Mogadishu And Somaliland Leaders. The Game Is Over

[DR OSMAN]

I urge strongly Mogadishu and Somaliland leaders, really update yourselves, this old generation of darods are going to die out who think playing politically correct in public is smart politics with no results tho, their already old, the asad diyaano era is slowly entering now and his generation are in the diaspora who are born in the west. They don't play games, they see it as time waste and will expose you to your own people how your leaders are careless, out of touch with post 91 to 2024 environment, and want to settle silly scores.

You won't be able use the darod boogeyman on your diaspora kids either as they will not be blind saying these darods just want everyone to rule their land and share what's shared nationally. They don't get a damn thing in federalism unique to them, infact they suffer in it, taking a huge loss by accepting 4.5 which really does benefit hawiye and dir and was crafted for that reason in Carta Djibouti the political homeland of irir.

These type of concessions by darod is done on the assumation harming darod is the only way Somalis can move forward. Anyways I know for a fact you won't be able to lie to your foreign diaspora who will just look at the evidence not your empty words. But what will ultimately crush you irir guys is, you seek some Genghis Khan outcome of winner and loser and your people are not blind as they can see their no winner and loser but a stalemate, they will gravitate towards federalism which is the only solution In a stalemate nation.

As for your own differences between hawiye and isaaq which I think is undervalued but is probably the centre of the issue. You guys need to settle your scores. Isaaq need to forgive hawiye for sending Abdulrahman Tuur to cause civil war, hatred and division in Isaaq till today, hawiye need to forgive Isaaq for getting revenge thru Shabab on them. Both need to stop the animosity immediately. Stop hiding centralism in your back pocket hawiye like you did in Cairo conference to send a message to SNM, everyone is under Mogadishu.

You guys sent Abdulrahman Tuur plus Cairo conference to combat their secession, why? Cause they reached a decision on secession after the infighting between Ali Mahdi and Aideed? Either way Isaaq stop holding secession card in fear hawiye is holding centralism card on you. Either way U will ultimately settle on a bromance of two twin cities in a north and south federation while controlling 90 cities and you both may even use your overwhelming 122 MPs that IOG set up for you in anticipation for that great samaale day.

As for this Shabab, ICU, 4.5 set up in irir favor, economic isolation of PL and JL and new continuous shaatis are getting so old and boring. We know the terrorists whether ICU or Shabab hold onto centralism or irirism with an Islamic twist only. You guys need to really stop running around switching tactics and holding the Somali people hostage to an outrageous idea which even your diaspora born people will plead with you guys, stop pursuing winner and loser politics in Somalia it only extends the stalemate and suffering of the Somali people. They are not dumb either they know darods don't enjoy anything in federalism that others don't get, which is sensible politics. Be on the right side of history and accept federalism for all clans not for certain clans as you guys are desperately pursuing.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Everyone knows in Somalia, Darod is used as a useful enemy, everyone is very loud about them, but that's when U know it's a jambal, a deeper animosity is the shitshow concealed and hidden like the shit show between hawiye and isaaq, don't think we don't know either. It's these two clans holding Somalia back with Genghis Khan type of politics in their back pocket such as secession and centralism but ultimately will bromance on an irir federation which IOG desperately desires and has set up parliament to favor them with 122 MPs between hawiye and dir. Irir waqti badan ayaa Laga Soo shaqaynaye, I doubt they will tanasul to common sense and reason which is federalism for all not for some.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

I urge strongly Mogadishu and Somaliland leaders, really update yourselves, this old generation of darods are going to die out who think playing politically correct in public is smart politics with no results tho, their already old, the asad diyaano era is slowly entering now and his generation are in the diaspora who are born in the west. They don't play games, they see it as time waste and will expose you to your own people how your leaders are careless, out of touch with post 91 to 2024 environment, and want to settle silly scores.

You won't be able use the darod boogeyman on your diaspora kids either as they will not be blind saying these darods just want everyone to rule their land and share what's shared nationally. They don't get a damn thing in federalism unique to them, infact they suffer in it, taking a huge loss by accepting 4.5 which really does benefit hawiye and dir and was crafted for that reason in Carta Djibouti the political homeland of irir.

These type of concessions by darod is done on the assumation harming darod is the only way Somalis can move forward. Anyways I know for a fact you won't be able to lie to your foreign diaspora who will just look at the evidence not your empty words. But what will ultimately crush you irir guys is, you seek some Genghis Khan outcome of winner and loser and your people are not blind as they can see their no winner and loser but a stalemate, they will gravitate towards federalism which is the only solution In a stalemate nation.

As for your own differences between hawiye and isaaq which I think is undervalued but is probably the centre of the issue. You guys need to settle your scores. Isaaq need to forgive hawiye for sending Abdulrahman Tuur to cause civil war, hatred and division in Isaaq till today, hawiye need to forgive Isaaq for getting revenge thru Shabab on them. Both need to stop the animosity immediately. Stop hiding centralism in your back pocket hawiye like you did in Cairo conference to send a message to SNM, everyone is under Mogadishu.

