Islam or secularism?

[Win]

Discuss.


I'm in favour of Islam because:

1. it's fundamentalist. Secularism on the other hand changes constantly over time and has no objective foundations and truths.
2. secular free speech is hypocritical.
3. secularism will lead to the acceptance of degeneracy such as bestiality.

 

[Hassan mahat]

Secularism because:
it gives everyone a chance to do what they want apart from crimes in their short life. I don’t want to force people On what to do. On average everyone will live For 72 years, so everyone should do what they want in that period of time.

 

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Discuss.


I'm in favour of Islam because:

1. it's fundamentalist. Secularism on the other hand changes constantly over time and has no objective foundations and truths.
2. secular free speech is hypocritical.
3. secularism will lead to the acceptance of degeneracy such as bestiality.

Allah laws and laws tht don't go against Allah laws

 

[Win]

Secularism because:
it gives everyone a chance to do what they want apart from crimes in their short life. I don’t want to force people On what to do. On average everyone will live For 72 years, so everyone should do what they want in that period of time.

So if someone wants to have sex with a dog, he should be able to do it?

If a person consents to being eaten alive by a cannibal then it's okay?

If a person wants to commit suicide then he should be able to do it since he's not harming anyone?

If a person wants to mock other people's beliefs then he should be able to do it?

apart from crimes

Who decides what's a crime and what isn't?

 

[Hassan mahat]

So if someone wants to have sex with a dog, he should be able to do it?

If a person consents to being eaten alive by a cannibal then it's okay?

If a person wants to commit suicide then he should be able to do it since he's not harming anyone?

If a person wants to mock other people's beliefs then he should be able to do it?


Who decides what's a crime and what isn't?

Crime in the sense it hurts one’s self and others around them. Having sex with a dog is animal abuse, it should be illegal. Mocking others, is protected under secular law as freedom of expression. Eating someone, is illegal because it hurts others. It also leads to spread of diseases.

 

[Win]

Crime in the sense it hurts one’s self and others around them.

Don't disagree with this at all. In fact, it is in line with Islam. Fornication and the objectification of women has a major psychological toll on society and so does alcohol and all other narcotics. The Shariah bans such things and from what I got from your post, you don't seem to disagree with it since it's harms individuals and others around them.

Mocking others, is protected under secular law as freedom of expression.

So, I can make Holocaust jokes and I won't be arrested?

I can make homophobic jokes and I won't be arrested?

It also leads to spread of diseases.

So does fornication Damn, you're more in line with the Shariah than I thought.

Eating someone

I mean, he consented. So how could you infringe on his right to freedom? It was his personal choice and the government shouldn't get involved(under secularism).

 

[Hassan mahat]

Don't disagree with this at all. In fact, it is in line with Islam. Fornication and the objectification of women has a major psychological toll on society and so does alcohol and all other narcotics. The Shariah bans such things and from what I got from your post, you don't seem to disagree with it since it's harms individuals and others around them.


So, I can make Holocaust jokes and I won't be arrested?

I can make homophobic jokes and I won't be arrested?

So does fornication Damn, you're more in line with the Shariah than I thought.


I mean, he consented. So how could you infringe on his right to freedom? It was his personal choice and the government shouldn't get involved(under secularism).

Yes, you can make fun of the Holocaust under protection of the free speech, you will not be arrested however you may lose your job. Fornication is allowed, because it doesn’t harm others as long as the partners use protection. Eating someone Who died If he consented although, disgusting is legal.
I support men and women should be equal. although, I am Muslim I don’t want women to be forced to wear hijab and always have male permissions To do things as Islam says.

 

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Yes, you can make fun of the Holocaust under protection of the free speech, you will not be arrested however you may lose your job. Fornication is allowed, because it doesn’t harm others as long as the partners use protection. Eating someone Who died If he consented although, disgusting is legal.
I support men and women should be equal. although, I am Muslim I don’t want women to be forced to wear hijab and always have male permissions To do things as Islam says.

