How will Somalia navigate the new political landscape? Allies? Alliances? Diplomacy?

Idilinaa

(Graduated)
Now that Donald Trump has won the presidency , i think it will be good opportunity to analyze or predict how Somalia will fare and what should be the logical move

In case some of you don't remember on my Greater Isreal thread, i sourced Somalia's current day predicament and blunder in their alignments and dependencies. Yes its because of Ethiopia, Traitors and their foreign allies destabilization efforts , but it is also because we didn't have real allies at the time, that could either aid or help defend us and those we did depend on were unreliable and brought with them more intrusions and conditions.

The Kacaan government was also seen as a threat (not just ICU) by Ethiopia/Isreal and a threat to Soviets ambitions to expand into the red sea , but the US even though they dislked the Kacaan regime preferred it at time over Ethiopia because they were trying to limit Soviet and communist influence in the region, they would switch over to Ethiopia's side in a heartbeat if they re-aligned themselves back with them.

Because before this the United States and Somalias relations deteriorated following the coup in 1969. Somalia went far in beyond to counter and limit US infiltration in the Indian ocean.
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All of them had a problem with Somalia's Islamic leanings and our territorial protectionism btw, for the Soviet we weren't socialist or marxist enough because we didn't fully commit to the ideology in the real sense as we saw it as a tool to develop our economy and was Muslim oriented in our belief system and foreign policy. That's why they switched to Ethiopia's side the minute the Derg took over to profess communism.
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When the Kacaan government collapsed it was golden opportunity by the US to implant their influence in the region and place a puppet government allied with them espousing secular capitalist democratic beliefs and for them to create a military base. The same way that they had done in Korea after the cold war, and throughout Europe and Japan after world war 2. There is a qoute that Walaalwhoops posted of a US army general professing this, i cant find it now though.
For a decade the United States push into Somalia and Indian ocean/red sea was subverted not only by the governments action but also by Somalia's alignment with Soviet. The downfall was in not managing and maneuvering the fall out with Soviet in a good way, which ended up backfiring on us. This is partly also due the fact there was not bigger more powerful ally ship available that could replace and compete with their backing of Ethiopia.
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Same mistake was repeated by the Islamic Courts Union which resulted in their unmaking:
The ICU wanted to discuss and work with the United States that wanted nothing to do with them and held them in contempt, when they should have instead reached out to a powerful enemy adversary of the US to offset them and Ethiopia.

How you trying to work with someone that is constantly threathening you? See this:

Before the US backed ethopian army dismantled the ICU , in this 2006 interview you can see one of the leaders say

''We are perpared to work with them. But without even talking with us for a single moment all we are getting is threats .... What crime have we commited? We are running our country we have created peace and stability in our country. We have never threathened the US. Messages are constantly coming that they will work with other countries to conquer Somalia by force. Our answer is force does not work' if you over power someone that does not mean that somebody will sleep or go away for good''



Iran, Russia and North Korea for example is sustained by their allies that share interests with them, economically and politically. But they also reached self-sufficiency in terms of economic, military and energy sense, especially Iran and Russia, despite being perceived as enemies of the west. There is little they can do to effect them.

Because of our sell out regional leaders. Somalia is perceived as western leaning and they are effectively propped up by them to maintain stay, to our detriment.

Here is how i see the real alignment for Somalia if it follows its Geo-Political interests:

Proven Allies:

- Turkey

- Egypt

- Eritrea


Potential Allies:

- China (with major caution and risk reduction, china is more than likely trying to unload its labor demand on Somalia and exploit our natural resources to aid their their manufacturing ) They are important in counter acting United States/Isreal in the region that work through Ethiopia and they can provide technical assistances that are much needed.

- Iran: (This also comes with a major risk since the Iranian regime wants to spread Shia Islam and they are the biggest destabilizers on the sea, piracy, illegal fishing etc2016 Iranian diplomats and aid agencies was outsted from Somalia for spreading Shi'ite ideology. ) Same reason as China.


Enemies:

- Ethiopia

- Kenya

- UAE

- Isreal

- United States

Towards Ethiopia we should sever all diplomatic and commercial ties with them. Somalia should not recognize the legitimacy of Ethiopia as a state.

Second move is to limit our economic and military dependencies. The Kacaan's regime's goal was to make Somalia self-sufficient , it became so in parts and in other parts it retained military dependencies particularly with US/Soviet. The current day government is wholly dependent on external states.

Decreasing our military dependencies with the help of Turkey can be achieved as they are investing high tech military factories , where we will increase our capacity to manufacture arms, vehicles and so on.
Turkey’s alliance with Qatar, which also has vested interests in Somali politics, further motivates its engagement. Together, Turkey and Qatar are building a regional coalition that includes Somalia to provide political and economic support, countering the influence of the Saudi-UAE/Ethiopia bloc in the Horn of Africa, another battle is happening in Sudan between these two

When it comes to food production and agriculture, Somalia can produce every crop and has large livestock population to provide meat.

We don't have large debt either, or borrowings weighing us down. So we can normalize our economy and owe no conditions attached to loans to follow.

Because we have large energy supplies, we won't be Energy dependent and rely on imports in a few years.

Somalia should also back out of joining EAC. There is no benefit for us to be part of the East African Community, economically nor politically. Most East African nations will side with Ethiopia, they also are actively involved destabilizing efforts in Somalia and Somalia has disputes with Kenya over maritime border
Economically it makes no sense, this would be the equivalent of Norway Joining the EU.
Now. Not understanding that it gives other countries in the block entitlements to our territorial and marine resources and especially the disputed offshore oil.Norway another oil rich maritime nation never entered the EU for similar reasons. The Khat trade flowing into Somalia from Kenya is also going to be hard to prevent.

