Kingdom Of Eswatini

[DR OSMAN]

Eswatini, officially Kingdom of Eswatini, Swati Umbuso weSwatini, previously called Kingdom of Swaziland, landlocked country in the eastern flank of South Africa, where it adjoins Mozambique. It extends about 110 miles (175 km) from north to south and about 80 miles (130 km) from west to east at its largest dimensions.Jan 23, 2020

Study This kingdom as it shows Similarities to Kingdom of Majerteniya.

Eswatini - Wikipedia

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They were called 'swaziland'. Similar to Puntland. But they have a 'monarch' since the 18th century, their boqor osman is called Ngwane the 3rd

The Swazis established their kingdom in the mid-18th century under the leadership of Ngwane III

The government is an absolute monarchy, ruled by King Mswati III since 1986

Is it time PL considers an absolute monarchy with King Burhan as Head of State?

Eswatini is a developing country with a small economy. With a GDP per capita of $4,145.97, it is classified as a country with a lower-middle income

PL will achieve upper middle income because swaziland is landlocked and not on the red sea/india ocean which is like 'prime real estate' since the time of ancient egyptians till today for trade. @Samaalic Era I am sorry but indian trade corridor of GM/HS/HAMAR is dead, no-one uses that corridor and has no importance, it's not prime real estate in trade and u know it.

Hamar only significance is due to capital not because of it's location or natural resources(hawiye land to tiny for natural resources)

 

[Helios]

Pretty concise argument, its rather interesting. But how will you compete with Berbera as a port

 

[Samaalic Era]

Eswatini, officially Kingdom of Eswatini, Swati Umbuso weSwatini, previously called Kingdom of Swaziland, landlocked country in the eastern flank of South Africa, where it adjoins Mozambique. It extends about 110 miles (175 km) from north to south and about 80 miles (130 km) from west to east at its largest dimensions.Jan 23, 2020

Study This kingdom as it shows Similarities to Kingdom of Majerteniya.

Eswatini - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They were called 'swaziland'. Similar to Puntland. But they have a 'monarch' since the 18th century, their boqor osman is called Ngwane the 3rd

The Swazis established their kingdom in the mid-18th century under the leadership of Ngwane III

The government is an absolute monarchy, ruled by King Mswati III since 1986

Is it time PL considers an absolute monarchy with King Burhan as Head of State?

Eswatini is a developing country with a small economy. With a GDP per capita of $4,145.97, it is classified as a country with a lower-middle income

PL will achieve upper middle income because swaziland is landlocked and not on the red sea/india ocean which is like 'prime real estate' since the time of ancient egyptians till today for trade. @Samaalic Era I am sorry but indian trade corridor of GM/HS/HAMAR is dead, no-one uses that corridor and has no importance, it's not prime real estate in trade and u know it.

Hamar only significance is due to capital not because of it's location or natural resources(hawiye land to tiny for natural resources)

Somali clan states can only flourish in global anarchy and global tribalism. So long as nation states exist, clan states are easy targets and your clan will be massacred.

First spread the idea of qabyaalad to the world

 

[DR OSMAN]

Boqor Burhan Met with the King of the Zulu Kingom

 

[DR OSMAN]

Pretty concise argument, its rather interesting. But how will you compete with Berbera as a port

Berbera and Djibouti compete. Bosaso is special. It's at the entry/exit of the red sea, it's not another 'town' on the lane-way like Berbera. Bosaso till Gardafu must demand 'special treatment' due to it's trade location importance. Berbera is like Djibouti or Port of Sudan. It's deep inside the lane-way, it gradually starts to lose significance as other towns on the lane-way begin competition. Bosaso to Gardafu don't need to compete. You can't enter or exit the red sea without Puntland. That requires a different 'relationship' don't you think to say 'berbera or djibouti'?

 

[Helios]

Berbera and Djibouti compete. Bosaso is special. It's at the entry/exit of the red sea, it's not another 'town' on the lane-way like Berbera. Bosaso till Gardafu must demand 'special treatment' due to it's trade location importance. Berbera is like Djibouti or Port of Sudan. It's deep inside the lane-way, it gradually starts to lose significance as other towns on the lane-way begin competition. Bosaso to Gardafu don't need to compete. You can't enter or exit the red sea without Puntland. That requires a different 'relationship' don't you think to say 'berbera or djibouti'?

