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Let sit under the Somali tree and think outside the box

For many years, there has persisted a notion that the Somali state could be reconstituted under a government based in Mogadishu. Yet, for a multitude of reasons, this vision has never materialised. I shall not dwell excessively on the causes, though a few are worth noting. Firstly, the communities of Mogadishu have long displayed a certain aversion to structured governance. Secondly, the enduring threat shabaabistes has gravely undermined stability. Thirdly, corruption has taken deep root, eroding the very moral fabric of the city. It sometimes seems that the Somali soul itself has withered in Mogadishu.


nonetheless international donors continue to operate under the illusion that the state can be rebuilt from there is an illusion that all Somalis, deep down, recognise as impossible. Even the communities of Mogadishu themselves, in their hearts, understand this reality. Over the years, communities in the north east have repeatedly sought to revive governance in the south. The late Cabdullahi Yusuf colonel yey inkaarqabihi mudug joke he said that him self about him self, alahu naxariste and subsequently General Cadde used Puntland’s resources and influence to breathe life back into Mogadishu an act of genuine nobility. Yet now that those who consider themselves the “owners” of Mogadishu occupy the seat of power, they behave as though they are beyond accountability what sos ever indeed.


It is time to change the game. President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud thought he could reshape the rules by manipulating the constitution, but this strategy has failed. For years, Somalis believed that reconciliation between the Darood and Hawiye clans would revive the Somali nation, and that such unity might eventually extend to Somaliland, encompassing the Isaaq and Dir. However, this endeavour has not succeeded, for the Darood find it difficult to excel politically when dealing with the Hawiye. Conversely, the Darood have demonstrated far greater success and maturity when engaging with the Dir and Isaaq communities of Somaliland.


Though historical tensions between the Darood and Isaaq remain, these are primarily of a tribal nature and seldom extend into politics. Admittedly, there are disagreements concerning unity and secession, yet in recent years Puntland has shown remarkable political maturity by acknowledging that the Isaaq people have the right to pursue their own aspirations. This evolution in attitude marks a commendable step towards mutual respect.


Indeed, the Darood tend to thrive in their relations with the Isaaq. For Puntland, Somaliland represents an admirable example many of its best administrative and civic practices have been emulated from there. Conversely, Somalilanders, though capable, sometimes lack the dynamism and boldness what one might call kudhac that characterises the people of Puntland. Puntlanders possess a remarkable spirit of adventure, a willingness to act and to innovate. One need only observe how Garowe has been transformed from a small village into a flourishing capital to appreciate this industrious energy. Today, Puntland boasts three major urban hubs, four if we include Qardho. Garowe itself is a model of urban planning, from which cities in Somaliland could learn much.


Therefore, I propose that we set aside the endless entanglements with the Rahanweyn and Hawiye, and instead focus on forging a genuine partnership between Puntland and Somaliland. These two entities could form a parallel government in which both share equally each owning fifty percent of all national institutions and responsibilities. Such an arrangement would naturally resolve the Maakhir and Khatumo questions as well.


This new government could operate under a joint flag symbolising unity using elemets of the SL and Pl flag as a new flag , while allowing each region to retain its own state flag as a mark of identity. Leadership could alternate between the two regions every five years, with the presidency and premiership rotating accordingly every 5 years indeed..


i think could work in the long run lets think outside the box just for once, i also want puntland to absorb the entire galmudug in the long run this will make puntland multi tribal and Somaliland already being multi tribal if go by the Colonial bounderies between Somaliland and Puntland. So puntland will consist of Darood marexaan majeerteen leelkasle awrtable carab salax some warsnagalis habargedir Marexaan. and Dir. And Somaliland wll be Dir isaaq and some warsangali and dhulbahante , multi tribal , yet we have united the nation.
 
no i am not a Somalilander but i have respect for places such as Somaliland and places such as Puntland i am against anti governance
 

3LetterzMM

LG gang we gon slide for my nigga 🤐🥷
It’s not a bad idea on paper but there’s just too much history and bad blood at play for this to happen even if the respective govts approved it the locals would fight it to their last breath and splitting the power is it’s own problem even if it’s an equal split someone is always gonna want more or feel like they’re getting played.

