No Genetic Reason to Discourage Cousin Marriage, Study Finds

Contrary to widely held beliefs and longstanding taboos in America, first cousins can safely have children together, without a great risk of birth defects or genetic disease, scientists are reporting today. They say there is no biological reason to discourage cousins from marrying.

First cousins are somewhat more likely than unrelated parents to have a child with a serious birth defect, but scientists say the risk is not large. In the general population, the risk that a child will be born with a major birth defect, like spina fida, is 3 to 4 percent; to that background risk, first cousins must add another 1.7 to 2.8 percentage points, the researchers said.

Although the increase represents almost a doubling of the risk, since the background risk is small to begin with, the result is still not considered large enough to discourage people from having children, geneticists say. And they point out that no one questions the right of other people with far higher levels of risk to have children. For example, people with Huntington's disease, a severe neurological disorder, have a 50 percent chance of passing the disease to their children.

The researchers, convened by the National Society of Genetic Counselors, based their conclusions on a review of six major studies conducted from 1965 to August 2000, involving many thousands of births.

For first cousins, "there is a slightly increased risk, but in terms of general risks in life it's not very high," said Dr. Arno Motulsky, a professor emeritus of medicine and genome sciences at the University of Washington, and the senior author of the report, being published today in The Journal of Genetic Counseling.

Dr. Motulsky said that medical geneticists had known for a long time that there was little or no harm in cousins' marrying and having children.

"Somehow, this hasn't become general knowledge," Dr. Motulsky said. "Among the public and physicians there's a feeling it's real bad and brings a lot of disease, and there's a lot of social and legal disapproval."

Thirty states have laws forbidding first cousins to marry, but no countries in Europe have such prohibitions, and in parts of the Middle East, Africa and Asia, marriages between cousins are considered preferable. "In some parts of the world," the report says, "20 to 60 percent of all marriages are between close biological relatives."

Dr. Motulsky said the American laws against cousin marriage should be abolished, because they are based in part on the mistaken belief that the children of such parents will suffer from terrible physical and mental illnesses.

"They are ancient laws in terms of thinking it's really bad," he said. "The data show it isn't that bad. There shouldn't be a law that you can't marry your cousin."

The article says, "Romantic relationships between cousins are not infrequent in the United States and Canada." But many cousins who marry or live together keep their family ties a secret because of the stigma, so the frequency of such unions is not known. Estimates of marriages between related people, which include first cousins and more distant ones, range from less than 0.1 percent of the general population to 1.5 percent. In the past, small studies have found much higher rates in some areas: a survey in 1942 found 18.7 percent in a small town in Kentucky, and a 1980 study found 33 percent in a Mennonite community in Kansas.

The report made a point of saying that the term "incest" should not be applied to cousins, but only to sexual relations between siblings or between parents and children. Babies who result from those unions are thought to be at significantly higher risk of genetic problems, the report said, but there is not enough data to be sure.

The new report says genetic counselors should advise cousins who want to have children together in much the same way they advise everybody else, and that no extra genetic tests are required before conception. The guidelines urge counselors to take a thorough family history and, as they do for all patients, look for any inherited diseases that might run in the family or in the patients' ethnic group, and order tests accordingly.

During pregnancy, the woman should have the standard blood tests used to screen for certain neurological problems and other disorders, and an ultrasound exam.

As a newborn, the baby should be tested for deafness and certain metabolic diseases — tests already given to all newborns in some parts of the country — which are among the conditions that may be slightly more likely to occur in children whose parents are cousins. Some of the metabolic problems are treatable, and children with hearing losses do better if they get help early in life.

Dr. Motulsky said the panel of experts began working on the cousin question about two years ago after a survey of counselors found a lot of variability — and misinformation — in the advice given to people who wanted to know whether cousins could safely have children together.