You can just bypass it the same way Al Mukalla is secondary to Aden. Its right above Bosaso. The key is proximity to the Bab Al Mandeb straight unless your attempting to attract other trade like from India which again might just bypass you for the Zanzibari cluster ie Mogadishu Mombasa etc

 

[DR OSMAN]

You can just bypass it the same way Al Mukalla is secondary to Aden. Its right above Bosaso. The key is proximity to the Bab Al Mandeb straight unless your attempting to attract other trade like from India which again might just bypass you for the Zanzibari cluster ie Mogadishu Mombasa etc

To Crush Puntland prime maritime real estate significance, you would need to get Saudi to stop the oil trade an important 'economy energy commodity' this isn't small 'items or products' destined for small markets but large markets who require it's energy supplier is reliable and on time delivery to service it's economy. You would need to stop age old Europe-Asia-India Trade link that needs to use Puntland coastline.

How are you going to bring Europe-Asia-India agree not to use the 'red sea' as the channel that connects their continents? That's like saying the romans and chinese made a pact not to use the silk road back in ancient times, but what other road is there to use? what other lane-way are they going to use? are they going to cover India trade by using indian ocean and then south africa and then go past nigeria and then into medittereanean? can u imagine 'prices and costs' in the market place?

This is like arguing the world should stop using 'oil' but what u going to switch too? 'solar' that sounds nice but it's isn't practical, oil is cheaper to extract, refine, and deliver then setting up just one 'solar farm' for 'residential homes'

The thing that makes PL unique to Berbera or Djibouti, irrespective of bab el mandeb which is useless title, yemen today isn't the same yemen of colonial period when the bab el mandeb had significance. Djibouti is dead and so is Berbera. The only thing keeping Sudan alive is the 'oil' trade. While Djibouti-Berbera 'scrap' it out for 'ethiopia' trade.

We always eating no matter which coastline is used for trade be it on indian ocean(we own half of it) in Somalia untill garacad. We also eat well on the red sea(we own half of it) in Somalia till Laaso Suraad.

A marketplace that is '3rd world' beyond 'livestock' which is worth some 'hard currency', but everything else is 'farming' and 'imports' of 'bagaash' small 'items' and Berbera is trying to get slice of such petty 'trade'. Puntland is only interested in the livestock 'trade' in Ethiopia. Not 'importing' 'petty' trade to support it's pathetic economy.

@Samaalic Era hates it but that is the truth. Puntland is very significant in 'trade' and 'prime real estate' yes and I say it again 'Prime real estate'. Puntland coastline is 'prime real estate' for 5000 years since the ancient egyptians and it's still 'prime real estate'. It's longest 'running' maritime trade network in history and it's still 'active' as hell. But the great thing about Puntland is. Even if the 'trade' slows down on the red sea. Djibouti-Berbera Die. Not Puntland. We can switch to 'indian ocean' settlements' and begin port activities.

Plus we are always at the 'center' of the 'trade' game. If Samaalic Era and His southern lands up untill South Africa have a boom. They will always need me as I am the gate-way to 'Arabia' and from Arabia to 'Europe'. Berbera-Djibouti will always need me since I am 'sitting' at the mouth of red-sea/indian ocean. No-one can trade in the red sea if Puntland becomes 'unstable'. A stable, progressive, educated, and wealthy Puntland is in everyone interests.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Back to the Similiarities of The Kingdom of Eswatini(Formerly known as Swaziland). Kingdom of Majerteniya should be re-considered or at least 'Kingdom of Harti' and we should follow in the spirit of making Puntland Defunct as a regional state an we should embrace our kingdom roots which are still strong unofficially, why not make it official?

Read this about the Kingdom of Eswatini their House of Assembly is identical to ours 66 House of Assembly. We lack a 'senate' as we are not 'officially' a country like they are.

The Swazi bicameral Parliament, or Libandla, consists of the Senate (30 seats; 10 members appointed by the House of Assembly and 20 appointed by the monarch; to serve five-year terms) and the House of Assembly (65 seats; 10 members appointed by the monarch and 55 elected by popular vote; to serve five-year terms).

The elections are held every five years after dissolution of parliament by the king. The last elections were held on 18 August and 21 September 2018.[41][42] The balloting is done in a non-partisan manner. All election procedures are overseen by the Elections and Boundaries Commission.[43]

 

[Helios]

To Crush Puntland prime maritime real estate significance, you would need to get Saudi to stop the oil trade an important 'economy energy commodity' this isn't small 'items or products' destined for small markets but large markets who require it's energy supplier is reliable and on time delivery to service it's economy. You would need to stop age old Europe-Asia-India Trade link that needs to use Puntland coastline.

