Minister Juxa Powerful Statement On Mogadishu Status

[DR OSMAN]

Wasiir Juxa waxa uu ka hadlayi caruurta dhalatay 1992 wixii ka dameeyay magaran karaan wasiir Juxa waa shaqsi hadal yaqaan ah hadalkane meeshiisa dhiga... | By Hon Abdikadir Mohamed Ahmed | Facebook

Wasiir Juxa waxa uu ka hadlayi caruurta dhalatay 1992 wixii ka dameeyay magaran karaan wasiir Juxa waa shaqsi hadal yaqaan ah hadalkane meeshiisa dhiga...

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[DR OSMAN]

He made some powerful arguments about the civil war and looting of Somali govt and private assets and lives lost and how it may be counter productive to somali unity to have it as a capital.

He did say to HSM go and address your local grievances and Somali grievances, now that was stupid statement. Everything infrastructure built in Mogadishu yesterday, today, tommorow is carrying your Somali name not hawiye name, they act like it's some hawiye hanti lol, secondly I would point out to the Hamar folks if Somalis weren't there in Hamar g ovt. , U wud quickly revert to hirshabelle and galmudug situation lol.

So they gained way too many benefits not losses as the capital. Finally I will say what law was passed or referendum that Mogadishu is Somali people capital, it was forced on us by colonials, let's hold a true Somali capital competition and see what the Somali people will is not serve colonial interests from 100 years ago.

Let puntitequeen and her minister xaange bicidyahan be fooled by hawiye to hate darod, we maxamud salebaan know them better then you and what will happen to them if Somalis don't intervene in the capital, ma aha beel is bixin karo oo meel istaagi karo.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I'm going to rush to Somalia when the nation finally has the much needed discussion on Mogadishu status and spit some real factual venom and wake ppl up on all sides of somalis, what destroyed Hamar credibility is habar gedirs and the abgaals and murusade r not trying to preserve their interests even tho he kills them all of them all the time also nothing good came to them when habar gedirs tricked them that their indhaha hawiye lol

 

[AlteKartel]

The issue with tribal federalism is that you cannot have it both ways. Every inch of land in Somalia is claimed by one tribe or another. Therefore, moving the capital will not solve the issue of “unukah leh.” The only thing that will change is the lahjad of the people saying it. You also will not find a city in Somaliweyn more diverse than Xamar. Pretty much every flavor of Hawiye and RX live in and around the city. Reer Xamar have their own coastal districts. Many Isaaq and Daarod people live in Xamar for work and are not bothered by anyone.

If your grievances are about peoples’ land rights not being respected than you, me, and the majority of people are on the same page saaxib. Only an insane qabiilist would defend haram. The courts are getting better about awarding land to the owners of original documentation from the Siad Barre era and iA the wrongs will be righted. However, you’re going to have to accept that the capital will never be moved from Mogadishu. Pragmatically speaking, far too much money has been spent there and the country is too poor to develop the requisite infrastructure elsewhere. I would not be opposed to a develoved capital system where some other cities get federal gov institutions (e.g., a Supreme Court in Garowe or Bosaaso). If anything, if reer PL want to weaken the FGS relative to the FMS should support increasing Xamar’s independence.

 

[DR OSMAN]

The issue with tribal federalism is that you cannot have it both ways. Every inch of land in Somalia is claimed by one tribe or another. Therefore, moving the capital will not solve the issue of “unukah leh.” The only thing that will change is the lahjad of the people saying it. You also will not find a city in Somaliweyn more diverse than Xamar. Pretty much every flavor of Hawiye and RX live in and around the city. Reer Xamar have their own coastal districts. Many Isaaq and Daarod people live in Xamar for work and are not bothered by anyone.

If your grievances are about peoples’ land rights not being respected than you, me, and the majority of people are on the same page saaxib. Only an insane qabiilist would defend haram. The courts are getting better about awarding land to the owners of original documentation from the Siad Barre era and iA the wrongs will be righted. However, you’re going to have to accept that the capital will never be moved from Mogadishu. Pragmatically speaking, far too much money has been spent there and the country is too poor to develop the requisite infrastructure elsewhere. I would not be opposed to a develoved capital system where some other cities get federal gov institutions (e.g., a Supreme Court in Garowe or Bosaaso). If anything, if reer PL want to weaken the FGS relative to the FMS should support increasing Xamar’s independence.

It's not just the unukah leh values which as U know is inconsistent and not serving Somali unity but hurting it more, forget those values but the brunt of the civil war was in Mogadishu between hawiye mostly, they need reconciling and noone in the damn nation has the balls to say it. No other area in Somalia is living in looted Somali property except Hamar, it's only this city, at least we agree there.

As for moving the capital I'm not saying let's move it but hold a Somali capital competition, reward areas who can separate their clan interest and national responsibility and I'm certain any area in PL can do that and even parts of Somaliland like Erigavo who already have a strong national case they can hold multi clans in peace due to wise elders and we need that type of guarantees socially.

As capital U will lose 100 sq metres of your clan territory maximum which will be dedicated as federal territory, which is nothing in return for far greater benefits of hosting the federal govt. Politics is about trade offs, noone gets everything they want. That's why I know puntites wud jump at the proposition. I agree tho if the federal territory starts to sprawl or expand eating to much clan land for federation responsibility then we demand they build up into the sky and use less land mass.

Same thing will happen in Garowe where sub clans will finally say we not losing more lands and the govt will need to force people to built high using limited land plots.