The president-elect of the counselors' group, Robin L. Bennett, who is a co-author of the report and a genetic counselor at the University of Washington, said: "Just this week I saw a 23-year-old woman whose parents were cousins, and she was told to have a tubal ligation, which she did at the age 21, because of the risk to her children. And there's no risk to her children. People are getting this information from small-town doctors who may not know the risk, don't have access to this information and just assume it's a big risk."

Rest of the article - https://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/03/...o-discourage-cousin-marriage-study-finds.html
 

bobsburger

I am NOT a federal agent
Contrary to widely held beliefs and longstanding taboos in America, first cousins can safely have children together, without a great risk of birth defects or genetic disease, scientists are reporting today. They say there is no biological reason to discourage cousins from marrying.

First cousins are somewhat more likely than unrelated parents to have a child with a serious birth defect, but scientists say the risk is not large. In the general population, the risk that a child will be born with a major birth defect, like spina fida, is 3 to 4 percent; to that background risk, first cousins must add another 1.7 to 2.8 percentage points, the researchers said.

Although the increase represents almost a doubling of the risk, since the background risk is small to begin with, the result is still not considered large enough to discourage people from having children, geneticists say. And they point out that no one questions the right of other people with far higher levels of risk to have children. For example, people with Huntington's disease, a severe neurological disorder, have a 50 percent chance of passing the disease to their children.

The researchers, convened by the National Society of Genetic Counselors, based their conclusions on a review of six major studies conducted from 1965 to August 2000, involving many thousands of births.

For first cousins, "there is a slightly increased risk, but in terms of general risks in life it's not very high," said Dr. Arno Motulsky, a professor emeritus of medicine and genome sciences at the University of Washington, and the senior author of the report, being published today in The Journal of Genetic Counseling.

Dr. Motulsky said that medical geneticists had known for a long time that there was little or no harm in cousins' marrying and having children.

"Somehow, this hasn't become general knowledge," Dr. Motulsky said. "Among the public and physicians there's a feeling it's real bad and brings a lot of disease, and there's a lot of social and legal disapproval."

Thirty states have laws forbidding first cousins to marry, but no countries in Europe have such prohibitions, and in parts of the Middle East, Africa and Asia, marriages between cousins are considered preferable. "In some parts of the world," the report says, "20 to 60 percent of all marriages are between close biological relatives."

Dr. Motulsky said the American laws against cousin marriage should be abolished, because they are based in part on the mistaken belief that the children of such parents will suffer from terrible physical and mental illnesses.

"They are ancient laws in terms of thinking it's really bad," he said. "The data show it isn't that bad. There shouldn't be a law that you can't marry your cousin."

The article says, "Romantic relationships between cousins are not infrequent in the United States and Canada." But many cousins who marry or live together keep their family ties a secret because of the stigma, so the frequency of such unions is not known. Estimates of marriages between related people, which include first cousins and more distant ones, range from less than 0.1 percent of the general population to 1.5 percent. In the past, small studies have found much higher rates in some areas: a survey in 1942 found 18.7 percent in a small town in Kentucky, and a 1980 study found 33 percent in a Mennonite community in Kansas.

The report made a point of saying that the term "incest" should not be applied to cousins, but only to sexual relations between siblings or between parents and children. Babies who result from those unions are thought to be at significantly higher risk of genetic problems, the report said, but there is not enough data to be sure.

The new report says genetic counselors should advise cousins who want to have children together in much the same way they advise everybody else, and that no extra genetic tests are required before conception. The guidelines urge counselors to take a thorough family history and, as they do for all patients, look for any inherited diseases that might run in the family or in the patients' ethnic group, and order tests accordingly.

During pregnancy, the woman should have the standard blood tests used to screen for certain neurological problems and other disorders, and an ultrasound exam.

As a newborn, the baby should be tested for deafness and certain metabolic diseases — tests already given to all newborns in some parts of the country — which are among the conditions that may be slightly more likely to occur in children whose parents are cousins. Some of the metabolic problems are treatable, and children with hearing losses do better if they get help early in life.