How are you going to bring Europe-Asia-India agree not to use the 'red sea' as the channel that connects their continents? That's like saying the romans and chinese made a pact not to use the silk road back in ancient times, but what other road is there to use? what other lane-way are they going to use? are they going to cover India trade by using indian ocean and then south africa and then go past nigeria and then into medittereanean? can u imagine 'prices and costs' in the market place?

This is like arguing the world should stop using 'oil' but what u going to switch too? 'solar' that sounds nice but it's isn't practical, oil is cheaper to extract, refine, and deliver then setting up just one 'solar farm' for 'residential homes'

The thing that makes PL unique to Berbera or Djibouti, irrespective of bab el mandeb which is useless title, yemen today isn't the same yemen of colonial period when the bab el mandeb had significance. Djibouti is dead and so is Berbera. The only thing keeping Sudan alive is the 'oil' trade. While Djibouti-Berbera 'scrap' it out for 'ethiopia' trade.

We always eating no matter which coastline is used for trade be it on indian ocean(we own half of it) in Somalia untill garacad. We also eat well on the red sea(we own half of it) in Somalia till Laaso Suraad.

A marketplace that is '3rd world' beyond 'livestock' which is worth some 'hard currency', but everything else is 'farming' and 'imports' of 'bagaash' small 'items' and Berbera is trying to get slice of such petty 'trade'. Puntland is only interested in the livestock 'trade' in Ethiopia. Not 'importing' 'petty' trade to support it's pathetic economy.

@Samaalic Era hates it but that is the truth. Puntland is very significant in 'trade' and 'prime real estate' yes and I say it again 'Prime real estate'. Puntland coastline is 'prime real estate' for 5000 years since the ancient egyptians and it's still 'prime real estate'. It's longest 'running' maritime trade network in history and it's still 'active' as hell. But the great thing about Puntland is. Even if the 'trade' slows down on the red sea. Djibouti-Berbera Die. Not Puntland. We can switch to 'indian ocean' settlements' and begin port activities.

Plus we are always at the 'center' of the 'trade' game. If Samaalic Era and His southern lands up untill South Africa have a boom. They will always need me as I am the gate-way to 'Arabia' and from Arabia to 'Europe'. Berbera-Djibouti will always need me since I am 'sitting' at the mouth of red-sea/indian ocean. No-one can trade in the red sea if Puntland becomes 'unstable'. A stable, progressive, educated, and wealthy Puntland is in everyone interests.

The red sea is important not just because of the oil it's because it's a shortcut that's why. The Suez canal is the key feature and even if oil doesn't pass through it, it's still the outlet for all the Euro-Asia trade, it's a chokepoint so it's crucial. Djibouti isn't dead it's eating good from the port revenues. As long as Ethiopia remains landlocked they'll continue to enjoy that.

I don't understand why you're saying the Red Sea depends on Puntland it doesn't and Puntland isn't even on the Red Sea, when you had pirates stealing ships it barely dented bothered everyone. The USN just parked some cruisers and then it was business as usual. It is prime real estate but you need it on the east coast of Somalia not the Northern end by your reasoning otherwise it will be hit with your diagnosed problems to Berbera. A port on the Arabian sea and not the Gulf an Aden. Berbera is also an ancient port too and I don't see it going down the drain anytime soon. If you were to divert trade to Puntland, you have to have something worthwhile, a port unless it's ridiculously well situated needs to be an outlet to something. Livestock trade isn't big enough nor do you have a monopoly on it.

 

[Helios]

Back to the Similiarities of The Kingdom of Eswatini(Formerly known as Swaziland). Kingdom of Majerteniya should be re-considered or at least 'Kingdom of Harti' and we should follow in the spirit of making Puntland Defunct as a regional state an we should embrace our kingdom roots which are still strong unofficially, why not make it official?

Read this about the Kingdom of Eswatini their House of Assembly is identical to ours 66 House of Assembly. We lack a 'senate' as we are not 'officially' a country like they are.

The Swazi bicameral Parliament, or Libandla, consists of the Senate (30 seats; 10 members appointed by the House of Assembly and 20 appointed by the monarch; to serve five-year terms) and the House of Assembly (65 seats; 10 members appointed by the monarch and 55 elected by popular vote; to serve five-year terms).

