Pan-Africanists and Pan-Islamists are enemies of Pan-Somalists

[Hanad_shanaad]

On a political spectrum you measure the far left and the far right. In Somalia and across the Somali peninsula of Somaliweyn as well as in the Somali diaspora, there seems to be a situation whereby the far left are pseudo communists who are butt-hurt about Soviet-puppet Siad Barre being oustered from power. Their elders believed in Barre's dictatorship, their young today share a far more left-wing Pan-Africanist sentiment holding the belief that all of Africa needs to be integrated. If this happens Somalis' will be a minuscule ethnic minority with virtually no political power in their own native land. Pan-Africanists also centre the African identity from a Bantu-centrist standpoint. And most do not regard ethnic Somalis as native to the continent but rather products of Arabian expansion into the continent.

On the far right, you have extreme conservatives in Somalia. These are your religious zealots who believe that Somalia should be an Islamic state whereby any Muslim anywhere in the world has the right to become a citizen. They want an interpretation of Islamic law that lacks any contextual logic and are content with any and every means of establishing their political ideology. They present the greatest threat to Somalia at the present moment.

And so you see how dangerous things are in Somalia. Both our political extremes exhibit a total disregard of the Somali nation state as a sovereign ethno-state. Either they want to impose other Africans on us, or other Muslims. They are at war with the Somali cultural identity on both sides. Usually in most countries the left and the right still share fundamental values. Like for instance the Democrats and Republicans. As much as they have differences, they'll never undermine the basic values of the country. But for us it seems we have a situation where both sides want to destroy our values

 

[mr steal your naag]

On a political spectrum you measure the far left and the far right. In Somalia and across the Somali peninsula of Somaliweyn as well as in the Somali diaspora, there seems to be a situation whereby the far left are pseudo communists who are butt-hurt about Soviet-puppet Siad Barre being oustered from power. Their elders believed in Barre's dictatorship, their young today share a far more left-wing Pan-Africanist sentiment holding the belief that all of Africa needs to be integrated. If this happens Somalis' will be a minuscule ethnic minority with virtually no political power in their own native land. Pan-Africanists also centre the African identity from a Bantu-centrist standpoint. And most do not regard ethnic Somalis as native to the continent but rather products of Arabian expansion into the continent.

On the far right, you have extreme conservatives in Somalia. These are your religious zealots who believe that Somalia should be an Islamic state whereby any Muslim anywhere in the world has the right to become a citizen. They want an interpretation of Islamic law that lacks any contextual logic and are content with any and every means of establishing their political ideology. They present the greatest threat to Somalia at the present moment.

And so you see how dangerous things are in Somalia. Both our political extremes exhibit a total disregard of the Somali nation state as a sovereign ethno-state. Either they want to impose other Africans on us, or other Muslims. They are at war with the Somali cultural identity on both sides. Usually in most countries the left and the right still share fundamental values. Like for instance the Democrats and Republicans. As much as they have differences, they'll never undermine the basic values of the country. But for us it seems we have a situation where both sides want to destroy our values

I fucking hate pan africanist they want to kick out north and horn africans and turn it into bantu land
Somalis should never allow that to happen

 

[Interested]

1.Islam should come first, then maybe somalinimo.

Extreme Nationalism is dangerous. I see lots of users on this site sprouting degeneracy when it comes to even our own minorities that have resided in Somalia for centuries, some of them brought there against their will.

The oromo hate is also embarrassing...some of you have been born and bred on a western welfare, never been to somalia , yet moving like the racist far right whites.

What has pan somalism achieved so far? A nation further fractured , where every qabill has secessionists aiming for an independent state. Somalia today is a place where non practicing muslims can run for presidency yet the Muslim non ethnic somali minorities can't even hold the PM spot.(I'm not lying, there is actually one running atm)

 

[The Inquisitive]

1.Islam should come first, then maybe somalinimo.

