John F. Kennedy on Mustafa Kemal Ataturk

[Gilgamesh]

Ataturk was one of the greatest leaders ever in world history imo. Like a Phoenix, he established a new nation from the ashes of the FAILING Ottoman Empire and saved his people from being preyed upon by the LYING foreign forces that sought spoils of Turkish land and subsequently dragged his backward people kicking and screaming into modernity ushering in a new era for the Turkish people that has left them to enjoy the fruit of his labor to this day. Sadly that legacy of his is under threat by the deranged and wannabe Sultan who currently leads Turkey. Soon in the coming weeks Turkey will be having a referendum that will greatly expand the powers of Erdogan further entrenching him that it's unlikely he will ever be removed peacefully in a democratic process. It's up to the Turkish people to reject it and and save their nation from the backward forces that seek to turn it into another middle eastern hellhole.

 

[Inactive]

The opposition parties at the time even adored him. When they were in power they made it a crime to insult him or destroy anything that represents him.

 

[fox]

@TheUnderTaker What was his approach on Islam? Turned the mosques into tourist attractions and placed the Quran in museums. I am against everything this man standed for. He was a zionist shill.

And @AbdiJohnson your a liberal, you stand for the people. So what about the innocent Kurds? Thousands were massacred by Ataturk.

The opposition parties at the time even adored him. When they were in power they made it a crime to insult him or destroy anything that represents him.

That sounds like a saudi styled dictatorshipand a weird obsession

 

[Gilgamesh]

What was his approach on Islam? Turned the mosques into tourist attractions and placed the Quran in museums. I am against everything this man standed for. He was a zionist shill.

Those are lies todly by the butthurt muslamic fundamentalists. Hagia Sophia was originally a Church to begin with and Turkey already had tons of other Grand mosques that resembled it. It was a pragmatic decision to make one of greatest wonders of architecture a Museum to raise the cultural value of Turkey allowing tourists to pour in spending billions a year and sustaining the livelihood of million of Turks who depend on the tourist industry. As for your 2nd assertion, it's totally false. People were allowed to freely practice their religion, he just didn't think government policy should be based on religion which is totally reasonable.

 

[fox]

Those are lies todly by the butthurt muslamic fundamentalists. Hagia Sophia was originally a Church to begin with and Turkey already had tons of other Grand mosques that resembled it. It was a pragmatic decision to make one of greatest wonders of architecture a Museum to raise the cultural value of Turkey allowing tourists to pour in spending billions a year and sustaining the livelihood of million of Turks who depend on that tourist industry. As for your 2nd statement it's totally false. People were allowed to freely practice their religion, he just didn't think government policy should be based on religion which is totally reasonable.

... and hitler killed 6 million Jews. Don't bring me revised zionist history

 

[Abdalla]

He was a beg. The English he begged so much betrayed him by supporting Greece.

 

[oday1kenobi]

@TheUnderTaker What was his approach on Islam? Turned the mosques into tourist attractions and placed the Quran in museums. I am against everything this man standed for. He was a zionist shill.

And @AbdiJohnson your a liberal, you stand for the people. So what about the innocent Kurds? Thousands were massacred by Ataturk.



That sounds like a saudi styled dictatorshipand a weird obsession

If it wasn't for Attaturk, hagia Sophia would've became an orthodox church in the new capital city of neo-byzantine empire, Constantinople.

Without Attaturk, the Turks would be like today's Kurds who are stateless.

 

[oday1kenobi]

He was a beg. The English he begged so much betrayed him by supporting Greece.

And he whooped greek, British and russian asses as a result.

Im generally not a fan of strongman characters in history but this guy literally saved his nation.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

Ataturk was a saviour for the Turks. He saved his nation from being split amongst the Greeks, Armenians etc. Plus, he modernised Turkey & made it into a great power.

 

[Lixle]

bring back secularism to turkey. the last thing this world needs is a self styled ottoman khalif running up down from every shitwhole including somalia

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

I've got nothing but respect for the AKP and Erdogan, they've pretty much done the impossible.

They dislodged what was a military dictatorship in all but name using democracy, the law, and people power. By attempting to join the EU, they forced Turkey to democratize and liberalize which allowed a Muslim party to rule the country.

Mustafa Kemal was a jewish kaafir, its no secret. Most of the young turks were. He was vehemently anti islam and changed the adhaan to turkish. He would be insulted if you called him a muslim leader.