The elections are held every five years after dissolution of parliament by the king. The last elections were held on 18 August and 21 September 2018.[41][42] The balloting is done in a non-partisan manner. All election procedures are overseen by the Elections and Boundaries Commission.[43]

Bro don't compare aids ridden landlocked eswatini to MJ territory. Your sub sub sub of Darod outnumbers the whole country in population and area.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Their population is around

1,136,281

It's the size of Djibouti

The red sea is important not just because of the oil it's because it's a shortcut that's why. The Suez canal is the key feature and even if oil doesn't pass through it, it's still the outlet for all the Euro-Asia trade, it's a chokepoint so it's crucial. Djibouti isn't dead it's eating good from the port revenues. As long as Ethiopia remains landlocked they'll continue to enjoy that.

I don't understand why you're saying the Red Sea depends on Puntland it doesn't and Puntland isn't even on the Red Sea, when you had pirates stealing ships it barely dented bothered everyone. The USN just parked some cruisers and then it was business as usual. It is prime real estate but you need it on the east coast of Somalia not the Northern end by your reasoning otherwise it will be hit with your diagnosed problems to Berbera. A port on the Arabian sea and not the Gulf an Aden. Berbera is also an ancient port too and I don't see it going down the drain anytime soon. If you were to divert trade to Puntland, you have to have something worthwhile, a port unless it's ridiculously well situated needs to be an outlet to something. Livestock trade isn't big enough nor do you have a monopoly on it.

Berbera only has one lifeline the red sea. PL has two lifelines. The Red sea and Indian Ocean. I am not sure why u selectively ignore this 'key edge' of 'strategic' importance for Puntland. Plus the red-sea isn't all equally valued the same, that's like saying all 'america' is equally the same value in land. The body of 'water' in the red sea is important at the 'Suez' because of entry/exit point. Puntland sits on the other side of the entry/exit point on the red sea. It's the most lucrative body of water.

The rest of the towns are 'hashililah' and depends on their politicians of the day and what colony they are under. In the case of Djibouti it has decided to bend over and take it's american-french-chinese bases, Puntland doesn't need to do that as it's strategically important just based on our location, Puntland is technically the 'suez canal' of Somalia. We don't need to do anything just our location gives us the mightiest edge.

As for the pirates, their not our 'army' and if our 'kids' can grab the attention of the US-Navy and the World Navy. You don't want to see our 'army'. Read about last time Puntland went to war. Italy-Eritrea-Southern Somalis had to attack it from 'sea, air, land'. This time the whole UN-NATO-US NAVY-European nations will need to step in again if Puntland goes to war. The thing is Puntland may not win the war but for a population of 2 million, we bring the whole world to it's fucking knees

 

[Helios]

Their population is around

1,136,281

It's the size of Djibouti


Berbera only has one lifeline the red sea. PL has two lifelines. The Red sea and Indian Ocean. I am not sure why u selectively ignore this 'key edge' of 'strategic' importance for Puntland. Plus the red-sea isn't all equally valued the same, that's like saying all 'america' is equally the same value in land. The body of 'water' in the red sea is important at the 'Suez' because of entry/exit point. Puntland sits on the other side of the entry/exit point on the red sea. It's the most lucrative body of water.

The rest of the towns are 'hashililah' and depends on their politicians of the day and what colony they are under. In the case of Djibouti it has decided to bend over and take it's american-french-chinese bases, Puntland doesn't need to do that as it's strategically important just based on our location, Puntland is technically the 'suez canal' of Somalia. We don't need to do anything just our location gives us the mightiest edge.

As for the pirates, their not our 'army' and if our 'kids' can grab the attention of the US-Navy and the World Navy. You don't want to see our 'army'. Read about last time Puntland went to war. Italy-Eritrea-Southern Somalis had to attack it from 'sea, air, land'. This time the whole UN-NATO-US NAVY-European nations will need to step in again if Puntland goes to war. The thing is Puntland may not win the war but for a population of 2 million, we bring the whole world to it's fucking knees

I was talking about Bosaso not PL in it's entirety, Berbera is Hargeisa's port + and is bigger than Bosaso. Bosaso has nothing in proximity and is a smaller city. Trade is cut in 2 either to the North or South of Somalia. PL sits in the Middle and instead of competing with Berbera in the North you need something more central and better situated on both the Gulf of Aden and Indian ocean. I'm aware that isn't your army but it doesn't matter if you have 100,000 soldiers you need a navy to harm trade passing your shores.