The time for this would’ve been in 91 both sides suffered at the hands of the barre regime and could’ve bonded over that but that ship has long sailed. End of the day MJs are darood even if they aren’t politically aligned with them that’s how the isaaq view them it would never work.
 
the thing is the other daarood the ogaden and marexaan would not be a problem because the isaaq live not near them at all if they find a deal with puntland , there wont be a problem with the other darood its not like isaaq and ogaden and isaaq and marexaan have separate problems i believe isaaq and darood are closer to each othe in all aspect then darood and hawiye or hawiye and isaaq
 
the kacaan was a regime was it daarood that do the killng or was it a regime we need daarood to distance themselves from maxamad siyad barre regime once we make that distinction then we can heal the wounds and the longer it takes the better these wounds heal
 

DR OSMAN

AF NAAREED
VIP
the kacaan was a regime was it daarood that do the killng or was it a regime we need daarood to distance themselves from maxamad siyad barre regime once we make that distinction then we can heal the wounds and the longer it takes the better these wounds heal

How do we distance Darod or other rational non darod Somalis from Mohamed Siyad barre when nothing has come better then him? For every accusation against siyad barre, what makes it invalid is what the nation looks like without him post 91. U can cry all U want about siyad this and that but Somalis weren't refugees worldwide and the most failed people in modern humans history. Of course people will admire him and even worship him. Rationality and reason is with siyad barre where as emotional baggage is with his opposition(post 91 speaks Enuff about what they are without siyad barre). Some even argue siyad didn't come to power by spilling Somali blood like other failed politicians after him who were essentially warlords.
 

DR OSMAN

AF NAAREED
VIP
Siyad came to power in a bloodless coup, no civilian was harmed in the process, where as the rebels were thugs who wanted to come to power thru violence when what they should of done is taken power how siyad did without causing a scene or public harm.

I know what siyad was thinking cause I had access to people who were in his govt. They think your fucking xoolos rebel groups who couldn't even understand that basic political principle(reaching power without bloodshed) and even god forbidden their ass to form a state after siyad. They didn't play the game of power like the game was played by siyad and broke the rules.
 
For many years, there has persisted a notion that the Somali state could be reconstituted under a government based in Mogadishu. Yet, for a multitude of reasons, this vision has never materialised. I shall not dwell excessively on the causes, though a few are worth noting. Firstly, the communities of Mogadishu have long displayed a certain aversion to structured governance. Secondly, the enduring threat shabaabistes has gravely undermined stability. Thirdly, corruption has taken deep root, eroding the very moral fabric of the city. It sometimes seems that the Somali soul itself has withered in Mogadishu.


nonetheless international donors continue to operate under the illusion that the state can be rebuilt from there is an illusion that all Somalis, deep down, recognise as impossible. Even the communities of Mogadishu themselves, in their hearts, understand this reality. Over the years, communities in the north east have repeatedly sought to revive governance in the south. The late Cabdullahi Yusuf colonel yey inkaarqabihi mudug joke he said that him self about him self, alahu naxariste and subsequently General Cadde used Puntland’s resources and influence to breathe life back into Mogadishu an act of genuine nobility. Yet now that those who consider themselves the “owners” of Mogadishu occupy the seat of power, they behave as though they are beyond accountability what sos ever indeed.


It is time to change the game. President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud thought he could reshape the rules by manipulating the constitution, but this strategy has failed. For years, Somalis believed that reconciliation between the Darood and Hawiye clans would revive the Somali nation, and that such unity might eventually extend to Somaliland, encompassing the Isaaq and Dir. However, this endeavour has not succeeded, for the Darood find it difficult to excel politically when dealing with the Hawiye. Conversely, the Darood have demonstrated far greater success and maturity when engaging with the Dir and Isaaq communities of Somaliland.


Though historical tensions between the Darood and Isaaq remain, these are primarily of a tribal nature and seldom extend into politics. Admittedly, there are disagreements concerning unity and secession, yet in recent years Puntland has shown remarkable political maturity by acknowledging that the Isaaq people have the right to pursue their own aspirations. This evolution in attitude marks a commendable step towards mutual respect.