Extreme Nationalism is dangerous. I see lots of users on this site sprouting degeneracy when it comes to even our own minorities that have resided in Somalia for centuries, some of them brought there against their will.

The oromo hate is also embarrassing...some of you have been born and bred on a western welfare, never been to somalia , yet moving like the racist far right whites.

What has pan somalism achieved so far? A nation further fractured , where every qabill has secessionists aiming for an independent state. Somalia today is a place where non practicing muslims can run for presidency yet the Muslim non ethnic somali minorities can't even hold the PM spot.(I'm not lying, there is actually one running atm)

There's no maybe naaya, Islam is embedded in Somalinimo.

Recognizing many ethnic groups Muslim or not are enemies of somali people isn't sprouting hate, "Muslim" oromos kill Somalis in oromia for being Somali, you gonna talk about it? Ofc not because you're self hating muh ummah cuck. Arabs never miss a chance to act racist towards Somalis but guess we're not supposed to be upset about it cuz they're muslim right? GTFO.

And yes only ethnic Somalis should be eligible to run for presidency in Somalia. We won't be relegated to second class citizens in our own homeland, if you want to live where non Somalis rule go there and you won't be missed.

 

[Keo]

1.Islam should come first, then maybe somalinimo.

Extreme Nationalism is dangerous. I see lots of users on this site sprouting degeneracy when it comes to even our own minorities that have resided in Somalia for centuries, some of them brought there against their will.

The oromo hate is also embarrassing...some of you have been born and bred on a western welfare, never been to somalia , yet moving like the racist far right whites.

What has pan somalism achieved so far? A nation further fractured , where every qabill has secessionists aiming for an independent state. Somalia today is a place where non practicing muslims can run for presidency yet the Muslim non ethnic somali minorities can't even hold the PM spot.(I'm not lying, there is actually one running atm)

Ummah is fake, doesn’t exist. Pan-Africanism is also fake.

 

[Hanad_shanaad]

Ummah is fake, doesn’t exist. Pan-Africanism is also fake.

How can you place your priorities to the "Islamic ummah" above that of your own people. Somalia needs to help itself to help the ummah. It will never have the respect, the power and the legitimacy to be an authoritative voice in the Islamic world until it is a powerful nation. Look at Turkey and how despite it being a pro-homosexuality state the majority of the Sunni Muslim world near-worship Erdogan. Nobody cares about the fact that he is Zionist with a questionable history. But he knows how to stroke the egos of his base. He's a politician, doing what politicians do best

 

[J-Rasta]

I'm neither one of these .

You are right they're cancerous.

Slowly metastacising our ripe minds ( the younger generation) , actually let me retract my first phrase of the sentence , blame the elders for all of this , they're responsible for indoctrinating illogical ideologies and sabotaging millions of lives with their twisted narratives , infact if I had the capabilities of enforcing justice I'd hang them for bringing downfall and demise to Somalia.

The sad fact is that in our lifetimes we'll never get to witness a young pioneer leading his people and nation , it is indeed a wishful thinking if we were to believe that a young articulate political representative can replace these political delinquents ( whom are mostly uneducated former taxi drivers quoting fake resumes and fraudulent qualifications from the west).

I am not trying to be pessimistic of the dreadful situation but I don't think and even a rocket scientist would acknowledge these old heads running these campaigns are not even capable of stringing sentences nor write their full names correctly and I highly doubt their capabilities of running such positionns , just look at how they've been easily compromised , since political stooges and s have proven from to time , their immense incompetence and liabilities, spectate their roles and the problems stems from there.

I'm not suggesting that an uprising should take place , but giving the circumstances we are currently facing , I believe it is fair enough , to reshuffle the entire cesspit from scratch , btw if you think revolution is the ideal solution to overcome these obstacles then look at Siad Barre , Pol Pot, Mugabe , revolutionaries may reach their goals and objectives in the short run but never make the best politicians.

