those degenerate ideology of bombing innocents. nothing to do woth islam and normal muslims like me. if your salafi or wahabi you should get punished.
nobody hurt islam more than salafism wahabism
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Either you ignorant or an Ashari sufi. If you did your research you would know that Salafis are the most outspoken against terrorism and suicide bombings. The reason why you connect Salafism with terrorism is due to terrorist khawarij claiming to be Salafis. If you knew the definition of Salafiyyah you would claim it too as it means following the salaf
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I don’t think anyone claims to be khawarij
it gets so tiresome seeing this same fake claim get trotted out over and over. it's been debunked a million times. it's like those people saying: "Muslims are worship a moon god!" "the mooslems are doing TAQIYYAH!" "Ilhan Omar is a radical jihadist wahhabi Muslim using taqiyyah to bring down the West!"... that sort of rhetoric.
anyone with a basic understanding of Salafiyyah knows that the Salafi scholars consistently have opposed suicide bombing. I don't know of any Salafi scholar who is pro suicide bombing.
all this "Salafis = Al Qaeda/ISIS"... it really is at the same level as the "Muslims worship a moon god!" fake claims. anyone with a basic knowledge of Salafiyyah knows that Salafis and the Al Qaeda type groups are opposed to each other.
anyone with a basic understanding of Salafiyyah knows that the Salafi scholars consistently have opposed suicide bombing. I don't know of any Salafi scholar who is pro suicide bombing.
all this "Salafis = Al Qaeda/ISIS"... it really is at the same level as the "Muslims worship a moon god!" fake claims. anyone with a basic knowledge of Salafiyyah knows that Salafis and the Al Qaeda type groups are opposed to each other.
the good news is that this kind of lame tactic shows how strong Salafiyyah is. the anti-Salafi people can't actually refute Salafiyyah so they are constantly resorting to these lame sort of arguments.
You are right, Salafis may not be as numerous as ahlul bidah and the ignorants but they sure are consistent and deeprooted in faith, and no other groups refer back to quran, ahadith and the salaf as they do.
The Narrations are the Religion
It is reported that Muḥammad b. Sīrīn said, “They used to consider themselves on thepath as long as they followed al-athar (guidance of the Sunnah and Salaf as passed down in the narrations).”
Al-Lālakā`ī, Sharḥ Usūl I’tiqād Ahl Al-Sunnah wa Al-Jamā’ah Vol.1 p120.
It is reported that ‘Uthmān b. Ḥāḍir said, “I said to Ibn ‘Abbās: ‘advise me.’ He replied, ‘It is upon you to be upright, follow al-athar, and beware of innovating [in religion].’”
Ibn Battah, Al-Ibānah Al-Kubrā Vol. 1 p214.
It is reported that ʿAbdullāh b. Al-Mubārak said, “Let it only be the narrations (al-athar) that you rely upon, and take from reasoning and opinion that amount that will help you to understand and explain ḥadīth.”
Ibn ʿAbd Al-Barr, Jāmi’ Bayān Al-‘Ilm wa Faḍlihi Vol. 3 p329.
It is reported that Sufyān Al-Thawrī said, “The narrations (al-āthār) are the religion.”
And it is reported that he also said, “A man should not even scratch his head except based on a narration.”
Al-Harawī, Dhamm Al-Kalām wa Ahlihī Vol. 2 p264.
It is reported that Al-Musayyib b. Rāfi’ Al-Asadī said, “We only follow, we do not innovate; we follow behind and do not start anything [in the religion], and we will never stray as long as we adhere to the narrations.”
Al-Harawī, Dhamm Al-Kalām wa Ahlihī Vol. 2 p265.
www.sayingsofthesalaf.net
Al-Lālakā`ī, Sharḥ Usūl I’tiqād Ahl Al-Sunnah wa Al-Jamā’ah Vol.1 p120.
It is reported that ‘Uthmān b. Ḥāḍir said, “I said to Ibn ‘Abbās: ‘advise me.’ He replied, ‘It is upon you to be upright, follow al-athar, and beware of innovating [in religion].’”
Ibn Battah, Al-Ibānah Al-Kubrā Vol. 1 p214.
It is reported that ʿAbdullāh b. Al-Mubārak said, “Let it only be the narrations (al-athar) that you rely upon, and take from reasoning and opinion that amount that will help you to understand and explain ḥadīth.”
Ibn ʿAbd Al-Barr, Jāmi’ Bayān Al-‘Ilm wa Faḍlihi Vol. 3 p329.
It is reported that Sufyān Al-Thawrī said, “The narrations (al-āthār) are the religion.”
And it is reported that he also said, “A man should not even scratch his head except based on a narration.”
Al-Harawī, Dhamm Al-Kalām wa Ahlihī Vol. 2 p264.
It is reported that Al-Musayyib b. Rāfi’ Al-Asadī said, “We only follow, we do not innovate; we follow behind and do not start anything [in the religion], and we will never stray as long as we adhere to the narrations.”