But, none of this would be possible today were it not for him and inonnu. They were nationalists of the highest level and were responsible for keeping turkey independent and free by siding with the muslims. They also prevented salafiyyah from infiltrating into turkey, and if they didn't then none of this would have been possible.

It's no surprise that the idoors in this thread hate Erdogan and the ottoman empire, they helped us defend ourselves from the transgressing Abyssinian empire, they supported us in our war against colonization and have always been a strong ally of Somalis. That's why we call them somalidiids.

 

[oday1kenobi]

I've got nothing but respect for the AKP and Erdogan, they've pretty much done the impossible.

They dislodged what was a military dictatorship in all but name using democracy, the law, and people power. By attempting to join the EU, they forced Turkey to democratize and liberalize which allowed a Muslim party to rule the country.

Mustafa Kemal was a jewish kaafir, its no secret. Most of the young turks were. He was vehemently anti islam and changed the adhaan to turkish. He would be insulted if you called him a muslim leader.

But, none of this would be possible today were it not for him and inonnu. They were nationalists of the highest level and were responsible for keeping turkey independent and free by siding with the muslims. They also prevented salafiyyah from infiltrating into turkey, and if they didn't then none of this would have been possible.

It's no surprise that the idoors in this thread hate Erdogan and the ottoman empire, they helped us defend ourselves from the transgressing Abyssinian empire, they supported us in our war against colonization and have always been a strong ally of Somalis. That's why we call them somalidiids.

Erdogan was alright initially. He and his party were influential during the economic boom time some years ago plus he did limit the power of the trigger-happy military. However, he's now definitely going too far with his authorative, demagogic zeal which the rural people of the Anatolian interior naively take in while the urbanites of Istanbul and Izmir (and other large cities) are increasingly becoming alienated to.

Moving on, the ottoman empire during the middle ages and parts of the early-modern era was important to the defence of the wider islamic realm especially in support to their Somali allies in the 16th century against the Abyssinians but by the 19 and 20th centuries (despite modernising reforms) they were corrupt absolute monarchs who didn't care about the turkish/muslim people who constantly came to seek refuge from atrocities in the Balkans to anatolia. Without Attaturk, there may have possibly been larger scale massacres and/or genocides against the turkish people after Greece, Armenia, Russia and other nations carve them up.

So why do you bring qabil into this without even knowing my full views?

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Erdogan was alright initially. He and his party were influential during the economic boom time some years ago plus he did limit the power of the trigger-happy military. However, he's now definitely going too far with his authorative, demagogic zeal which the rural people of the Anatolian interior naively take in while the urbanites of Istanbul and Izmir (and other large cities) are increasingly becoming alienated to.

Moving on, the ottoman empire during the middle ages and parts of the early-modern era was important to the defence of the wider islamic realm especially in support to their Somali allies in the 16th century against the Abyssinians but by the 18/19 and 20th centuries (despite modernising reforms) they were corrupt absolute monarchs who didn't care about the turkish/muslim people who continually came to seek refuge from atrocities in the Balkans to anatolia. Without Attaturk, there may have possibly been larger scale massacres and/or genocides against the turkish people after Greece, Armenia, Russia and other nations carve them up.

Btw, why do you bring qabil into this?

Most of what you've said is just eurocentrist lies which we've all been fed. The Ottoman's had less political power than a modern day secular democratic leader. Till around the mid 19th century, they were structured as most muslim dawlas.

At the top there was the sultan and his small administration, but most political power was held by local emirs in each region, most people were farmers who owned their land and paid 10 % tax which was lower than anywhere else in the world at the time and artisans. Manufactured goods were produced by local guilds and the standard of living was higher in the sultaniyya than most of Europe. Welfare, hospitals, public goods, roads etc were all carried out by zakat/waqf. By the time the Ottomans modernized in the 1840s, most of Europe wasn't even industrialized. Most of Europeans were farmers who didn't even own their land but were working for large landowners. In Russia, most of the population were serfs until 1861! The contrast between Europe at the time and Ottomans was phenomenal.

We were led to believe that as a hereditary leader, the sultan would be a dictator and hold total power when the opposite is in fact true. The real ruler was the shariah, the sultan was simply a servant, a servant of the shariah. His power was always checked by the scholars of Islam who could easily push the people into the streets and make the army organize a coup if the sultan acts up. It was extremely decentralized, in fact, it was anarchist because authority is only from Allah.

 

[Cyberborg]

he was an ally of british colonizers and Jews and killed many kurdish Muslims how is he a good man????