Indeed, the Darood tend to thrive in their relations with the Isaaq. For Puntland, Somaliland represents an admirable example many of its best administrative and civic practices have been emulated from there. Conversely, Somalilanders, though capable, sometimes lack the dynamism and boldness what one might call kudhac that characterises the people of Puntland. Puntlanders possess a remarkable spirit of adventure, a willingness to act and to innovate. One need only observe how Garowe has been transformed from a small village into a flourishing capital to appreciate this industrious energy. Today, Puntland boasts three major urban hubs, four if we include Qardho. Garowe itself is a model of urban planning, from which cities in Somaliland could learn much.


Therefore, I propose that we set aside the endless entanglements with the Rahanweyn and Hawiye, and instead focus on forging a genuine partnership between Puntland and Somaliland. These two entities could form a parallel government in which both share equally each owning fifty percent of all national institutions and responsibilities. Such an arrangement would naturally resolve the Maakhir and Khatumo questions as well.


This new government could operate under a joint flag symbolising unity using elemets of the SL and Pl flag as a new flag , while allowing each region to retain its own state flag as a mark of identity. Leadership could alternate between the two regions every five years, with the presidency and premiership rotating accordingly every 5 years indeed..


i think could work in the long run lets think outside the box just for once, i also want puntland to absorb the entire galmudug in the long run this will make puntland multi tribal and Somaliland already being multi tribal if go by the Colonial bounderies between Somaliland and Puntland. So puntland will consist of Darood marexaan majeerteen leelkasle awrtable carab salax some warsnagalis habargedir Marexaan. and Dir. And Somaliland wll be Dir isaaq and some warsangali and dhulbahante , multi tribal , yet we have united the nation.
it is a sensible proposal to demarcate the border and to cooperate and engage with the government of Somaliland, the regions of sool and sanaag need peace and both governments should work to make that a viable reality.

However you lost me at unification, we are profoundly different people and our political traditions and viewpoints are vastly different. But the notion of cooperation is most welcome.
 
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Mohamedamiin120

Marxist-Leninist, Somali (Galbeed).
the kacaan was a regime was it daarood that do the killng or was it a regime we need daarood to distance themselves from maxamad siyad barre regime once we make that distinction then we can heal the wounds and the longer it takes the better these wounds heal
You want us to distance ourselves from the last government to care about us Somalis? It never will happen!

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Mckenzie

We star in movies NASA pay to watch
VIP
Delusional, misinformed and masquerading tribal Darod talking points. Your intellectual dishonesty is typical of the Somali indho adeeg. How can you be so wrong and so loud about it? Get a fucking grip man.

For many years, there has persisted a notion that the Somali state could be reconstituted under a government based in Mogadishu. Yet, for a multitude of reasons, this vision has never materialised. I shall not dwell excessively on the causes, though a few are worth noting. Firstly, the communities of Mogadishu have long displayed a certain aversion to structured governance. Secondly, the enduring threat shabaabistes has gravely undermined stability. Thirdly, corruption has taken deep root, eroding the very moral fabric of the city. It sometimes seems that the Somali soul itself has withered in Mogadishu.

1. Mogadishu has better security and governance today than it did four years ago under Farmaajo. Just because there's no CBB fanfare, one doesn't need all that to know the communities of Xamar are vibrant, resilient, hardworking business people. Your xaasidnimo is so bleak and obvious the likes of you believe Mogadishu's private industry was funded by Turks while other Somali cities are "self made". Go learn who the WFP and the World Bank are and where they operate. Imagine believing the Turks built our cities scenic hotels and restaurants instead of public sectors like the Military and Health sectors.

2. The "communities" of Mogadishu founded the ICU which was the best grassroot structured anti corruption islamic regime since 1991. I would go as far as saying since 1960 but the only other non "corrupt" figure they face off against would be Aadan Cadde, suprise suprise a Hawiye figure.

3. The most corrupt regime in Somali history was that of Abdirashid and Egal. Two men representing the regions you been glazing in the whole thread. Their corruption was so rampant that 100+ parties participated in elections, we recieved the most aid in Africa by 1968-1969, the president was assasinated over a mere MPs chair and a coup had to happen to stop the corruption going further with the kursi madaxwayne almost being dumaaled by a relative of the slain president (Muuse Boqor). Egal was playing roulette with Somali taxpayers money while vote-buying went on for Villa Somalia.