And f*ck democracy they enable so many unprecedented problems , this system would not work in Somalia infact it is failing across Africa , it's seems like these assertions of authority had created a vacuum of corruption and authoritan administering that have no problems using their upper privileges to abuse the system, we need a centrist balanced authority instead of displaying weaknesses , vulnerability and stupidity
We should take into consideration how the functionality of this new political wave we need to create laws , change the rigged constitution and not tolerating disloyal characters with malicious intents we need to make a core example of these sorts , neither should we follow these ideologies.
Neutrality is the key .
Revolution should be brief and a balanced takeover should happen afterwards.

We can't have these dhaandhaan handicap politicians represent us .

Totally despicable and unacceptable.

 

[Hanad_shanaad]

I'm neither one of these .

You are right they're cancerous.

Slowly metastatacising our ripe minds ( the younger generation) , actually let me retract my first phrase of the sentence , blame the elders for all of this , they're responsible for indoctrinating illogical ideologies and sabotaging millions of lives with their twisted narratives , infact if I had the capabilities of enforcing justice I'd hang them for bringing downfall and demise to Somalia.

The sad fact is that in our lifetimes we'll never get to witness a young pioneer leading his people and nation , it is indeed a wishful thinking if we were to believe that a young articulate political representative can replace these political delinquents ( whom are mostly uneducated former taxi drivers quoting fake resumes and fraudulent qualifications from the west).

I am not trying to be pessimistic of the dreadful situation but I don't think and even a rocket scientist would acknowledge these old heads running these campaigns are not even capable of stringing sentences nor write their full names correctly and I highly doubt their capabilities of running such positionns , just look at how they've been easily compromised , since political stooges and wh*res have proven from to time , their immense incompetence and liabilities, spectate their roles and the problems stems from there.

I'm not suggesting that an uprising should take place , but giving the circumstances we are currently facing , I believe it is fair enough , to reshuffle the entire cesspit from scratch , btw if you think revolution is the ideal solution to overcome these obstacles then look at Siad Barre , Pol Pot, Mugabe , revolutionaries may reach their goals and objectives in the short run but never make the best politicians.

And f*ck democracy they enable so many unprecedented problems , this system would not work in Somalia infact it is failing across Africa , it's seems like these assertions of authority had created a vacuum of corruption and authoritan administering that have no problems using their upper privileges to abuse the system, we need a centrist balanced authority instead of displaying weaknesses , vulnerability and stupidity
We should take into consideration how the functionality of this new political wave we need to create laws , changes the rigged constitution and not tolerating disloyal characters with malicious intents we need to make a core example of these sorts , neither should we follow these ideologies.
Neutrality is the key .
Revolution should be brief and a balanced takeover should happen afterwards.

We can't have these dhaandhaan handicap politicians represent us .

Totally despicable and unacceptable.

Interesting points. There are some things I disagree on. For one, I believe in abolishing capital punishment across Somalia. For so long Somali blood has been spilled across the HoA, most of it was our own doing. Livestock rustling and inter-tribal fighting over water resources and grazing lands. Shariah law that also imposes capital punishment on people. I think Somalia's government needs to set a standard and totally abolish capital punishment. All the criminals can be sentenced to life in prison where they can work as penal labour de facto state-owned slaves. In so doing, you pretty much turn the business of fighting crime into a profitable enterprise for the state. Which is a good thing in terms of ending crime across the country. Somalia needs whatever economic contributor it can leverage and ending capital punishment will do just that.

In terms of a violent revolution. I oppose this too. Violence is inefficient. Every time you violently overthrow government you have to rebuild from the ground up what you destroyed. Granted there are situations where violence is the only means left. But I think those times are very rare and few. You can wean yourself and your base off of dependency on government, and use their system against them.