Dr. Motulsky said the panel of experts began working on the cousin question about two years ago after a survey of counselors found a lot of variability — and misinformation — in the advice given to people who wanted to know whether cousins could safely have children together.

The president-elect of the counselors' group, Robin L. Bennett, who is a co-author of the report and a genetic counselor at the University of Washington, said: "Just this week I saw a 23-year-old woman whose parents were cousins, and she was told to have a tubal ligation, which she did at the age 21, because of the risk to her children. And there's no risk to her children. People are getting this information from small-town doctors who may not know the risk, don't have access to this information and just assume it's a big risk."

Rest of the article - https://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/03/...o-discourage-cousin-marriage-study-finds.html
What Allah has made halal is never bad for us.
 
How is doubling the chance for birth defects not a good reason for not having a kid with your first cousin? From your own article it makes a child have a 4.7%-6.8% chance of having a major birth defect. At the very least get a second cousin, cant believe im saying that lol.
 

Ras

It's all so tiresome
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Contrary to widely held beliefs and longstanding taboos in America, first cousins can safely have children together, without a great risk of birth defects or genetic disease, scientists are reporting today. They say there is no biological reason to discourage cousins from marrying.

First cousins are somewhat more likely than unrelated parents to have a child with a serious birth defect, but scientists say the risk is not large. In the general population, the risk that a child will be born with a major birth defect, like spina fida, is 3 to 4 percent; to that background risk, first cousins must add another 1.7 to 2.8 percentage points, the researchers said.

Although the increase represents almost a doubling of the risk, since the background risk is small to begin with, the result is still not considered large enough to discourage people from having children, geneticists say. And they point out that no one questions the right of other people with far higher levels of risk to have children. For example, people with Huntington's disease, a severe neurological disorder, have a 50 percent chance of passing the disease to their children.

The researchers, convened by the National Society of Genetic Counselors, based their conclusions on a review of six major studies conducted from 1965 to August 2000, involving many thousands of births.

For first cousins, "there is a slightly increased risk, but in terms of general risks in life it's not very high," said Dr. Arno Motulsky, a professor emeritus of medicine and genome sciences at the University of Washington, and the senior author of the report, being published today in The Journal of Genetic Counseling.

Dr. Motulsky said that medical geneticists had known for a long time that there was little or no harm in cousins' marrying and having children.

"Somehow, this hasn't become general knowledge," Dr. Motulsky said. "Among the public and physicians there's a feeling it's real bad and brings a lot of disease, and there's a lot of social and legal disapproval."

Thirty states have laws forbidding first cousins to marry, but no countries in Europe have such prohibitions, and in parts of the Middle East, Africa and Asia, marriages between cousins are considered preferable. "In some parts of the world," the report says, "20 to 60 percent of all marriages are between close biological relatives."

Dr. Motulsky said the American laws against cousin marriage should be abolished, because they are based in part on the mistaken belief that the children of such parents will suffer from terrible physical and mental illnesses.

"They are ancient laws in terms of thinking it's really bad," he said. "The data show it isn't that bad. There shouldn't be a law that you can't marry your cousin."

The article says, "Romantic relationships between cousins are not infrequent in the United States and Canada." But many cousins who marry or live together keep their family ties a secret because of the stigma, so the frequency of such unions is not known. Estimates of marriages between related people, which include first cousins and more distant ones, range from less than 0.1 percent of the general population to 1.5 percent. In the past, small studies have found much higher rates in some areas: a survey in 1942 found 18.7 percent in a small town in Kentucky, and a 1980 study found 33 percent in a Mennonite community in Kansas.

The report made a point of saying that the term "incest" should not be applied to cousins, but only to sexual relations between siblings or between parents and children. Babies who result from those unions are thought to be at significantly higher risk of genetic problems, the report said, but there is not enough data to be sure.

