Incels are having plastic surgery to attract women, but it won't work

[government]

I was so comically intrigued by incels (due to something that happened close to home), I once gathered enough knowledge on them to write an internet thesis. I even read their manifestos out of curiosity, visited their websites and threads/sub sections.

The only problem being, I had trouble identifying them in the wild even though their numbers are substantial. I really wanted to talk to one in the flesh, so to speak. As far as I could tell, men whom I wouldn’t touch with a 10ft pole were getting laid, so I couldn’t understand how they manage not to get laid in this landscape, bc even if normal women refused, you can 100% pay a stripper or escort to screw your brains out seeing as prostitution is illegal only on paper.

Their problem is bigger than sex. If you’re ugly, don’t have any social traits to the point where even faking it isn’t an option, but you’re somehow massively entitled and yet still can’t muster the intelligence or resources to get you past the threshold of getting laid, which you’ve made out to be the massive deal it isn’t, then that’s the definition of a computational error. They aren’t meant to make sense.

Yeah I never understood inceldom I've seen really ugly men with decent looking gf or wifes I think it's more about their social skills

 

[Jaydaan]

There are certain men who for some reason don't seem like the type to do much, but still don't find it hard getting the pretty girls. Hmmm.

Lol i get pretty girls. A womans value is not in how pretty she is. Also no matter how beautiful a woman is there is a man tired of her sh1t. Did you see cheryl cole and who her husband cheated her on. Pretty will draw a man in....aint gonna make him stay

 

[Apollo]

I think social media is making both of the sexes hyperaware of exactly where they stand. At the same time, it’s warping reality for some.

Young men watch and social media stars (little girls on the flip side aspire to) and fantasize from their tweens onward about getting someone on that level, meanwhile yester-century he would’ve been happy with the average milkmaid next door. But the damage was done, their sense of reality was altered (when reality wasn’t).

I also think video games and lack of social training is leading to guys who can’t talk to woman despite their horniness. It doesn’t even drive some of them to try, like an average guy would.

Are you going to allow your kids (when you have them) to be on social media since you are so woke on the negative effects it has?

This book by a famous social scientist advocates severely curbing it:

 

[Basra]

@kickz before surgery




@kickz after surgery



Incels are having plastic surgery to attract women, but it won't work.

Last time incels made international headlines, one of them had just killed 10 people by running them down with a van in Toronto.

Now the "involuntary celibate" are back in the news for something quite different.

They're signing up for plastic surgery, including rib removal, clavicle bone breakage, facial "masculinisation" and supersized testicle implants.

This group is also being linked to other manning-up procedures such as mewing (masticating hard foods in an attempt to grow bulging jaw biceps) and jelqing (a DIY "dickmaxxing" regime that is supposed to literally tear extra length into one's tallywacker).

Why? Because they don't like how they look and are hoping extreme makeovers will make them happier.

At first blush, it's tempting to assume that this shows a softer, less mass slaughter-y side to incels.

Could it be that they have more in common with women (their arch nemeses/greatest desires) than was previously thought?

Closer inspection, however, reveals that this is just more radicalised misogyny from a legion of noxious internet bottom-dwellers whose self-improvement strategies have been described as "inextricable from violent rage" and who aren't after sex so much as male supremacy.

From chatrooms to real-world violence
Incels are a subsect of the ad-hoc coalition of men's groups online known as the "manosphere".

Many want to initiate violent revolution because they're having trouble getting laid.

Don't laugh.

They've actually started killing people.

Elliot Rodger — the 22-year-old virgin who slaughtered six people in California's Isla Vista in 2014 ostensibly as an act of retribution against the sexually active — was a self-identified incel.

Scott Beierle, the self-declared misogynist who killed two women in a yoga class in Florida last November, was celebrated in incel chatrooms for the shooting, the Washington Post reports.

Alek Minassian, the man charged over the aforementioned vehicle-ramming attack in Toronto, also identified as an incel.

Minassian allegedly announced on Facebook just before the 2014 killings: "The Incel Rebellion has already begun! We will overthrow all the Chads and Stacys! All hail the Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger!"

Chads and Stacys, also known as Brads and Traceys, is incel-speak for attractive people guilty of having sex only with each other, thereby subjecting incels to what they call — with deadly straight faces — "reverse rape".

Incels have been linked to other homicides and sexual assaults, as well as internet boast-offs about mass gropings, non-consensual public transport frottage, and injecting semen into office chocolate bars to punish women with boyfriends.

The takeaway here is that they're not just harmless keyboard warriors.

Blackpill-inspired surgery
By now you might be wondering how the cheekbone chiselling and man-boob jobs fit into all this gender-based guerrilla warfare.

According to an investigation from New York magazine, cosmetic surgery among people who identify as male has risen 325 per cent between 1997 and 2015 in the US alone, including a sizable customer base of incels.