4. Alshabaab were able to stage attacks in Kenya and Ethiopia. These insurgencies are a global phenomenom, but your clan lenses is disturbed but no worries, imma go clan for clan, pound for pound here.

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Who lives in Jubaland and Koonfur Galbeed? What is ISIS doing in PL to the point they tax local markets and foreign jets have to take off from Carmo (Bari) to rain rockets on mountain hideouts only a few dozen miles from their bases? What is the explanation of AS employing Dir/Isaaq figures as the face of their movement, who recieve open commisserations from Buurmadow and Dir elders and have their capital in Jilib and Jamaame where a large number of Dir congregrate?

nonetheless international donors continue to operate under the illusion that the state can be rebuilt from there is an illusion that all Somalis, deep down, recognise as impossible. Even the communities of Mogadishu themselves, in their hearts, understand this reality. Over the years, communities in the north east have repeatedly sought to revive governance in the south. The late Cabdullahi Yusuf colonel yey inkaarqabihi mudug joke he said that him self about him self, alahu naxariste and subsequently General Cadde used Puntland’s resources and influence to breathe life back into Mogadishu an act of genuine nobility. Yet now that those who consider themselves the “owners” of Mogadishu occupy the seat of power, they behave as though they are beyond accountability what sos ever indeed.

I really don't get your point here. For argument sake let's ignore the obvious elephant in the room (US-Ethiopian Occupation and subsequent AMISOM mission that prolonged the ethnic violence and generic mooryaanism that the ICU stamped out) and go with what you are saying. The Great Noble BuUnTland, who fOunDed TfG. Are you basically saying Federalism was coined by AY, therefore we are beholden and should be hostage to PL's interests? You do know PL has always wanted a bigger share of the pie than its sister states. So much for being statesmen lmfao. For the record Abdullahi Yusuf was once a Marxist in 1979, all he merely did was declare a rebel group and take a left where Afwayne took a right (Afwayne became a US ally). After the Civil War he took a left where others took a right (transitional government of Ali Mahdi and Abdiqasim). Infact one can even argue the real tenancy of Federalism belongs to Digil & Mirifle. They were Federalists before we were even a country. And the first group to declare a maamul goboleed was Shaatigaduud in 1995 before General Aidid invaded Baidoa again. Baidoa also became the capital of the TFG. Mind you Federalism was signed off in 2002-2003 by AY, Hiiraale, Hawiye Warlords and Digil y Mirifle under Kenya and Ethiopia's watch in Mbagathi. Mind you the TPLF had already federalised Ethiopia by then, so i'm not entirely sure why you seem to glaze PL so much. This is 2D thinking. Abdullahi Yusuf was not even the passionate Federalist you think he was. He got no crumbs from the Cairo conference in 1997 the last reconciliation conference he attended and then declared PL state in protest. He then used Ethiopian auxillaries to fend off his own cousins in Bosaso to keep his chair, then used PL as a ladder to win the kursi in Xamar, exactly what Deni is doing today.

It is time to change the game. President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud thought he could reshape the rules by manipulating the constitution, but this strategy has failed. For years, Somalis believed that reconciliation between the Darood and Hawiye clans would revive the Somali nation, and that such unity might eventually extend to Somaliland, encompassing the Isaaq and Dir. However, this endeavour has not succeeded, for the Darood find it difficult to excel politically when dealing with the Hawiye. Conversely, the Darood have demonstrated far greater success and maturity when engaging with the Dir and Isaaq communities of Somaliland.


Though historical tensions between the Darood and Isaaq remain, these are primarily of a tribal nature and seldom extend into politics. Admittedly, there are disagreements concerning unity and secession, yet in recent years Puntland has shown remarkable political maturity by acknowledging that the Isaaq people have the right to pursue their own aspirations. This evolution in attitude marks a commendable step towards mutual respect.

