why If duuuriyada is soo successful why haven't you secured your fantasy borders in nearly 30 years..don't tell me, you guys were playing the good neighbours...
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