Why would someone lose their job cuz someone insulted jew u just hypocrit u wouldn't same same for others or those who mock somali and u wouldn't dare say tht to some Jews tht mock non jews
No one don't deserve to lose their job cuz someone imsulted jews
Stop with your agenda for the jew

 

[Hassan mahat]

Why would someone lose their job cuz someone insulted jew u just hypocrit u wouldn't same same for others or those who mock somali and u wouldn't dare say tht to some Jews tht mock non jews
No one don't deserve to lose their job cuz someone imsulted jews
Stop with your agenda for the jew

Saxiib, the Holocaust killed 6 million people including children. How on earth will you mock that? If you racist to Somalis you should also lose your job.

 

[Win]

Yes, you can make fun of the Holocaust under protection of the free speech,

You can mock people under secularism and get away with it. How is this meant to brig about social cohesion if there is no boundaries and respect between the people?

This claim of yours is false because secular societies throughout the West ban holocaust denial.

Fornication is allowed, because it doesn’t harm others

The spread of Stds is related to increase in fornication and if I remember correctly you said in your last post that the government could criminalize something if it led to the spread of disease. So the Shariah isn't wrong for criminalizing pre marital sex.

Eating someone Who died If he consented although, disgusting is legal.

In what world is a society that allows necrophilia better than a society based on the principles of Islam?

 

[Win]

I support men and women should be equal.

In what why are men and women equal?

As a Muslim, I believe they are equal in Allah's view but we're not equal concerning other stuff. Women excel men in certain areas and men excel women in other areas. So how could we possibly be equal?

 

[Hassan mahat]

In what why are men and women equal?

As a Muslim, I believe they are equal in Allah's view but we're not equal concerning other stuff. Women excel men in certain areas and men excel women in other areas. So how could we possibly be equal?

I am talking in terms of law. I am saying they should be treated equally. There no women rights in sharia law run countries such as Saudi Arabia.

 

[Win]

I am talking in terms of law. I am saying they should be treated equally. There no women rights in sharia law run countries such as Saudi Arabia.

If they truly ran by the Shariah then they would uphold the rights that were given to women by Allah.

Stop using Western puppets as examples for what an Islamic Caliphate should look like.

 

[Hassan mahat]

If they truly ran by the Shariah then they would uphold the rights that were given to women by Allah.

Stop using Western puppets as examples for what an Islamic Caliphate should look like.

So you support a Muslim caliphate? Waraa, you are crazy.

 

[Hassan2000]

Secularism because:
it gives everyone a chance to do what they want apart from crimes in their short life. I don’t want to force people On what to do. On average everyone will live For 72 years, so everyone should do what they want in that period of time.

Do you not believe in hell?

 

[Hassan mahat]

Do you not believe in hell?

I do believe in hell. I don’t care what others do with their life and choices.

 

[Win]

So you support a Muslim caliphate? Waraa, you are crazy.

What's wrong with it?

The prophet in Madina managed to erase racism, class discrimination and during the time of the Khalif Umar, poverty was eradicated from Muslim lands.

The source for this is the International journal of economics.

Islamic Economic System, Poverty and Insurgency: From Zakāh Distribution to Capacity Building

Previous studies on Zakāh administration have addressed the issue of distribution of Zakāh funds to reduce the sufferings of the poor. The purpose of this work, however, is to argue for a change from Zakāh distribution to capacity building approach so as to change the condition of the poor and...

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An Islamic system seems much better in my honest opinion.

 

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Saxiib, the Holocaust killed 6 million people including children. How on earth will you mock that? If you racist to Somalis you should also lose your job.

First of I didn't mock no one and second 100 millions native American have been killed and Canadian native 2 and Australia native and new Zealand native and black African are killed more then Jews
I agree with tht ppl shouldn't mock dead ppl whether those tht die are Jews or not
U just hypocrit and support Jews agenda
Kulha if someone mock Jews those ppl should be fired from their job
If u don't said same to non Jews then u hypocrit

 

[Hassan mahat]

First of I didn't mock no one and second 100 millions native American have been killed and Canadian native 2 and Australia native and new Zealand native and black African are killed more then Jews
I agree with tht ppl shouldn't mock dead ppl whether those tht die are Jews or not
U just hypocrit and support Jews agenda
Kulha if someone mock Jews those ppl should be fired from their job
If u don't said same to non Jews then u hypocrit

Dude, I clearly stated if you are racist to other groups, you should be fired.

 

[among us]

Dude, I clearly stated if you are racist to other groups, you should be fired.

Where and BTW tht is your opinion
Even someone is racist shouldn't be fired from even tho I don't support their racist view