Stop saying Darod and Dir/Isaaq here and correct yourself nigga. Siyaasiyiin Majeerteen and Isaaq baa kulmay. For the record i support healthy opposition. Dir iyo Darod waa wiil iyo abtigiis, idinkoo heshiis ah aniga dan bay ii tahay. And there is nothing commendable about supporting self-determination in Somalia when it means secession, again intellectual dishonesty.

Therefore, I propose that we set aside the endless entanglements with the Rahanweyn and Hawiye, and instead focus on forging a genuine partnership between Puntland and Somaliland. These two entities could form a parallel government in which both share equally each owning fifty percent of all national institutions and responsibilities. Such an arrangement would naturally resolve the Maakhir and Khatumo questions as well.


This new government could operate under a joint flag symbolising unity using elemets of the SL and Pl flag as a new flag , while allowing each region to retain its own state flag as a mark of identity. Leadership could alternate between the two regions every five years, with the presidency and premiership rotating accordingly every 5 years indeed..


i think could work in the long run lets think outside the box just for once, i also want puntland to absorb the entire galmudug in the long run this will make puntland multi tribal and Somaliland already being multi tribal if go by the Colonial bounderies between Somaliland and Puntland. So puntland will consist of Darood marexaan majeerteen leelkasle awrtable carab salax some warsnagalis habargedir Marexaan. and Dir. And Somaliland wll be Dir isaaq and some warsangali and dhulbahante , multi tribal , yet we have united the nation.

Parallel government, anti Xamar blah blah keep that energy up i like it. But Hell freezes if you think that shit runs anywhere south of Gaalkacyo. Qibladaydii siyaasadeed waa Muqdisho, waa meel aan shalay madaxwayne kasoo noqday, waa meel walaalahayaga deganyihiin, kaalay walaalkaa ila cay walaalkaygana ila amaan waa habeenkii xalay oo tagay, i think that last paragraph was your worst proposal yet but overall very poor.
 
You are quite missing the point, dear lad Let us break it down clearly. Federalism was established and embraced by all Somalis; no one objected to it, nor did anyone claim they were coerced into accepting it. The Hawiye, too, adopted it willingly. To deny this fact would be disingenuous.


Moreover, the existence of multiple political partie indeed, even a hundred of them tribal may it be is a hallmark of democracy itself. Thus, to denigrate leaders such as Abdirashid and ina Cigaal is profoundly unfair. Abdirashid was a true statesman, admired and respected by Somalis across the nation. Likewise, Cigaal was a statesman of vision, who championed unity and worked tirelessly to bring the North into union with the rest of Somalia. He even sacrificed his own political position for the sake of that noble cause a gesture that spoke volumes of his sincerity and patriotism.


We must also remember that Mogadishu is not Somalia, and Somalia is not Mogadishu. The capital is but one small segment of a vast and diverse nation a segment that, tragically, seems afflicted by ailments that have proven most difficult to cure. you know it i know it the world know is that Mogadishu cannot lead Somalia, Somalia needs to move away from Mogadishu.


It is equally misleading to compare the Westgate attacks in Kenya to the relentless bombardment that Mogadishu endures at the hands of shabaabiste Kenya possesses functioning institutions of defence and governance; Somalia, has non .


Indeed, the very integrity of Somalia as a nation endures largely because of Puntland. Were Puntland to declare independence, the Somali state would all but collapse never again to unite or function as a cohesive whole. Puntland is, without question, the cornerstone of the republic far more stable, more enduring, and more prosperous than Galmudug, Jubaland, South West, or Hirshabelle. To compare those regions with Puntland is, quite frankly, an insult to puntland Puntland created galmudug remember when kimiko said what ever cadde says its true if cadde says u exist u exist if he says u dont exist u dont exist. For nearly thirty years, Puntland has stood as a functioning, peaceful state, steadily building its economy and institutions a model of what Somalia might yet aspire to become. Just imagine if Puntlanders were majority in Mogadishu how hopeful Somalia could have been , but we are unlucky ,another community not willing to govern not willing to let others govern is sitting in mogadishu. a city its own inhabbitans destroyed in a war. you have you self to blame dear lad.
 
We can try, but the low IQ will always sabotage us. You couldn't convince these people that coming together and united to build a country for the citizens is a good idea. Why? because their brains can't fathom such things.
 
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