In terms of democracy. Africa since colonialists left was socialist. We tolerated dictators whom we gave total power and they eventually proved to be inefficient and corrupt. Placing all power in the hands of one man, or one group of men is like putting all your life savings in one basket and believing you'll be fine. The dangers of that are simply too many to enumerate. Dictatorships and plutocracies will be inevitable in any society that is undemocratic. Instead Somalia needs to do the opposite and establish a strong democracy with rule of law, and power sharing between independent legislatives, executive and judicial branches. In so doing you ensure all decisions made by government are as efficient as possible. You also maintain the peace because people feel apart of the process. The truth is humanity was born free and regardless what language they speak they all know how to oppose despots and dictatorships. Seeking to impose such rule on any people is a waste of time. Respect people's opinions. The majority of Somalis do not want inter-tribal wars and conquests. They live on less than $1 a day and thus desperately need economic development.

Somalia also needs to be a hyper-capitalist economy. Capitalism will enable the fastest economic development for any country. This however doesn't have to mean allowing foreign corporations to flood the markets. You can still have protectionist policies to protect the developing private sector of the country. If you actually think about it, the Somali private sector today is in a terrible state. It was never like this. Pre-colonialism Somali businesses, traders and entrepreneurs were celebrated and they developed the country. Then the imperial powers financed the tribal chiefdoms as their protectorates and those tribal chiefdoms went after and over taxes Somali traders leading to the destruction of the Somali private sector. With no tax revenues from internal trade and with their potential political rivals - the merchants impoverished, tribal chiefdoms were then colonised by the imperial powers. Thereafter Somalis were made wholly dependent on the governing authority even after independence and with the Siad Barre regime almost all the Somali domestic economy was dependent on government. This is highly dangerous because when central government collapses everything beneath it is squashed into oblivion. What Somalia needs is a strong private sector. Somali small and medium sized enterprises employing the majority of the labour force. It needs Somali industries. Government must incentivise that.

 

[Ismail99]

Ummah is fake, doesn’t exist. Pan-Africanism is also fake.

is pan somali real?

 

[adventurequestworlds1.0.2]

is pan somali real?

yes

 

[Revolutionary]

I disagree with your Pan Islamist take and your take on Somalis who wish to establish a true Islamic state in the nation, as well as Pan Africanism. The problem is that you are making up your own terms to support your own arguments when in fact you are being disingenuous.

Somaliweyn is a piece of the puzzle when it comes for Pan Islamism, which in essence means that all Muslim inhabited lands should unite based off core Islamic values, principles and laws. Being that the overwhelming vast majority of Somalis are muslim, them uniting together and breaking away from nations which has a majority non muslim population would be one step in achieving this Greater Islamic world, as would many other muslim majority people joining or breaking free from a majority non muslim population. The cards would then be easier to play if/when the conditions for which pan islamic sentiment rise compared to if these people are under non muslim nations. Somaliweyn, Kashmir being apart of Pakistan, Senegal and Gambia uniting, Afar and Oromo independence, Pan Arabism, these are all just puzzles in bringing the goal one step closer to becoming a reality.

Now in terms of Pan Africanism, do we have to throw the baby out with the bath water, and fit it into a little box meaning all Africans have to be integrated? There are different ways in which we could support Pan Africanism without having to be the cliche "all one nation". Just lile with Pan Islamism, with Pan Africanists you can help your fellow African nation in terms of establishing warmer ties with fellow african nations and increase trade and make it easier to trade with these nations, because as it is for many African nations, it is easier to sell your goods thousands of miles away in another continent than in your own neighboring county, it could be to sell excess resources to fellow African nations that are of need of those resources, like Sudan benefiting from the electricity thats to be generated from the ethiopian dam, it could be supporting African businesses by buying from there and encouragin others to do so, because from what I've heard a lot of Africans would rather go to white owned businesses instead of African owned ones when they are more likely to need your money. These are just a few ways in which you could support the tenants of Pan Africanism without agreeing with the "Africa one country" boogieman

Now we must answer a question that might be wondering, which is why should we help support these Muslim and African nations in any way we can whether big or small? Not only are we are all Africans, and we share similar issues with most of what the rest of the continent is dealing with, extreme poverty, rampent corruption, tribalism, colonial borders, resource exploitation, and a whole range of different issues, and that while we need to uplift ourselves from these issues, we need to all support each other with these issues which would in the long run help all of us. With Islam, we share the same core values and belief systems, we need intellectual and cultural unity within ourselves as Muslims that would support us against other ideologies and beliefs that are actively against our beliefs and have have the aim of indoctrinating our youth, we as muslims also for the most part are led by corrupt rulers that only pay lip service to islam but go actively against it for wealth, these rulers do not represent us.