There is nothing that we need that EAC will provide to us if we are real about it. It's a boneheaded move. Somalia should align themselves towards more East as we have done throughout our history.
 
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Egypt will bribe trump into giving them a free pass to destroy AIDStopia, addis will be in flames and the clintonite AU will be snuffed out of existence. J-reer will be recolonised, modern kenya will be incorporated into somaliweyn proper, im actually serious by the way
 

Idilinaa

(Graduated)
Egypt will bribe trump into giving them a free pass to destroy AIDStopia, addis will be in flames and the clintonite AU will be snuffed out of existence. J-reer will be recolonised, modern kenya will be incorporated into somaliweyn proper, im actually serious by the way

I am for the dissolution of Ethiopia and supporting independent states from within it, but i don't support destroying it or making it go up in flames. It will just lead to a humanitarian crisis and a large refugee population which will impact the region. If Ethiopia was intelligent they would allow for a peaceful secession and disolution, just like Yugoslavia and soviet to prevent further war. But they are stuck with backward feudal state ideology rooted in the middle ages and false entitlements.

Somalia should distance themselves from the rest of Africa except for Egypt and Eritrea which we should maintain alignment. We were the biggest Pan-Africanists in the 70/80s and we aided many African nations and help create peace between nations.

This how it resulted for us:
And other African countries supported Ethiopia against us on the diplomatic front as well in 1977 and 1964. Only Muslim middle eastern/Muslim nations supported us.

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The only country that has recognized Somalia's past support has been Eritrea.

You can also see how this plays out today as well how we come to other African countries to create job opportunities, businesses, help feed them and create work shops to transfer skills. They come to Somalia for a pay check by the US/UN to join missions to undermine Somalia's stability , flood our country with Khat and join terror orgs n mass.

Also there is no reason for Somalia to orient themselves towards other African nations. We are rich in natural resources, so there is really nothing we need from them unlike how the west and the outside world views them.

There is no mutual beneficial relationship we can foster with them.
 
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Idilinaa

(Graduated)
Anyways i'm just giving my thoughts. Share what yall think about it. What are our alignment potentials? and who are our allies? and who are our enemies? that you see
 
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Idilinaa

(Graduated)
I am for the dissolution of Ethiopia and supporting independent states from within it, but i don't support destroying it or making it go up in flames. It will just lead to a humanitarian crisis and a large refugee population which will impact the region. If Ethiopia was intelligent they would allow for a peaceful secession and disolution, just like Yugoslavia and soviet to prevent further war. But they are stuck with backward feudal state ideology rooted in the middle ages and false entitlements.

Somalia should distance themselves from the rest of Africa except for Egypt and Eritrea which we should maintain alignment. We were the biggest Pan-Africanists in the 70/80s and we aided many African nations and help create peace between nations.

This how it resulted for us:


The only country that has recognized Somalia's past support has been Eritrea.

You can also see how this plays out today as well how we come to other African countries to create job opportunities, businesses, help feed them and create work shops to transfer skills. They come to Somalia for a pay check by the US/UN to join missions to undermine Somalia's stability , flood our country with Khat and join terror orgs n mass.

Also there is no reason for Somalia to orient themselves towards other African nations. We are rich in natural resources, so there is really nothing we need from them unlike how the west and the outside world views them.

There is no mutual beneficial relationship we can foster with them.

I also think Somalia , Djibouti, Egypt and Eritrea should create a Red Sea Council an official body for formal inter-parliamentary Red Sea cooperation among Red Sea nations.

Sudan and Yemen are in political disarray atm so their politics is a bit uncertain, but the other 3 countries can lead the way and they can make it political viable option for them to join later on once the political situation in those countries stabilize itself.
 

Idilinaa

(Graduated)
I also think Somalia , Djibouti, Egypt and Eritrea should create a Red Sea Council an official body for formal inter-parliamentary Red Sea cooperation among Red Sea nations.

Sudan and Yemen are in political disarray atm so their politics is a bit uncertain, but the other 3 countries can lead the way and they can make it political viable option for them to join later on once the political situation in those countries stabilize itself.

@EritreanPost_ what do you think of this? Kinda like the Nordic council.

See:

And it seems more viable now than ever.

The Red SEE Alliance: Three Nations Stand Together to Resist Ethiopia's Imperial Ambitions

But we should bar Saudi and UAE out from the alliance because they effectively are active regional de stabilizers.
 
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I am for the dissolution of Ethiopia and supporting independent states from within it
I am for Somali domination of "Ethiopia" and its land
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but i don't support destroying it or making it go up in flames. It will just lead to a humanitarian crisis and a large refugee population which will impact the region.
the ethiopia myth will persist until aids ababa is destroyed and falls in ruin. only then will the myth of ethiopia be fully discredited. if you destroy addis you destroy ethiopia, it's the only part of the country with any economic and political relevance.

the refugee aspect is overrated, ethiopia already has tons of refugees. you don't hear about them because they won't be granted asylum as "ethiopians". the entire area surrounding addis is already a warzone and tigray is decimated and an eritrean playground. I don't even care for any humanitarian crisis anyway f*ck them. depopulation is good. it's already happening in sudan, we went through it, what makes them so special?


as for the main topic, you can't make any predictions until trump announces his cabinet. it's clear that the new american order will be more isolationalist. so expect the foreign aid and war on terror era foreign policies to end. the new power in the north east africa region will be turkey, especially after the maritime deal HSM signed with them. turkey and egypt are both on the same page regarding somalia and in the past trump has been so easily persuaded by both governments through transaction. also no more money for apesom UN xalane NGO trash.
 

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