Apparently incels who have taken the "blackpill" (a Matrix reference which functions as shorthand for waking up to the tragedy of being born ugly) are signing up for costly surgery after costly surgery.

This often follows obsessive rumination about their faces and bodies on internet forums, where they use photo manipulation software to transform each other's selfies into Chads and Brads — organic, free-range versions of which include male models David Gandy, Jordan Barrett and Lucky Blue Smith.

Beauty has its benefits
The ugly reality is that fortune favours the beautiful.

In addition to #winning in the romantic industrial complex, research suggests the conventionally attractive are healthier, more persuasive, have advantages in politics, achieve higher sales if working as advertising executives, and — annoyingly enough — are even more intelligent.

Gorgeous people are hired, promoted and chosen as business partners more often than their Plain Jane counterparts.

And get this: if you happen to be a smokin' hot criminal, judges are likely to sentence you to less than half the jail time.

It really is monumentally unfair.

Yet women have endured discrimination, vilification and humiliation based on our appearances since pretty much forever and we get this regardless of whether we are #hotornot.

Yet amazingly enough, most of us manage to refrain from driving our vans into innocent Canadians, joining sisterly support groups to egg each other on to mass murder, boasting about lacing the office Tim Tams with our bodily fluids, and so on.

Chiselled jawbones won't make misogyny attractive
Nowhere in the Declaration of Human Rights does it mention anything about looking like Rihanna. This is a stroke of genetic luck, a freak privilege, not a right to which we're entitled.

Then there's the bizarre incel conviction that the only thing holding them back from having relationships with women are their average looks as opposed to the fact that they loathe us with a raging fury.

"I don't know what you don't see in me," Rodger, a conventionally good-looking young man, says in the chilling video he recorded before his killing spree.

"I'm the perfect guy. And yet you throw yourselves at all these obnoxious men instead of me, the supreme gentleman.

"I will punish all of you for it. On the day of retribution … I will slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up blond s***."

Can't imagine what girls didn't see in that dude.

Unless, of course, it's women's inscrutable habit of being hella picky when it comes to people who call us "c** dumpsters" and threaten us with ultra-violence.

Instead of all those blackpills, what incels really need is a simple shot of I-Can't-Believe-We-Actually-Have-To-Spell-This-Out-For-You-Monumental-Idiots.

It's a new pharmaceutical that wakes men up to the fact that getting testicular implants the size of dinosaur eggs won't work nearly as well as, oh, wow, I don't know, ditching threatened or actual slayage as a pick-up line?

Instead of increasing the size of their secondary sexual characteristics, incels would do much better if they dramatically slimmed down their toxic-ly inflated sense of entitlement.

Dr Emma A Jane is a senior lecturer at UNSW Sydney and the author of Misogyny Online: A Short (and Brutish) History.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06...or-face-improvement-misogyny-remains/11205336

@mrlog did complain why he has women thighs here in the forums long time ago. Perhaps the incels surgery violent revolution is well over- due.

 

[HalimaJ]

Lol i get pretty girls. A womans value is not in how pretty she is. Also no matter how beautiful a woman is there is a man tired of her sh1t. Did you see cheryl cole and who her husband cheated her on. Pretty will draw a man in....aint gonna make him stay

I'm the first to say a woman shouldn't be valued by her beauty, but that is the main and first thing a man values in the begining stages of getting to know a woman.

Beauty opens doors for women and the unfortunate fact is that the prettier the woman, the easier it is for her to attract a rich/high status man. That is why plastic surgery is so lucrative and women are making a killing after altering their appearence.

It pains me to admit it, but pretty privilege is real.

 

[simulacrum]

Women are on average actually more out of shape, but it is less of an issue for females since the male ideal physique is being a semi-bodybuilder while men can tolerate baruur like @Jaydaan

True, men seem to like all body types. It was just a hyperbole but women do tend to take care of themselves better maybe

 

[VixR]

Are you going to allow your kids (when you have them) to be on social media since you are so woke on the negative effects it has?

This book by a famous social scientists advocates severely curbing it:

That’s a losing battle.

If you keep them out of it, you’ll end up creating kids who can’t function in the landscape they were born into (disabling them). All you can do is attempt to optimize their success within the system.

 

[Jaydaan]

I think social media is making both of the sexes hyperaware of exactly where they stand. At the same time, it’s warping reality for some.

Young men watch and social media stars (little girls on the flip side aspire to) and fantasize from their tweens onward about getting someone on that level, meanwhile yester-century he would’ve been happy with the average milkmaid next door. But the damage was done, their sense of reality was altered (when reality wasn’t).

I also think video games and lack of social training is leading to guys who can’t talk to woman despite their horniness. It doesn’t even drive some of them to try, like an average guy would.

I do think there is too much pressure on young guys though. Guys are expected to swoop in and charm the girl while the girl is just waiting and deciding if his game is impressive enough. Now young girls who grew up in social media and romantic movies expectca guy to come in and sweep them out of their feet. You cant expect 20 year old guy to live up to that

 

[Apollo]

That’s a losing battle.