The new report says genetic counselors should advise cousins who want to have children together in much the same way they advise everybody else, and that no extra genetic tests are required before conception. The guidelines urge counselors to take a thorough family history and, as they do for all patients, look for any inherited diseases that might run in the family or in the patients' ethnic group, and order tests accordingly.

During pregnancy, the woman should have the standard blood tests used to screen for certain neurological problems and other disorders, and an ultrasound exam.

As a newborn, the baby should be tested for deafness and certain metabolic diseases — tests already given to all newborns in some parts of the country — which are among the conditions that may be slightly more likely to occur in children whose parents are cousins. Some of the metabolic problems are treatable, and children with hearing losses do better if they get help early in life.

Dr. Motulsky said the panel of experts began working on the cousin question about two years ago after a survey of counselors found a lot of variability — and misinformation — in the advice given to people who wanted to know whether cousins could safely have children together.

The president-elect of the counselors' group, Robin L. Bennett, who is a co-author of the report and a genetic counselor at the University of Washington, said: "Just this week I saw a 23-year-old woman whose parents were cousins, and she was told to have a tubal ligation, which she did at the age 21, because of the risk to her children. And there's no risk to her children. People are getting this information from small-town doctors who may not know the risk, don't have access to this information and just assume it's a big risk."

Rest of the article - https://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/03/...o-discourage-cousin-marriage-study-finds.html

Are you Somali?
 
How is doubling the chance for birth defects not a good reason for not having a kid with your first cousin? From your own article it makes a child have a 4.7%-6.8% chance of having a major birth defect. At the very least get a second cousin, cant believe im saying that lol.


He could be the product of cousin marriage himself. It might explain his lack of comprehension.
 
Let us look at the Prophet and other well known companions and whether they cared about lineage in choosing who to marry. Let us also recall Islam tells just one quality to look for in potential partners and says nothing about tribe, nationality, class or wealth - Just Good Islam of the individual and their character, that they are practicing their religion sincerely.

- The Prophet was Quraish and Banu Hashim, best tribe among Arabs in that time: Let us see then who the prophet married and whether he cared about lineage and close clan, cousin or anything else:

A- Zaynab bint Jahsh - from the tribe of Bani Asad, bani Khuzaymah - Non Qurayshi tribe
B- Umm Habībah bint Abī Sufyān, Hafsah bint ‘Umar, Juwayriyah bint Al-Hārith, Sawdah bint Zam’ah , Umm Salamah nd Aishah, None of them was Banu Hashim like the Porphet pbuh.
C- He also married Safiyyah bint Huyayy - This lady was Jewish from the Medina jewish tribes.

Umar Ibnu Qattab was from Adiyy and married a Banu Hashim lady
Uthman ibu Affan was from Ummayyah but married two women from banu Hashim, the prophet's daughters.

Some companions were married to non-arabs. Those are/were the greatest muslims ever lived and their marriage was not about marrying their close cousins but whoever they wanted or desired to marry without close lineage consideration.


If some Muslims want to marry their first cousins, that is their prerogative but Islam has zero advocacy for such marriages. It is Halal doesn't mean it has value. Let us not Islamize ignorance.



The Prophet (ﷺ) said:

إِذَا أَتَاكُمْ مَنْ تَرْضَوْنَ خُلُقَهُ وَدِينَهُ فَزَوِّجُوهُ إِلاَّ تَفْعَلُوا تَكُنْ فِتْنَةٌ فِي الأَرْضِ وَفَسَادٌ عَرِيضٌ

“If there comes to you a man whose character and religious commitment you are pleased with, then marry your ward (daughter) to him, for if you do not, there will be fitnah in the land and widespread corruption.” (Ibn Mājah, 1967).

Anybody see a "cousin" there or tribe X in the prophet's advise on who we should allow our daughters to marry? Just deen practice and character.
 
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With adoptions and sperm banks soon we will have siblings having sex with each other in the west. Stay stuned y'all.this is why I like being a Muslim and somali we know our mom and dads. Islamically we can not change our father's name even with adoption alxamdulilah
 

bobsburger

I am NOT a federal agent
That is not accurate statement. Sometimes there are some things allowed for a reason but are neither encouraged nor discouraged and left to people's choice.

