Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406) talks about somalis

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Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406) Kitab al' Ibar
(about universal history


Al-Muqaddim (Introduction)


P91-92
From the Surrounding Sea, they say, a large and wide Sea flows on the east at 13 deg. north of the equator. It flows a little towards the south,

entering the first zone. Then it flows west within the first zone until it reaches the country of the Abyssinians and the Negroes and Bab al-Mandeb in the fifth section of the first zone, 4,500 parasangs from its starting point. This sea is called the Chinese, Indian, or Abyssinian sea. It is bordered on the south by the country of the Zendjs and the country of Berbera which Imru'ul-Qays mentioned in his poem. These Berbers do not belong to the Berbers who make up the tribes in the Maghrib. The sea is then bordered by the town of Maqdachou, the land of Sofala, the places of the Quaq-Quaq and other people, after which there is nothing then deserts and waste. On the north where it starts it is bordered by China then Eastern and Western India and then by the coast of Yemen-that is al-Ahqaf, Zabid, and other cities. Where it ends, it is bordered by the country of the Zendjs and beyond them the Beja.

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Abyssinie is situated in the middle of the first part of the world in the fifth section. Through it flows a river, coming from the other side of the equator, running towards Nubia where it runs into the Nile, and from there descends into Egypt. After the equator it has passed close to Mogadisco, on the southern shores of the ocean. Many people have fantastic ideas about this river, and believe that this river is part of the Nile of Al-Qumr. But Ptolemy wrote in his geography that it has nothing to do with the Nile. To the south of Zayla, on the western shores of the Indian Ocean, are spread out the villages of Berbera, following the southern coast all the way to the VI section. In the east they touch the land of the Zanj. Then there is the town of Mogadiscio (Maqdashu) which is overfilled with people and its standard of civilization is that of nomadic people. One also finds lots of merchants there. To the east of Makdasau is the land of Sofala, which is on the southern shore of this sea, in the seventh section of this first climate. Then to the east of Sofala on the same coast you find the land of Wakwak, that stretches uninterrupted till the end of the 10th section of the climate there where the Indian ocean and the surrounding sea meet.

There are many islands in the Indian ocean. The biggest is Sarandyb, it has a rounded form and encloses a well known mountain, the highest in the world. This island is opposite Sofala. After that comes the island of Komar, which is long and starts opposite Sofala, and goes east and north, that way it comes close to China. To the south of it is the island of wakwak...

The news of the Berbers and the second nation of the people of the Maghreb.

The blacks are made up from different races, people and different tribes. In the east, the best known are the Zanj, the Abyssins and the Nubians, As to the western ones, we will talk about them after the general genealogy of the blacks.
The blacks are descendants of Cham, son of Noah, The Abyssins come from Habash, son of Kush, son of Cham; The Nubians, the Nuba son of Kush, son of Canaan, son of Cham, according to al-Masudi, or from Nub, son of Qut, son of Micr, son of Cham, according to Abd al-Barr; The Zanj, from Zanji, son of Kush. All other blacks descent according to Ibn Abd al-Barr, of Qut, son of Cham, or according to an other opinion, from Qubt, son of Cham.
Ibn Said lists 19 nations of black tribes.
In the east, on the Indian Sea, one finds the Zanj, who have a town called Munbaca. They are idolaters. A certain amount of slaves taken from their country had rebelled against there masters in Basra and followed a Shiite predication under the reign of the caliph al-Mutamid.
Besides them one finds the Barbara, of which the poet Imru'u-l-Qays speaks in his verses. Islam is nowadays very extended among them. They have a town on the Indian ocean called Mogadishu, which is often visited by Muslim merchants.
In the south east of those people one finds the Demadim, who are naked and without shoes. They invade Abyssinia and Nudia, says Ibn Said, in the days that the Tartars enter Iraq. After having devastated this country they returned home....
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Further away there are the Nubians, brothers of the Zanj and the Abyssins. They owe on the left side of the Nil river the town of Dongola.....
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If you guys didnt know the poet Imru'u-l-Qays existed in the 500s in arabia but I couldnt find the poem he was talking about us, if any of you guys know plz share it with us
 

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If you guys didnt know the poet Imru'u-l-Qays existed in the 500s in arabia but I couldnt find the poem he was talking about us, if any of you guys know plz share it with us
أبعد أبي في حصن كندة سيداً

يسود جموعاً من جيوش وبربرا

ويغزو بأعراب اليمانين كلهم

له أمرهم حتى يحل المشقرّا​
 

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أبعد أبي في حصن كندة سيداً

يسود جموعاً من جيوش وبربرا

ويغزو بأعراب اليمانين كلهم

له أمرهم حتى يحل المشقرّا​
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Somalis were not only mentioned as traders but also as mercenaries. This makes sense since even in 1850s europian were writing about not only somalis traders but also other somalis coming to the yemeni coast looking for jobs and mercenary is a form of a job.