Al-Harawī, Dhamm Al-Kalām wa Ahlihī Vol. 2 p265.
The Narrations are the Religion - Sayings of the Salaf
It is reported that Muḥammad b. Sīrīn said, “They used to consider themselves on the path as long as they followed al-athar (guidance of the Sunnah and
www.sayingsofthesalaf.net
There are characteristics to know them by.
FINALLY, someone gets it. i think the biggest harm they do to islam is they drive out the religion's intellectuals. when you tell your mathematicians, philosophers, physicists, etc that logic/philosophy is haram then they sure as hell aren't just gonna leave all that behind, turn their brains off and follow you blindly.
finaly someone that thinks like me. i can die happy now
Scholars of the past loved philosophy and infact influenced it. Imam Ghazali was a famous for it
Lol you obviously never read ghazali before. Ghazali literally denounced philosophic views and considered it a cancer for the layman to read. All of his virtues and ethics closely side with the Sunnah in his revival of the religious sciences
"Either you ignorant or an Ashari sufi. If you did your research you would know that Salafis are the most outspoken against terrorism and suicide bombings. The reason why you connect Salafism with terrorism is due to terrorist khawarij claiming to be Salafis. If you knew the definition of Salafiyyah you would claim it too as it means following the salaf."
Also the founders modern terrorism where Ashari sufis, Hassan Al Banna and Sayyid Qutb. The one who first used suicide bombings were Taliban and they are mostly Ashari Sufi deobandis. Stop saying all kinds of shit without doing any research
It is a scientific fact that the sun revolves around the earth. Heliocentrism is nothing more than a hoax.
I don't revolve around the sun- the sun revolves around me
(because I'm on the earth)but imam ghazali (AUN ) was an ashari sufi. you will never ever see a salafi wahabi make as much sense as imam ghazali did. now, if you want a salafi/wahhabi then you have people like ibn-taymiyya. he isn't a salafi/wahhabi 100% but you know what i mean. the guy literally was against logic from my understanding.
This issue gets misconstrued all the time.
The "Muslim philosophers" were people who were way too into Ancient Greek philosophy (particularly Aristotle) and tried to mix Islam with the philosophy of Aristotle. Ibn Taymiyyah, Al-Ghazali and others were right to oppose them. You'd have to be crazy to want to attend the khutbah on jummah and listen to the imam citing Quran, Sunnah and Aristotle.
We have "Muslim philosophers" running around today and they're a menace- "liberal Muslims," "feminist Muslims," and I believe to a lesser extent as I think they're a little less prevalent since the fall of the USSR- "Islamic socialists," "Islamic Marxists," etc.
All these people are the modern-day descendants of the "Muslim philosophers" as they do the same thing- they mix Islam with some outside philosophy. And all they do is push deviancy- with them, it's forget Quran and Sunnah- Islam and Quran and Sunnah as well (according to their approach) need to to conform with liberal ideology... or feminist ideology... or Karl Marx.... or Aristotle, etc.
When the scholars of Ahlus Sunnah combatted the encroachment of philosophy into the dīn, they were combatting stuff like people trying to mix Islam with Aristotle- it has nothing to do with telling people they can't use their brains. Islam promotes reasoning but our reasoning needs to be in line with Quran and Sunnah. The "Muslim philosophers"- they would put what Aristotle said over what Quran and Sunnah said. In modern times, you can look at "liberal Muslims," "feminist Muslims", "Islamic socialists" and you can see the same thing happening.
Revelation came through the prophets. Philosophy is through the philosophers. Plato, Aristotle, Kant, etc.
Islam is already perfect. You are never going to improve Islam. And you will never improve Islam by mixing Islam with Aristotle... or Kant... or Nietzsche... or Hegel... or Confucius.
"Muslim philosophy" is and always has been a menace and the entire agenda behind the narrative being pushed that glorifies it and condemns the fight that was carried out against it... the entire agenda behind this narrative being pushed is to make Muslims more open to Western philosophy and thus to Westernization. Behind the veil of its rhetoric, it's just a plot to Westernize Muslims.
no he didn't, imam ghazali recognized the uses of philosophy. but unlike the arrogant philosophers (saying stuff like "religion is a dumbed down version of philosophy") he actually realized the limitations of philosophy. so he still used a tramendous amounts of philosophy but he didn't go overboard. As for ethics, i think he was influenced a lot by Aristotle's ethics.
Al-Ghazali wrote a famous book against philosophy called Incoherence of the Philosophers.
also, to my understanding, Ibn Taymiyyah was refuting ancient Greek philosophy
An Islamic Refutation of Aristotelian Logic: Translation of Ibn Taymiyya
An Islamic Refutation of Aristotelian Logic: Translation of Ibn Taymiyya (Part I)
An Islamic Refutation of Aristotelian Logic: Translation of Ibn Taymiyya (Part I)
www.academia.edu
are you an adherent of Ancient Greek philosohy? and if you aren't, does that make you an unintellectual person who rejects the use of reason? why should we adhere to ancient greek philosophy?
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