 

[AlteKartel]

It's not just the unukah leh values which as U know is inconsistent and not serving Somali unity but hurting it more, forget those values but the brunt of the civil war was in Mogadishu between hawiye mostly, they need reconciling and noone in the damn nation has the balls to say it. No other area in Somalia is living in looted Somali property except Hamar, it's only this city, at least we agree there.

As for moving the capital I'm not saying let's move it but hold a Somali capital competition, reward areas who can separate their clan interest and national responsibility and I'm certain any area in PL can do that and even parts of Somaliland like Erigavo who already have a strong national case they can hold multi clans in peace due to wise elders and we need that type of guarantees socially.

As capital U will lose 100 sq metres of your clan territory maximum which will be dedicated as federal territory, which is nothing in return for far greater benefits of hosting the federal govt. Politics is about trade offs, noone gets everything they want. That's why I know puntites wud jump at the proposition.

I agree with the notion that reconciliation needs to happen. But that’s not just between Hawiye but between all Somali clans. Good faith acceptance of the past and deciding to do better has not happened since the civil war and it’s the biggest thing holding us back. Look at what Rwanda did with Gacaca. Somalis are too prideful for that to happen.

Competition wouldn’t be a bad idea if we were building a country from scratch but we are not. Xamar will be the capital of Somalia until Somalia collapses. I do think it is a good idea to move as much of the FGS as makes sense into other cities though. For example the Supreme Court of the country being somewhere in the north would be an idea I support as the infrastructure for a courts system hasn’t been built yet.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I agree with the notion that reconciliation needs to happen. But that’s not just between Hawiye but between all Somali clans. Good faith acceptance of the past and deciding to do better has not happened since the civil war and it’s the biggest thing holding us back. Look at what Rwanda did with Gacaca. Somalis are too prideful for that to happen.

Competition wouldn’t be a bad idea if we were building a country from scratch but we are not. Xamar will be the capital of Somalia until Somalia collapses. I do think it is a good idea to move as much of the FGS as makes sense into other cities though. For example the Supreme Court of the country being somewhere in the north would be an idea I support as the infrastructure for a courts system hasn’t been built yet.

All the clan territory U lose as capital can be check mated in your favour, you tell Somali federal govt this is how much land we allow you to use as federal territory and don't dare expand or sprawl from that point, it's up to you how well U use that land plots and build high into the sky to address limited land. Garowe will eventually start to do this also. I know what U mean a clan losing all his territories isn't a wise trade off but U can find ways to limit the land loss by your local elders telling the govt what land is federal and what land isnt.

 

[Tiyeglow]

As long as Xamar is the de jure capital Hawiye will be relevant. PL today is still a long way away from Xamar given its concentration of economic capital. However what we do have is peace & stability. I remember my elder relatives used to tell me that during Xamar pre-91, every other building was MJ.

But we live in a different era, Hawiye are like the working class whites who got rich quick and just spending their money recklessly and have a bloated ego forgetting history's cyclical nature, one day your on top and tomorrow your not. Difference is what you benefit the people when you are on top, which their (lack of) history proves it is very little, without the aide and hand being held by Mj's

 

[DR OSMAN]

As long as Xamar is the de jure capital Hawiye will be relevant. PL today is still a long way away from Xamar given its concentration of economic capital. However what we do have is peace & stability. I remember my elder relatives used to tell me that during Xamar pre-91, every other building was MJ.

But we live in a different era, Hawiye are like the working class whites who got rich quick and just spending their money recklessly and have a bloated ego forgetting history's cyclical nature, one day your on top and tomorrow your not. Difference is what you benefit the people when you are on top, which their (lack of) history proves it is very little, without the aide and hand being held by Mj's

I disagree with that our gdp is concentrated in livestock, fishery, frankincense, agriculture not cities if U took those elements away from Somalia U wud be left with 100 business ppl with a few million each lol.

Secondly if their so wealthy why r they the only clan who does isbaaro, that's not what rich ppl do which no other clan does cause their not as hungry is my conclusion. Somalis don't understand economies is about the majority wealth not the few lol. Lastly why r they always try to harm Puntland isma waydiso miyaa, we don't do shit to them not care cause we know their reality.

You said hawiye is relevant due to the capital I only wish they were but reality is they are always an obstacle to other clans who they fear will leave them behind because they know themselves deep down. I suspect their not landheere because how can U sit in the capital and misuse it for 30 years to the point the whole nation is sick of them and fleeing to their own homelands, do U really think if landheere mj was there that would happen . Hamar don't deserve the capital they don't help Somali unity but harm it.

Puntland is building cities from scratch ask any economist the value of that compared to a few towers in Hamar, your a very mistaken kid, hags can't do that or GM n hs ayaad Arik lahayd who were more developed then PL prior to the 90s.

I'm telling U once PL opens up stock market and listing businesses to the public to buy shares, watch how they take over Somalia, shacabkooda ayaa aad uu dhisan heerka dhexe.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Ive noticed these non darod clans are like socially inferior and their not much different when it comes to giving them power, you can't trust them to look after Somali dignity and interest. You got hawiye who for 30 years can't organise themselves p so all they resort to is let's stop other clans like PL from succeeding, ka waran siyasad xumadasi lol and U wonder why I think their socially inferior.

Same with isaaqs orodo tag noone is begging U in Somalia but U will not take harti land, they don't want secession either it's all bluffs or else they wouldn't include harti areas in their project they only did knowing it would lead to conflict with their ruling class.

Somalis don't fool me they may fool you but I'm like this with them