All backward cultures do marry close cousins.
My point is that It is allowed so there is not harm coming to you if you go that way.
I never said that it was encouraged. Nothing is "backwards" about what Allah has made legal.
If it was wrong or "backwards" Allah would have made it impermissible.
Pork is bad for humans so it is haram.
So if cousin marriage held any danger then it would also be haram.
 
My point is that It is allowed so there is not harm coming to you if you go that way.
I never said that it was encouraged. Nothing is "backwards" about what Allah has made legal.
If it was wrong or "backwards" Allah would have made it impermissible.
Pork is bad for humans so it is haram.
So if cousin marriage held any danger then it would also be haram.

I agree, however marrying cousins for generations can have a huge impact though. We see examples of this in ruling families who wanted to keep their blood 'pure' who ended up having a lot of genetic disabilities passed down. Also, cultures with very high cousin marriages have higher rates of disabilities.

Marrying cousins here and there is perfectly fine, issues arise when you have, your parents and your grandparents before you.

Also, according to fuqaha, marrying a non relative is better anyway, although cousin marriages are completely halal.
 
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Boogie

Islam wins doesnt take Ls Long Live Somalia 🇸🇴
I agree, however marrying cousins for generations can have a huge impact though. We see examples of this in ruling families who wanted to keep their blood 'pure' who ended up having a lot of genetic disabilities passed down. Also, cultures with very high cousin marriages have higher rates of disabilities.

Marrying cousins here and there is perfectly fine, issues arise when you have, your parents and your grandparents before you.

Also, according to fuqaha, marrying a non relative is better anyway, although cousin marriages are completely halal.
Yep medieval times in Europe is living proof of that
 
lol,article says "doubling your chances" yet thread thread title is "No Genetic Reason to Discourage Cousin Marriage" .:ayaanswag:
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I like NYT but the agenda behind this articles is shit, i have an Uncle who married his first counsin 2/5 of his children were born with defect and 1 dead.
 
My point is that It is allowed so there is not harm coming to you if you go that way.
I never said that it was encouraged. Nothing is "backwards" about what Allah has made legal.
If it was wrong or "backwards" Allah would have made it impermissible.
Pork is bad for humans so it is haram.
So if cousin marriage held any danger then it would also be haram.


You are good to have faith in Allah's decrees without second guessing. With that said, when it comes to Halal and Haram in Islam, only the Haram is clear cut for it's benefit( of avoiding it) and an apparent negative consequence for doing it whether that be spiritual, social or health consequence.

If you made your earlier statement about Haram, then you would be 100% correct. In Islam, Halal is divided into 4 sub categories:

- Obligatory
- Recommended
- Allowed
- Disliked

All these four fall under the Halal category but each one has a meaning. Not all Halal stuff are recommended. They are allowed for a reason in Allah's wisdom since he knows what is, what will be, and what was and time doesn't affect him. Reasons could be plenty and sometimes clear and sometimes unclear.

Sometimes forbidden things become Halal temporarily to save someone from imminent death due to starvation and they can eat what they aren't allowed to under normal circumstances for example etc.


As far as cousin marriage goes, it is another day and same shit with some Somalis promoting their view as Islamic when Islam never mentioned that thing they are obsessed with as recommended or valuable. Same stupidity and hypocrisy of tribal bigotry they like to sell as Islamic.
 

Basra

LOVE is a product of Doqoniimo mixed with lust
Let Them Eat Cake
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Contrary to widely held beliefs and longstanding taboos in America, first cousins can safely have children together, without a great risk of birth defects or genetic disease, scientists are reporting today. They say there is no biological reason to discourage cousins from marrying.