Target a better port on this red area to truly profit off both streams of trade, otherwise your main port Bosaso will continue to sit in Berbera's shadow.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I was talking about Bosaso not PL in it's entirety, Berbera is Hargeisa's port + and is bigger than Bosaso. Bosaso has nothing in proximity and is a smaller city. Trade is cut in 2 either to the North or South of Somalia. PL sits in the Middle and instead of competing with Berbera in the North you need something more central and better situated on both the Gulf of Aden and Indian ocean. I'm aware that isn't your army but it doesn't matter if you have 100,000 soldiers you need a navy to harm trade passing your shores.

Target a better port on this red area to truly profit off both streams of trade, otherwise your main port Bosaso will continue to sit in Berbera's shadow.
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Berbera has large port and that still hasn't helped the town, as it's smaller then 'Carmo'. Local business-men only amount to one or two or something. You can't compare Bosaso to such place. Everyone in Bosaso is business person or related to one directly. Bosaso is locally built.

Hargeisa is diaspora built. Plus we know Majerten have largest diaspora among Somalis, so we also own largest wealth per clan. Garowe is our administrative city and political city. Galkacyo is our Hargeisa, it's our in-land border town that handles the central trade. SL cannot sub-divide it's towns like that. Burco looks no different to Qardho in business activities. People just pass burco no-one bothers staying there. Forget Erigavo another sleepy town. Hargeisa is all you have. It's your political, business, it's your everything.

 

[Helios]

Berbera has large port and that still hasn't helped the town, as it's smaller then 'Carmo'. Local business-men only amount to one or two or something. You can't compare Bosaso to such place. Everyone in Bosaso is business person or related to one directly. Bosaso is locally built.

Hargeisa is diaspora built. Plus we know Majerten have largest diaspora among Somalis, so we also own largest wealth per clan. Garowe is our administrative city and political city. Galkacyo is our Hargeisa, it's our in-land border town that handles the central trade. SL cannot sub-divide it's towns like that. Burco looks no different to Qardho in business activities. People just pass burco no-one bothers staying there. Forget Erigavo another sleepy town. Hargeisa is all you have. It's your political, business, it's your everything.

Are you going to address my points? Bro Hargeisa is almost the same distance to Bosaso as your main city. That isn't good strategically or for transportation costs. That's why I pointed out your eastern shore as more feasible. Ty for acknowledging Erigavo as ours .

 

[DR OSMAN]

Are you going to address my points? Bro Hargeisa is almost the same distance to Bosaso as your main city. That isn't good strategically or for transportation costs. That's why I pointed out your eastern shore as more feasible. Ty for acknowledging Erigavo as ours .

Kingdom of Esawtini is proof positive a kingdom of less stature and in isolation region such as south africa has become lower middle income country following it's history and traditions and not following this ethno nationalism that was started by 'mussolini' which is known as 'fascism'. Somalis who call for Somalinimo are 'Fascists' they want to unite people who speak a common language and isolate the rest of the continent. That is the recipe for world war 2 in Africa, we don't need to repeat fascist and nationalist mistakes in Europe in Africa.

Kingdom of Eswatini intrigues me how an isolated kingdom from the known world is today a lower middle income country hovering at 5k per capita. Puntland with a far more sophisticated kingdom, located in the heart-land of historical maritime trade from ancient egpytians to greeks to romans to arabs to turks to british who ran this critical 'isle' or 'channel' that was trade corridor short-cut for europe-asia to do trade.

How can a Majerten kingdom that was influenced by all this sophistication become stuck in a Somalia with clans or lower sophistication who never achieved a kingdom, none of them are recognized by any nation like italy, oman, etc as any southern or northern kingdoms in Somalia they were given colonial status only even Berbera was an Ottoman colony, their was no Isaaq sophistication of administration.

They were wild people lets be real. Let them cry out 'we were kangz' all they want Somali clans but not a single nation verifies that for them like Majerten Kingdom.

We should look into a 'monarchy' and 'royal court of Isimo' for all the 'historical' Isimo like Islan Bashir, Islan Cise, Beeldaje, Garads of dhulbahante, Sultan of Warsangeli. We can even organize a heirachy based on 'longevity' of our respective kingdoms and become a 'united puntland emirates' with Makhir and SSC given Abu Dhabi and Sharjah status and Majerteniya given Dubai status.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Every non-darod clan especially Isaaq and Hawiye claim to be 'kings' but there is no colonial record indicating such thing but other wise that they were bunch of 'odayaal' like they are now in 'cafes'. Imagine Donald Trump arrives in your territory and sees your people in 'FKD' as 'elders' with no common administration, that's exactly what colonials saw with Isaaq and Hawiye ancestors, they would return to their huts 'defeated' as a clan. What's ironic u find no 'turkish, arabic, english, italian, french' all the foreigners who encountered Somalis.