If you keep them out of it, you’ll end up creating kids who can’t function in the landscape they were born into. All you can do is attempt to optimize their success within the system.

I will go China style on them and filter the home internet. The Great Firewall.

And no smartphones until ~15. Only dumb phones.

 

[Jaydaan]

I'm the first to say a woman shouldn't be valued by her beauty, but that is the main and first thing a man values in the begining stages of getting to know a woman.

Beauty opens doors for women and the unfortunate fact is that the prettier the woman, the easier it is for her to attract a rich/high status man. That is why plastic surgery is so lucrative and women are making a killing after altering their appearence.

It pains me to admit it, but pretty privilege is real.

I agree.....but as weird as it siund you can be too pretty and sexy as well. It can be intimitating for some men. I seen some really pretty girls say they dont get approached much

 

[HalimaJ]

Lol i get pretty girls. A womans value is not in how pretty she is. Also no matter how beautiful a woman is there is a man tired of her sh1t. Did you see cheryl cole and who her husband cheated her on. Pretty will draw a man in....aint gonna make him stay

He might have cheated on her with those types of women, but her husband would never have settled down with the women he was screwing on the side.

A friend of mine said this:
Some men like the idea of having high quality steak at home, but having mcdonalds on the side from time to time.

Despite disagreeing with him due to his sexist analogy, i can see where he is coming from, if I was to analyse the mind of a cheater, who sleeps with women who are significantly less attractive than his wife. Men often objectify women and treat them as free testers you might try, but have no inclination to buy.

 

[VixR]

I will go China style on them and filter the internet and monitor their every cyber move. The Great Firewall.

Nah, that doesn’t work. Overprotectiveness produces meek children. That’s probably why the incels stayed in and played virtual games instead of physical ones.

They have to be proficient in the real world and adept online. It’s a balance.

Obviously, parental control is important, but it should be less stringent with age and not completely overboard.

 

[VixR]

I do think there is too much pressure on young guys though. Guys are expected to swoop in and charm the girl while the girl is just waiting and deciding if his game is impressive enough. Now young girls who grew up in social media and romantic movies expectca guy to come in and sweep them out of their feet. You cant expect 20 year old guy to live up to that

It’s normal pressure and there are opposing pressures to being a girl. If you can’t do that much when there’s someone you want, what can you do lol. I don’t get it.

 

[Jaydaan]

He might have cheated on her with those types of women, but her husband would never have settled down with the women he was screwing on the side.

A friend of mine said this:
Some men like the idea of having high quality steak at home, but having mcdonalds on the side from time to time.

Despite disagreeing with him due to his sexist analogy, i can see where he is coming from, if I was to analyse the mind of a cheater, who sleeps with women who are significantly less attractive than his wife. Men often objectify women and treat them as free testers you might try, but have no inclination to buy.

True....ideally every man shoukd have pretty wife at home and a freak on the side.

 

[HalimaJ]

True....ideally every man shoukd have pretty wife at home and a freak on the side.

That is disgusting.

Side note: pretty wives can't be freaks?




Some men want to have their cake and eat it and try everything. From the pretty wife to the fat girls you take to mcdonalds.

No wonder a lot of women think men are trash.

 

[Jaydaan]

It’s normal pressure and there are opposing pressures to being a girl. If you can’t do that much when there’s someone you want, what can you do lol. I don’t get it.

I see.....but its easier to destroy than build. All girl gotta do is say no. The guy has to do all the seduction and convincing

 

[Jaydaan]

That is disgusting.

Side note: pretty wives can't be freaks?




Some men want to have their cake and eat it and try everything. From the pretty wife to the fat girls you take to mcdonalds.

No wonder a lot of women think men are trash.

Loool im just being honest. That is ideal for most men and if women truly cared for iur happiness they woukd be ok with it

 

[kickz]

@kickz Farah, read the article and you will find out that you have similar traits to the characteristics of incels.

You are projecting sxb, and I stand by that this is an cadaan/gaal affliction

 

[VixR]

I see.....but its easier to destroy than build. All girl gotta do is say no. The guy has to do all the seduction and convincing

Everything in the whole universe is easier to destroy vs. build. It’s called entropy (this physics nerd I’m seeing would be proud of this joke)

I’m not chasing a guy, that’s for sure. No girl who knows her shit would. All you can do is put in the extra effort where you see fit. When it’s all said and done, it’s in your interest.

 

[Jaydaan]

Everything in the whole universe is easier to destroy vs. build. It’s called entropy (this physics nerd I’m seeing would be proud of this joke)

I’m not chasing a guy, that’s for sure. No girl who knows her shit would. All you can do is put in the extra effort where you see fit. When it’s all said and done, it’s in your interest.

Too much big bang theory for you lol