First cousins are somewhat more likely than unrelated parents to have a child with a serious birth defect, but scientists say the risk is not large. In the general population, the risk that a child will be born with a major birth defect, like spina fida, is 3 to 4 percent; to that background risk, first cousins must add another 1.7 to 2.8 percentage points, the researchers said.

Although the increase represents almost a doubling of the risk, since the background risk is small to begin with, the result is still not considered large enough to discourage people from having children, geneticists say. And they point out that no one questions the right of other people with far higher levels of risk to have children. For example, people with Huntington's disease, a severe neurological disorder, have a 50 percent chance of passing the disease to their children.

The researchers, convened by the National Society of Genetic Counselors, based their conclusions on a review of six major studies conducted from 1965 to August 2000, involving many thousands of births.

For first cousins, "there is a slightly increased risk, but in terms of general risks in life it's not very high," said Dr. Arno Motulsky, a professor emeritus of medicine and genome sciences at the University of Washington, and the senior author of the report, being published today in The Journal of Genetic Counseling.

Dr. Motulsky said that medical geneticists had known for a long time that there was little or no harm in cousins' marrying and having children.

"Somehow, this hasn't become general knowledge," Dr. Motulsky said. "Among the public and physicians there's a feeling it's real bad and brings a lot of disease, and there's a lot of social and legal disapproval."

Thirty states have laws forbidding first cousins to marry, but no countries in Europe have such prohibitions, and in parts of the Middle East, Africa and Asia, marriages between cousins are considered preferable. "In some parts of the world," the report says, "20 to 60 percent of all marriages are between close biological relatives."

Dr. Motulsky said the American laws against cousin marriage should be abolished, because they are based in part on the mistaken belief that the children of such parents will suffer from terrible physical and mental illnesses.

"They are ancient laws in terms of thinking it's really bad," he said. "The data show it isn't that bad. There shouldn't be a law that you can't marry your cousin."

The article says, "Romantic relationships between cousins are not infrequent in the United States and Canada." But many cousins who marry or live together keep their family ties a secret because of the stigma, so the frequency of such unions is not known. Estimates of marriages between related people, which include first cousins and more distant ones, range from less than 0.1 percent of the general population to 1.5 percent. In the past, small studies have found much higher rates in some areas: a survey in 1942 found 18.7 percent in a small town in Kentucky, and a 1980 study found 33 percent in a Mennonite community in Kansas.

The report made a point of saying that the term "incest" should not be applied to cousins, but only to sexual relations between siblings or between parents and children. Babies who result from those unions are thought to be at significantly higher risk of genetic problems, the report said, but there is not enough data to be sure.

The new report says genetic counselors should advise cousins who want to have children together in much the same way they advise everybody else, and that no extra genetic tests are required before conception. The guidelines urge counselors to take a thorough family history and, as they do for all patients, look for any inherited diseases that might run in the family or in the patients' ethnic group, and order tests accordingly.

During pregnancy, the woman should have the standard blood tests used to screen for certain neurological problems and other disorders, and an ultrasound exam.

As a newborn, the baby should be tested for deafness and certain metabolic diseases — tests already given to all newborns in some parts of the country — which are among the conditions that may be slightly more likely to occur in children whose parents are cousins. Some of the metabolic problems are treatable, and children with hearing losses do better if they get help early in life.

Dr. Motulsky said the panel of experts began working on the cousin question about two years ago after a survey of counselors found a lot of variability — and misinformation — in the advice given to people who wanted to know whether cousins could safely have children together.

The president-elect of the counselors' group, Robin L. Bennett, who is a co-author of the report and a genetic counselor at the University of Washington, said: "Just this week I saw a 23-year-old woman whose parents were cousins, and she was told to have a tubal ligation, which she did at the age 21, because of the risk to her children. And there's no risk to her children. People are getting this information from small-town doctors who may not know the risk, don't have access to this information and just assume it's a big risk."

Rest of the article - https://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/03/...o-discourage-cousin-marriage-study-finds.html


Still i wont do it. Its a bit too much when the entire world is full of Hiliib.
 
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