Doing all of the above does not mean that we cannot uplift ourselves, we need to have an active role in supporting our nation it simply means while doing so we look at the bigger picture

 

[libaaxad]

pan somalism is cancer

 

[Zakaria541]

AFAIK Imam Abdulwahaab was against innovation and people sanctifying the houses of the companions, etc.
The Saudi family united with the Imam and look at the political success they’ve enjoyed.

If we want Barakah we have to live by our Islamic principles

 

[Ibrahim hassan]

Islam our deen and covenant First.

 

[J-Rasta]

Interesting points. There are some things I disagree on. For one, I believe in abolishing capital punishment across Somalia. For so long Somali blood has been spilled across the HoA, most of it was our own doing. Livestock rustling and inter-tribal fighting over water resources and grazing lands. Shariah law that also imposes capital punishment on people. I think Somalia's government needs to set a standard and totally abolish capital punishment. All the criminals can be sentenced to life in prison where they can work as penal labour de facto state-owned slaves. In so doing, you pretty much turn the business of fighting crime into a profitable enterprise for the state. Which is a good thing in terms of ending crime across the country. Somalia needs whatever economic contributor it can leverage and ending capital punishment will do just that.

In terms of a violent revolution. I oppose this too. Violence is inefficient. Every time you violently overthrow government you have to rebuild from the ground up what you destroyed. Granted there are situations where violence is the only means left. But I think those times are very rare and few. You can wean yourself and your base off of dependency on government, and use their system against them.

In terms of democracy. Africa since colonialists left was socialist. We tolerated dictators whom we gave total power and they eventually proved to be inefficient and corrupt. Placing all power in the hands of one man, or one group of men is like putting all your life savings in one basket and believing you'll be fine. The dangers of that are simply too many to enumerate. Dictatorships and plutocracies will be inevitable in any society that is undemocratic. Instead Somalia needs to do the opposite and establish a strong democracy with rule of law, and power sharing between independent legislatives, executive and judicial branches. In so doing you ensure all decisions made by government are as efficient as possible. You also maintain the peace because people feel apart of the process. The truth is humanity was born free and regardless what language they speak they all know how to oppose despots and dictatorships. Seeking to impose such rule on any people is a waste of time. Respect people's opinions. The majority of Somalis do not want inter-tribal wars and conquests. They live on less than $1 a day and thus desperately need economic development.

Somalia also needs to be a hyper-capitalist economy. Capitalism will enable the fastest economic development for any country. This however doesn't have to mean allowing foreign corporations to flood the markets. You can still have protectionist policies to protect the developing private sector of the country. If you actually think about it, the Somali private sector today is in a terrible state. It was never like this. Pre-colonialism Somali businesses, traders and entrepreneurs were celebrated and they developed the country. Then the imperial powers financed the tribal chiefdoms as their protectorates and those tribal chiefdoms went after and over taxes Somali traders leading to the destruction of the Somali private sector. With no tax revenues from internal trade and with their potential political rivals - the merchants impoverished, tribal chiefdoms were then colonised by the imperial powers. Thereafter Somalis were made wholly dependent on the governing authority even after independence and with the Siad Barre regime almost all the Somali domestic economy was dependent on government. This is highly dangerous because when central government collapses everything beneath it is squashed into oblivion. What Somalia needs is a strong private sector. Somali small and medium sized enterprises employing the majority of the labour force. It needs Somali industries. Government must incentivise that.