You guys sent Abdulrahman Tuur plus Cairo conference to combat their secession, why? Cause they reached a decision on secession after the infighting between Ali Mahdi and Aideed? Either way Isaaq stop holding secession card in fear hawiye is holding centralism card on you. Either way U will ultimately settle on a bromance of two twin cities in a north and south federation while controlling 90 cities and you both may even use your overwhelming 122 MPs that IOG set up for you in anticipation for that great samaale day.

As for this Shabab, ICU, 4.5 set up in irir favor, economic isolation of PL and JL and new continuous shaatis are getting so old and boring. We know the terrorists whether ICU or Shabab hold onto centralism or irirism with an Islamic twist only. You guys need to really stop running around switching tactics and holding the Somali people hostage to an outrageous idea which even your diaspora born people will plead with you guys, stop pursuing winner and loser politics in Somalia it only extends the stalemate and suffering of the Somali people. They are not dumb either they know darods don't enjoy anything in federalism that others don't get, which is sensible politics. Be on the right side of history and accept federalism for all clans not for certain clans as you guys are desperately pursuing.

You have to convince the powers that be. But right now they support HSM centralisation and some support Somaliland, these stocks are going up. Federalism is on the decline right now it' stock is going down, it might go to zero and be worthless but we aren't there yet, you can still bounce back. You would be correct if you sense the moment for federalism has passed, it's window of opportunity to become the dominant political view.

You can give up if you want but that's as likely as HSM letting you have autonomy or Somaliland joining federalism.

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

give it a break man

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Itsnotthateasy

I know what your like your old school snm and ur horrified darod even is in this political discussion and creeped in due to hawiye and isaaq in a stalemate over centralism and secession and u see Abdillahi Yusuf throwing in a federal spanner In 2004 and your like how in the world can this happen, usc n snm the victors post civil war who are now hostage to abdillahi yusuf federal deal where all clans retreat to their territory, self rule, cutting their losses, and sharing national or federal duties.

I know that's sounds horrific to you as a SNM, an even system for all clans since you do hold onto a Genghis Khan winner and loser politics.

Your hoping Hawiye stops throwing the centralism card to hold everyone hostage to Mogadishu and will sign the bromance deal of twin capitals under irir north and south with 90 towns held hostage to 2 cities. You both agree on one thing which is usc and snm won the civil war and the spoils darods and rahanwayn must fall under their mercy.

There is definitely common ground there between you two to hold doscussions on some shared principle. It's just when secession on isaaq side and centralism on hawiye side is thrown at each other leading to the break down of irir samaale which I cheered like crazy but IOG is trying to rebirth it by giving hawiye n dir 122 mps using a 4.5 clan parliament. His waiting to sign the bromance in Djibouti between hawiye and isaaq but then darods will flip and ensure a breakdown happens again so Federalism for all is seen as the only solution due to a never-ending stalemate.

 

[DR OSMAN]

You have to convince the powers that be. But right now they support HSM centralisation and some support Somaliland, these stocks are going up. Federalism is on the decline right now it' stock is going down, it might go to zero and be worthless but we aren't there yet, you can still bounce back. You would be correct if you sense the moment for federalism has passed, it's window of opportunity to become the dominant political view.

You can give up if you want but that's as likely as HSM letting you have autonomy or Somaliland joining federalism.

So HSM will centralise as Faisal ali waraabe keeps firing shots at hawiye about how dare u have 5 govts in the south, it's the pain in isaaq the darod are resurrecting. Hawiye shoot back how dare Khatumo and Makhir and PL are outside OOG and Erigavo. The HAGS then say u of all ppl have no rite to abuse hawiye u damn isaaq and then he throws centralism card at u and u fire back with secession allowing for darod to resurrect. So both of u only agree in spirit the victors are usc and snm but u always break down into infighting on political solutions other then that bromance of irir samaale.

Who can deny hawiye n isaaq agree on spirit of usc n snm are the victors but that's pointless cuz when they negiotate it turns into a shit show of centralism and secession. It's gotten so bad some isaaq say their better off with Ethiopia to hawiye action group people and hawiye silently see their victorious giggling behind the scenes and arguing maximum pressure on snm. But then that fat f*ck IOG comes to the rescue if it gets out of control selling them the bromance irir samaale dream.

So u both agreed let isaaq centralise his region and fight these Dhulos and Warsans and PL and even Awdal and usc u centralise your region fighting those darod mamuls, you assume you guys got 122 mps anyways thru iog careful irir stroke at carta Djibouti conference also. U know once the north and south is centralised its easier to discuss that twin capital north and south deal right?