When i was reading about the history of the habashi invasion of yemen by ibn hisham i found this poem.




It means the day where they call the people of barbar and axum.

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The people of barbar is obviously somalis and there are some who writes barbara.
When the habashi invaded yemen they most likely used mercenaries such as arabs but also people of barbara. This means that somalis worked as mercenaries not only for the kingdom of kinda but also the habashi invaders and most likely other rulers.

I once read about a mercenary force named barbara or varvara from east africa that was fighting in southern india and sri lanka.
 
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( I will highlight everytime he mentions us or our cities)

Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406) Kitab al' Ibar
(about universal history


Al-Muqaddim (Introduction)


P91-92
From the Surrounding Sea, they say, a large and wide Sea flows on the east at 13 deg. north of the equator. It flows a little towards the south,

entering the first zone. Then it flows west within the first zone until it reaches the country of the Abyssinians and the Negroes and Bab al-Mandeb in the fifth section of the first zone, 4,500 parasangs from its starting point. This sea is called the Chinese, Indian, or Abyssinian sea. It is bordered on the south by the country of the Zendjs and the country of Berbera which Imru'ul-Qays mentioned in his poem. These Berbers do not belong to the Berbers who make up the tribes in the Maghrib. The sea is then bordered by the town of Maqdachou, the land of Sofala, the places of the Quaq-Quaq and other people, after which there is nothing then deserts and waste. On the north where it starts it is bordered by China then Eastern and Western India and then by the coast of Yemen-that is al-Ahqaf, Zabid, and other cities. Where it ends, it is bordered by the country of the Zendjs and beyond them the Beja.

p103
Abyssinie is situated in the middle of the first part of the world in the fifth section. Through it flows a river, coming from the other side of the equator, running towards Nubia where it runs into the Nile, and from there descends into Egypt. After the equator it has passed close to Mogadisco, on the southern shores of the ocean. Many people have fantastic ideas about this river, and believe that this river is part of the Nile of Al-Qumr. But Ptolemy wrote in his geography that it has nothing to do with the Nile. To the south of Zayla, on the western shores of the Indian Ocean, are spread out the villages of Berbera, following the southern coast all the way to the VI section. In the east they touch the land of the Zanj. Then there is the town of Mogadiscio (Maqdashu) which is overfilled with people and its standard of civilization is that of nomadic people. One also finds lots of merchants there. To the east of Makdasau is the land of Sofala, which is on the southern shore of this sea, in the seventh section of this first climate. Then to the east of Sofala on the same coast you find the land of Wakwak, that stretches uninterrupted till the end of the 10th section of the climate there where the Indian ocean and the surrounding sea meet.

There are many islands in the Indian ocean. The biggest is Sarandyb, it has a rounded form and encloses a well known mountain, the highest in the world. This island is opposite Sofala. After that comes the island of Komar, which is long and starts opposite Sofala, and goes east and north, that way it comes close to China. To the south of it is the island of wakwak...

The news of the Berbers and the second nation of the people of the Maghreb.

The blacks are made up from different races, people and different tribes. In the east, the best known are the Zanj, the Abyssins and the Nubians, As to the western ones, we will talk about them after the general genealogy of the blacks.
The blacks are descendants of Cham, son of Noah, The Abyssins come from Habash, son of Kush, son of Cham; The Nubians, the Nuba son of Kush, son of Canaan, son of Cham, according to al-Masudi, or from Nub, son of Qut, son of Micr, son of Cham, according to Abd al-Barr; The Zanj, from Zanji, son of Kush. All other blacks descent according to Ibn Abd al-Barr, of Qut, son of Cham, or according to an other opinion, from Qubt, son of Cham.
Ibn Said lists 19 nations of black tribes.
In the east, on the Indian Sea, one finds the Zanj, who have a town called Munbaca. They are idolaters. A certain amount of slaves taken from their country had rebelled against there masters in Basra and followed a Shiite predication under the reign of the caliph al-Mutamid.
Besides them one finds the Barbara, of which the poet Imru'u-l-Qays speaks in his verses. Islam is nowadays very extended among them. They have a town on the Indian ocean called Mogadishu, which is often visited by Muslim merchants.
In the south east of those people one finds the Demadim, who are naked and without shoes. They invade Abyssinia and Nudia, says Ibn Said, in the days that the Tartars enter Iraq. After having devastated this country they returned home....
p109
Further away there are the Nubians, brothers of the Zanj and the Abyssins. They owe on the left side of the Nil river the town of Dongola.....
_______________________________________________

If you guys didnt know the poet Imru'u-l-Qays existed in the 500s in arabia but I couldnt find the poem he was talking about us, if any of you guys know plz share it with us
What is of interest, if remarkable is his al Asabiya theory, discussing Bedouns, which perfectly fits Somalis in their current state, a subject currently being taught at Yale & Harvard. That would make a brilliant topic of discussion.
 

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