Madhkhalis of Somalia
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Waa wax la yaab.
I used to be on the madkhali way, but after what happened with ikhwani muslimeen and the overthrowing of Morsi with the support of the Saudis...it really just opened my eyes to this brainwashing that is being done to pacify Muslims.
Ikhwaani muslimeen imo were a Muslim movement seeking to establish an Islamic government. In Egypt they went about that by using dacwa and recruiting supporters to become a political force that could take power through peaceful means. They tried to take on the system from within, but then you hear salafis saying they are ahlu bidca and that they should not be making political parties or taking part in Parliament or voting.
So if going through the existing political means is misguided and jihaad to establish an islamic state is terrrorism....then how can a muslim nation turn into reality the establishment of islamic based governments who represent them as Muslim people?
The Saudi madkhali doctrine is one that used 100% to secure the Royal family's seat in power.
In the video you posted subhanallah how are they saying " if the leader does zina on live TV and drinks alcohol that you still have to obey him"
Lool it reminds me of one time I was speaking to a salafi brother I know about Egypt changing...and he was like "yeah things are difficult for brothers who want to study there, and how if you have a beard or pray 5 daily prayers in the same masjid it can lead to you being locked up or getting deported from the country." So I was like Morsi shouldn't have been removed and that he was better than Sisi...wallahi I'm not joking my guy had a fit and said to me "what? Brother you have erred, Sisi no matter what is better than the ahlu bidca ikhwaani muslimeen." I just looked at him and thought if you continue this guy is going to call you a takfiri so I just smiled at him and kept it moving. Caqli madkhaalinta ku jiro ka waran?
Lol shaykh Xassan absolutely hates them and calls them salafi jadiidyo(neo-salafi). He is salafi, but unlike in the West the Salafi movement in Somalia is split into two different branches. Ictisaam which is the madkhali way and believes you have to obey the ruler no matter what they do or rule by, and itixaad which believes in establishing a shariah based state using political force and Jihad. They are both the same and kinda wish for the same goals but they differ in the use of Jihad as a means to achieve their goals.
I agree with many things shaykh Xassan says, but he also has controversial takes. For example, he says the Somali federal government is gaalo because they dont rule by Shariah, those who work with them are gaalo and that if you don't believe they are gaalo then you yourself have become gaal.
I haven't heard him come out in full support of Al shabaab, but he is the only Somali sheikh who has held the same position from the time of the Ethiopian invasion until now and sees Somalia as a country under foreign occupation.
Him and Sheikh Umal are sworn enemies despite both being from the Ogaden tribe lol
No, he hates them and is in the above video saying they are the worst lol.
Waa wax la yaab.
I used to be on the madkhali way, but after what happened with ikhwani muslimeen and the overthrowing of Morsi with the support of the Saudis...it really just opened my eyes to this brainwashing that is being done to pacify Muslims.
Ikhwaani muslimeen imo were a Muslim movement seeking to establish an Islamic government. In Egypt they went about that by using dacwa and recruiting supporters to become a political force that could take power through peaceful means. They tried to take on the system from within, but then you hear salafis saying they are ahlu bidca and that they should not be making political parties or taking part in Parliament or voting.
So if going through the existing political means is misguided and jihaad to establish an islamic state is terrrorism....then how can a muslim nation turn into reality the establishment of islamic based governments who represent them as Muslim people?
The Saudi madkhali doctrine is one that used 100% to secure the Royal family's seat in power.
In the video you posted subhanallah how are they saying " if the leader does zina on live TV and drinks alcohol that you still have to obey him"
Lool it reminds me of one time I was speaking to a salafi brother I know about Egypt changing...and he was like "yeah things are difficult for brothers who want to study there, and how if you have a beard or pray 5 daily prayers in the same masjid it can lead to you being locked up or getting deported from the country." So I was like Morsi shouldn't have been removed and that he was better than Sisi...wallahi I'm not joking my guy had a fit and said to me "what? Brother you have erred, Sisi no matter what is better than the ahlu bidca ikhwaani muslimeen." I just looked at him and thought if you continue this guy is going to call you a takfiri so I just smiled at him and kept it moving. Caqli madkhaalinta ku jiro ka waran?
Ictisaam are not madkhalis, they are different groups. The madkhalis are called jadiidiyo. For example, Sh Umal is known as ictisaam.
The more you understand and study islam the more you know that all these strands are just human interpretation based on what they think islam should be.
Of course you have extremist like ahamdiya which are not muslim. But everything else which I will include majority of shia are no different to sunni.
The both agree on quran what they differ in is bukhari. And there is no compulsion in following bukhari. Infact during the prophets time he forbade people writing hadiths even the early Khalifas forbade the writing of hadiths.
Hadiths is 200 years after the death of prophet Muhammad. Note bukhari according to bukhari heard 600,000 hadiths and only have 6,000 in his book. He rejected 99 percent of all hadiths he heard.
Another note I am not a hadith rejector. Just saying rejecting bukhari does not make you non Muslim.
Of course you have extremist like ahamdiya which are not muslim. But everything else which I will include majority of shia are no different to sunni.
The both agree on quran what they differ in is bukhari. And there is no compulsion in following bukhari. Infact during the prophets time he forbade people writing hadiths even the early Khalifas forbade the writing of hadiths.
Hadiths is 200 years after the death of prophet Muhammad. Note bukhari according to bukhari heard 600,000 hadiths and only have 6,000 in his book. He rejected 99 percent of all hadiths he heard.
Another note I am not a hadith rejector. Just saying rejecting bukhari does not make you non Muslim.
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Xasan has always supported Arsenal. One could go as far as saying he is their spiritual guide and mentor outside of Somalia. I am surprised the Kenyan gov has not shut him down or the Somali gov hasn’t pressured them to do so. Remember they got that Takeeye fellow extradited from Somalia.Sheikh Hassan controversially came out of support of the Dacish “caliphate” which is quite ironic as Dacish believe Shabab and Taliban are Gaalo.
All of these groups have the fudeyd which is rampant in Somali culture and a few pass off their worldly ambitions as religiously motivated.
Madkhalis are not that prominent in Somalia though. Ictisam is strong amongst the Harti and wider Darood. I heard they (madakhila) have grown around Burco area? I don’t think they will ever be successful in Somalia due to Somalis nature of fighting against oppression and our long links with anti xabashi expansion revolutionary thought. Some madkhalis came out in support of the MOU with Ethiopia but most people didn’t take them seriously.
@Galool, is there new age Salafiya madkhaliha rising in Somalia? I have seen a few videos of them promoting these pro Saudi Somali sheikhs I have never heard of.
Ictisaam is also prominent in Muqdisho, it is one of their hubs. They are the most widespread in Somalia generally. The Madkhalis are not prominent. I dont know too much about the internal dynamics in Somalia but from what I can see there are just a couple based in Hargeisa and who support the local government there, which is no surprise.
I also doubt they will ever become prominent in Somalia for the reasons you mentioned. madkhalis have been falling out of favour and the current genocide has exposed them to the wider community. If they didnt take hold up until now they never will.
I also did not know that about sh xassan, that is surprising.
In this thumbnail I recognize that two of them are from Hargeisa, one from Gaalkacyo and one from Muqdisho. But the one based in Muqdisho condemned those speaking negatively of Palestinians and their resistance so I am not sure of the details of the dispute with him.
There seems to be a recent surge due to outrage over the comments madkhalis have made against the Palestinians. It is good they are being exposed.
Ogaansho even made a video describing the zionist plot to create a greater israel.
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