There are core elements I may disagree with, but nonetheless you've made some valid points.

Speaking of abolishing the capital punishment , I would say this it is a not viable solution to deter and minimise the criminal activities , society had always implemented these exclusive laws for generations , as I've mentioned earlier there are needs of examples to be
made , if we were to entirely abolish punishing wrongdoers which is strife and rampant in the Somali Peninsula then we are inviting all the complexities in which the case can be disastrous. From what I see on these interesting insights you have provided totally differs, must I remind you governing Somalia is incompatible with western based democracies and these so called theocratic laws and beaucracies , our system and xeer are unreachable nor equivalent to any governing European countries , it's quite contradictory tbh sxb, since laws like these can only be applied as widely as their laws can provide in these developed countries , (A) their societies are highly educated, the literacy rates are above 90%, their government module practices democratic freedom and flexibility . (B) the liberationist ideals in these countries are plausible enough to acknowledge , many offenders who committed capital crimes escaped the death penalty, either because juries or courts would not convict them or because they were pardoned and shipped to the Americas during the medieval era , which later developed to life or serving lengthy sentences , this was all based on democratic principles , values within their respective administrations and establishments, the laws they had instilled , led to the abolishment of capital punishment in European countries , perpetrators sentenced to lengthy or lesser sentences depending on the crimes they committed. And I believe we haven't reached that milestone , if we as Somalis and in including African countries , if were to improve our judicial system then we would have to make discrepancies and an exception , we instead need to focus on the reality on the ground and face the truth wether we like it or not , we must rid these first , what is hindering our judicial progress which is currently a stench and reeking in our own households.
Let me demonstrate , I know your face-palming and passively disagreeing lol

• From ancient times until well into the 19th century, many societies around the globe administered exceptionally cruel forms of capital punishment.
• Reality speaking it was to make a clear point , you take the life of another human being , brutally raping or engage in a gruesome abuse, then you have forfeited your own right to live, so in this case it is justifiable to implement the moral indignation which is not only of the victim’s relatives but also of law-abiding citizens in general capital punishment is a just a form enforcing the criminal in his own manner and is not an act carried by retribution.
• Historically speaking these forms of executions were public events attended by large crowds, the bodies of the perpetrators wether mutilated or roped were often displayed until they rotted and later buried.
• In the human nature , it is quite common for many individuals to lose their morality, forgetting what is morally right or wrong , hence it is not surprising why crime can never go away unless we set an extreme measures of core examples to deter and minimise the despicable activities , I know many would disagree with me by saying it's counter productive and blah blah blah but these laws applied well to enforce the law and order especially it wasnt long ago when a 12 year old girl in Gaalkacyo was murdered and gang raped by these men , their execution was justified , majority of our society live in a rudimentary lifestyles that are no different from being lawless and remember we don't have a centralised government they are pathetic and incapable of administrating anything infact many of them are eligible to be criminally prosecuted , everything is free-fall and you can imagine how many had gotten away with their crimes , due note that Somalis are naturally harsh stubborn beings exhibiting hostile traits and no I do not believe what you had suggested can be applicable due to several factors , try to convince these people with your democratic experience , they would show up armed to teeth , eagerly awaiting to overthrow your administrations , like I said on many occasions Somalis are not law abiding citizens only to their clans and kins , so with all due respect , we need to implement the exact opposite , depending on .
• Hanging is a viable solution in contrast to when facing a firing squad , wether the wrongdoers would understand and feel the immense pain they had inflicted on their victims, I'm not saying they will ever feel or understand how the victims endured under their gruesome acts but if a knose was tied around their necks they would feel pain and sufferings they had caused , hence the victim's death wouldn't be in vain ,no matter , as a result of this many bereaved families would find closures instead of crying in agony knowing that they could do nothing and just watch these murderers live behind bars ofcourse many would go vigilante and take their matters into their own hands, btw do you know why some surveillanced politicians oppose these laws to be repealed.