Well tell these naive darods at least why is it I need to tell them, u tell them directly your the spoils of the war not a stakeholder and the victor is usc n snm and we work to seek a samaale bromance in the end.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Hawiye Action Group, knows their winning on a Mogadishu first centralism, sent abdulrahman tuur into the north leading to snm civil war and subsequent 30 year hostility. Came out of Cairo with Aideed and Mahdi telling SNM, Somalia is a one clan show.

They Laugh and giggle when Isaaq say ethiopians are closer to me then Mogadishu. Hawiye action group hold a summit to continue the maximum pressure on SNM.

Hawiye action group cayaar ma aha which these clowns SNM don't see. The only time they retreat is when IOG summons them on irir samaale and even then noone knows if just short term ceasefire before they go back hawiye first politics. Isaaqs are definitely not sure and u can see Faisal ali waraabe and Muse bihi 90% of their attacks are on Mogadishu because they know their all brutal marching together for glory.

Anyone who takes Hawiye action group lightly, waa qof naftisa been uu sheegay. The crowned Hawiye eyes and ears indhaha hawiye is Habar Gedir especially regarding darod and snm and rahanwayn and outside clans of hawiye, abgaal does the more internal hawiye stuff thru their imam abgaal.

I know my maternal abtis are set up in their clan goals

I just argue Federalism works for all not for some but I'm singing to the deaf, they don't wanna hear and prefer hawiye action group Mogadishu first politics.

 

[DR OSMAN]

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give it a break man

I know bro its hard pills to swallow but without deep and hard talk, your not leaving a civil war Somalia behind, u don't just move on after a civil war thru distractions on foreigners or trying to resuscitate 1960 idealism, u just end up going to the grave while they keep marching towards eventual extinction.

I know it's a somali culture or value not to do deep and hard talk and it's just all superficial empty rheteroics which they entertain, I would entertain it also if it actually delivered any results and seeing it hasn't I've adopted realism and transparency as best method to political discourse, no holds barred, everything put on the table about clan objectives behind the scene. I'm prepared to take the fall tho for it but as long as they can move forward that's my only goal. I'm a true wadani at heart if I wasn't I wouldn't do this type of information to wake ppl up from the deep coma their in and chasing the never-ending jambals and shaatis la soo gashanayo because their is deeper clan objectives behind it all.

Trust me I Know my clan they just wanna cutt their losses, everyone focus on their territory, no behind the scene shit here, and in worst case scenarios I know how they are they will always take a bad deal for a greater peace. They really don't care for much but Somalis restore their glory first and foremost. They are not the obstacle if they were id be the first to blast them I'm not saying they don't have bad values like other Somalis especially not feeling comfortable with other clans in power but this is due to never seeing any positive ever come from them only negative.

Where as with darod whatever narrative u accept but their always positive and negative when they rule as we see with how they built Mogadishu neglecting their own lands and invested in the north. They don't see this sort of balance with hawiye or isaaq, it's always negative, negative, negative and they rush to conclusions nothing is coming from there to even balance ppl into positive and negative. So their already programmed your a nasty ppl by nature and don't give any of ur leaders the benefit of the doubt, I don't blame that there is no evidence for any positive u guys bring. I mean at least change the chapter and show some positivity so ppl there can actually go into a debate but nope.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@CABDULWALI XASAN.

Don't worry these type of topics are not for the faint of hearted or daily event ppl(shaatiyo iyo jambal la turayo), it's for ppl who want to know issues at a more root cause not superficial level.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

@Itsnotthateasy

I know what your like your old school snm and ur horrified darod even is in this political discussion and creeped in due to hawiye and isaaq in a stalemate over centralism and secession and u see Abdillahi Yusuf throwing in a federal spanner In 2004 and your like how in the world can this happen, usc n snm the victors post civil war who are now hostage to abdillahi yusuf federal deal where all clans retreat to their territory, self rule, cutting their losses, and sharing national or federal duties.

I know that's sounds horrific to you as a SNM, an even system for all clans since you do hold onto a Genghis Khan winner and loser politics.

Your hoping Hawiye stops throwing the centralism card to hold everyone hostage to Mogadishu and will sign the bromance deal of twin capitals under irir north and south with 90 towns held hostage to 2 cities. You both agree on one thing which is usc and snm won the civil war and the spoils darods and rahanwayn must fall under their mercy.

There is definitely common ground there between you two to hold doscussions on some shared principle. It's just when secession on isaaq side and centralism on hawiye side is thrown at each other leading to the break down of irir samaale which I cheered like crazy but IOG is trying to rebirth it by giving hawiye n dir 122 mps using a 4.5 clan parliament. His waiting to sign the bromance in Djibouti between hawiye and isaaq but then darods will flip and ensure a breakdown happens again so Federalism for all is seen as the only solution due to a never-ending stalemate.

You guys done well and you sold your state model to the powers that be. You put yourselves in the conversation and Somaliland got put in the freezer until a later date.

I don't know what the general consensus is but I don't trust those USC. I don't think they will have an ultimate victory but it's useful that federalism takes a serious damaging blow for the time being/permenantly. We don't want anymore of that.