They never said anything about Hawiye and Isaaq clans except they were 'elders, berberi, colonized'. If you go to Berbera and ask an Isaaq show me one achievement in architecture from Isaaq, he goes silent like a , he knows the architecture of Berbera is clearly ottoman designed. I hate clans who have no history trying to create one like boqor burhan attempted to do by attending a 'african kings' conference hosted by Gaddafi.

Like even I could've attended that conference of no 'legitimatcy' where anyone can declare a kingdom or boqor status with no 'chain' of historical kings, territory, governance, people, architecture, literature, writing scripts, etc. You need to see something of evidence of your kingdom, not just singing 'we wuz kangz' like the 'defeated' people with no history do like @embarassing

 

[Pioneer]

@DR OSMAN I like your interesting analysis on sspot, but remember when it comes to implementation
of the great ideas, the are no visionary Leaders in Somalia. Current Somali Leaders do not have vision
and they are there to line up their pockets as much as possible.

 

[Helios]

Every non-darod clan especially Isaaq and Hawiye claim to be 'kings' but there is no colonial record indicating such thing but other wise that they were bunch of 'odayaal' like they are now in 'cafes'. Imagine Donald Trump arrives in your territory and sees your people in 'FKD' as 'elders' with no common administration, that's exactly what colonials saw with Isaaq and Hawiye ancestors, they would return to their huts 'defeated' as a clan. What's ironic u find no 'turkish, arabic, english, italian, french' all the foreigners who encountered Somalis.

They never said anything about Hawiye and Isaaq clans except they were 'elders, berberi, colonized'. If you go to Berbera and ask an Isaaq show me one achievement in architecture from Isaaq, he goes silent like a , he knows the architecture of Berbera is clearly ottoman designed. I hate clans who have no history trying to create one like boqor burhan attempted to do by attending a 'african kings' conference hosted by Gaddafi.

Like even I could've attended that conference of no 'legitimatcy' where anyone can declare a kingdom or boqor status with no 'chain' of historical kings, territory, governance, people, architecture, literature, writing scripts, etc. You need to see something of evidence of your kingdom, not just singing 'we wuz kangz' like the 'defeated' people with no history do like @embarassing

What about the southern Sultanates? They were more powerful? The Ajuuran was infinitely more wealthy than Majeertenia and Mogadishu has historically been a major port. The Geledi were powerful and forced the Omanis to pay tribute and were ended by the Italians.

 

[Gadhwayne]

Welcome back man

Every non-darod clan especially Isaaq and Hawiye claim to be 'kings' but there is no colonial record indicating such thing but other wise that they were bunch of 'odayaal' like they are now in 'cafes'. Imagine Donald Trump arrives in your territory and sees your people in 'FKD' as 'elders' with no common administration, that's exactly what colonials saw with Isaaq and Hawiye ancestors, they would return to their huts 'defeated' as a clan. What's ironic u find no 'turkish, arabic, english, italian, french' all the foreigners who encountered Somalis.

They never said anything about Hawiye and Isaaq clans except they were 'elders, berberi, colonized'. If you go to Berbera and ask an Isaaq show me one achievement in architecture from Isaaq, he goes silent like a , he knows the architecture of Berbera is clearly ottoman designed. I hate clans who have no history trying to create one like boqor burhan attempted to do by attending a 'african kings' conference hosted by Gaddafi.

Like even I could've attended that conference of no 'legitimatcy' where anyone can declare a kingdom or boqor status with no 'chain' of historical kings, territory, governance, people, architecture, literature, writing scripts, etc. You need to see something of evidence of your kingdom, not just singing 'we wuz kangz' like the 'defeated' people with no history do like @embarassing

Shiikh Isxaaq was a new comer but there is lots of archeological proof for civilization in the North.

Can you cite evidence for your pre colonial Kningdom of Majeerteeniya? Let people who know about Muqdisho/Haawiye tell us about Muqdisho

@Céleste @Samaalic Era @SomaliWadaniSoldier @Macalin M

 

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What about the southern Sultanates? They were more powerful? The Ajuuran was infinitely more wealthy than Majeertenia and Mogadishu has historically been a major port. The Geledi were powerful and forced the Omanis to pay tribute and were ended by the Italians.

Is their actually any evidence the Geledi fought with the Omanis. By the time Suldaan Abdi Ibrahim crossed west of the river juba their was nothing but Gaalo Madow there. Ive seen evidence they paid tribute but I wonder where they fought and when.