 

[J-Rasta]

Interesting points. There are some things I disagree on. For one, I believe in abolishing capital punishment across Somalia. For so long Somali blood has been spilled across the HoA, most of it was our own doing. Livestock rustling and inter-tribal fighting over water resources and grazing lands. Shariah law that also imposes capital punishment on people. I think Somalia's government needs to set a standard and totally abolish capital punishment. All the criminals can be sentenced to life in prison where they can work as penal labour de facto state-owned slaves. In so doing, you pretty much turn the business of fighting crime into a profitable enterprise for the state. Which is a good thing in terms of ending crime across the country. Somalia needs whatever economic contributor it can leverage and ending capital punishment will do just that.

In terms of a violent revolution. I oppose this too. Violence is inefficient. Every time you violently overthrow government you have to rebuild from the ground up what you destroyed. Granted there are situations where violence is the only means left. But I think those times are very rare and few. You can wean yourself and your base off of dependency on government, and use their system against them.

In terms of democracy. Africa since colonialists left was socialist. We tolerated dictators whom we gave total power and they eventually proved to be inefficient and corrupt. Placing all power in the hands of one man, or one group of men is like putting all your life savings in one basket and believing you'll be fine. The dangers of that are simply too many to enumerate. Dictatorships and plutocracies will be inevitable in any society that is undemocratic. Instead Somalia needs to do the opposite and establish a strong democracy with rule of law, and power sharing between independent legislatives, executive and judicial branches. In so doing you ensure all decisions made by government are as efficient as possible. You also maintain the peace because people feel apart of the process. The truth is humanity was born free and regardless what language they speak they all know how to oppose despots and dictatorships. Seeking to impose such rule on any people is a waste of time. Respect people's opinions. The majority of Somalis do not want inter-tribal wars and conquests. They live on less than $1 a day and thus desperately need economic development.

Somalia also needs to be a hyper-capitalist economy. Capitalism will enable the fastest economic development for any country. This however doesn't have to mean allowing foreign corporations to flood the markets. You can still have protectionist policies to protect the developing private sector of the country. If you actually think about it, the Somali private sector today is in a terrible state. It was never like this. Pre-colonialism Somali businesses, traders and entrepreneurs were celebrated and they developed the country. Then the imperial powers financed the tribal chiefdoms as their protectorates and those tribal chiefdoms went after and over taxes Somali traders leading to the destruction of the Somali private sector. With no tax revenues from internal trade and with their potential political rivals - the merchants impoverished, tribal chiefdoms were then colonised by the imperial powers. Thereafter Somalis were made wholly dependent on the governing authority even after independence and with the Siad Barre regime almost all the Somali domestic economy was dependent on government. This is highly dangerous because when central government collapses everything beneath it is squashed into oblivion. What Somalia needs is a strong private sector. Somali small and medium sized enterprises employing the majority of the labour force. It needs Somali industries. Government must incentivise that.

These are your own words , I'm not twisting them nor anything , besides the abolishment of capital punishment etc , I'm actually nodding my head with the certain statements you have aforementioned , I had this opinion for many years now and actually I can relate to your opinion which I somewhat remarkably agreeable

"I think Somalia's government needs to set a standard and totallyabolish capital punishment . All the criminals can be sentenced to life in prison where they can work as penal labour de facto state-owned slaves. In so doing, you pretty much turn the business of fighting crime into a profitable enterprise for the state. Which is a good thing in terms of ending crime across the country. Somalia needs whatever economic contributor it can leverage and ending capital punishment will do just that."

