J haplogroup in Somalia

[novanova]

most arabs who were assimilated into somali society seem to have been auxiliaries/mercenaries (mahras>arab saalax) or artisans (the ones assimilated by tumaal and other marginalized groups). Cadcads seem more likely to have indian haplogroups (like R1 I think) than arab. Is it safe to say that Arab merchants didn’t stick around in Somalia?

 

[Shimbiris]

There are J1 Reer Gibil Cad. I had about two of their samples emailed to me like a decade ago, in fact.

Arab settlement is perhaps way overstated and, ironically, it's more Somalis who settled in Arabia when you look at accounts of places like Yemen during the Early Modern era where Somalis had a quarter of their own in Mukha by 1762 and were so integral to Aden's 19th century economy that when they threatened to all leave in unison the British exclaimed that Aden would be done overnight if they did so.

But even so, merchant Arabs definitely existed and were noticeable on our end. You mentioned Indians and if you look at a 19th century census of Xamar by the Italians the actual Arab and Indian population were pretty much equal in number. Gibil Cads don't draw from just Indians, don't know where you got that sense.

They tend to look ~20% Indian, 30-40% Somali, 5-10% Bantu and the rest is a diverse smattering of what seems MENA; Arab, Iranian, Central Asian like Uzbek and so on. The Banaadir seemed to attract people from all over the Muslim world in its heyday.

 

[Rayaale]

Are Arab salaax overwhelmingly j1 ?

 

[Shimbiris]

Are Arab salaax overwhelmingly j1 ?

No idea, wallahi. Just know that the J1 Somali who matches with Mehris on Yfull is supposedly one of them.

 

[The alchemist]

In Somaliland, many went back because it was a flowing activity. Some stayed and married. The Arabs in there were only 1000 people or so. Maybe only 250 people intermixed. The region was in constant trade flux, so home for them was not too distant, and once trade lessened, they just mostly left to seek other opportunities. Similarly, the Somalis on the other side likely did the same. Most went back home since they were on the other side for work, while only a minor section of them assimilated. There were more permanent settlers who lived there since earlier times, I think.

 

[The alchemist]

No idea, wallahi. Just know that the J1 Somali who matches with Mehris on Yfull is supposedly one of them.

A cool dude from Germany was on Somalispot and belonged to Carab Saalax, under a Mehri lineage on YFull. He went by the name of @Wiilyam Ina Sheekh Zubeer.