I would legislate and enact on this law that deters qabiilists , repeat offenders and several petty criminal acts , what I admire about the Rwandans is their citizens are banned from stuttering the word Tutsi or Hutsi and this is a perfect match for my administering division. This indeed is not only beneficial but educational as they would learn from their mistakes.
But how would that likely happen
we would need to recruit eyes and ears on the ground , we need to promote honest people to be reinforcer, I know what you are thinking hell no , I'm not Kim Jong Un or Isayas Afawerki and no neither are my established officers nowhere to Gestapo or secret police, but law carriers to ensure there lawless people are in check and are behaving appropriately.
For example if one was to boast about their pathetic clans and say some oblivious shit "you are laangaab my Qabiil is muh big then yours" or "my Qabiil can only be governed by first cousin"

These secret police would act as Cid/undercover and inform the tax collecting offers to show on their doorsteps and slap them with fines they can't afford , if there offenders fail to cover the expenses , then they don't even need a second warning they would be criminally persecuted and sent to a detention and probation camps , where these national offenders are rehabilitated , sentenced with national labor as the penal code dictates they would be tasked with construction , farming , several things that can benefit the country and are always confined in their spaces and their activities limited and strictly monitored , they're are tasked with hard labour.
Once their sentences are finished it is up to the boards to decide if they are fit enough for re-integration or have additional sentences , it depends if they misbehave then good for the state , let them work as slave , this is to set an example , but how can we accomplish such things when people are as thick as a rock and the genuine messages and advices goes through a wall?
In my opinion Somalia needs a lot more detention centers than schools at the moment.

Hence revolution is what we currently need , to mobilise the youths regardless of political affiliations , qabiil and background
, we must find a common ground and set our opinions aside.

Capitalism can be good and bad , and hyper is too much multitasking for us people , we need to be balanced neither socialist or the latter itself unfortunately these ideals doesn't work for us Africans well, it had corrupted some and enabled the mess that most countries are currently in.
Do not forget they had no other reasons other than to protect the sovereignty from the western leeches and parasites , I agree if we were to go forward and be sustainable enough and provide the needs of our citizens , then we would have to take the risks , setting the foreign imported goods at excaborated tariffs by forming protectionist laws which is crucial for us, but the question differs , we must address how can corruption be tackled unfortunately African politicians are cursed and they bring that bad omen to the continent I do not know wether their brains are just an empty void or a piggy bank for the westeners, they accept onions and tomatoes imports from Europe and their produce are rotting away such a fucking waste , their farming land is a fertile soil these Europeans are salivating for , it has so many potential and can host capacity to be the world's producing agriculture if they were dedicated and not inexperienced , it's not only Europeans exploiting from their misfortune of stupidity , it's worldwide and
this is what enables abject poverty, mass exodus because of one greedy fucking politician sleeping with vicious foreigners , Africa was never the same since the assassination of Thomas Sankara and Patrice Lumumba.
I don't think the current leaders wether in Somalia or elsewhere in the continent have balls of steel to enact on protectionist laws , infact their leaderships proven to be inefficient and highly illegitimate didn't some gay looking minister auctioned away and also gave licenses to several of these Chinese fishing crew.
God knows how many nationalities they sold to .
Despicable totally despicable
I would change all of this if I was administering the country.

 

[hannah54321]

I agree they’re both detrimental Somali cultural identity.

islamists are against culture and want us to become gulf arabs
Afrocentric people dislike Muslims.

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[J-Rasta]

Interesting points. There are some things I disagree on. For one, I believe in abolishing capital punishment across Somalia. For so long Somali blood has been spilled across the HoA, most of it was our own doing. Livestock rustling and inter-tribal fighting over water resources and grazing lands. Shariah law that also imposes capital punishment on people. I think Somalia's government needs to set a standard and totally abolish capital punishment. All the criminals can be sentenced to life in prison where they can work as penal labour de facto state-owned slaves. In so doing, you pretty much turn the business of fighting crime into a profitable enterprise for the state. Which is a good thing in terms of ending crime across the country. Somalia needs whatever economic contributor it can leverage and ending capital punishment will do just that.

In terms of a violent revolution. I oppose this too. Violence is inefficient. Every time you violently overthrow government you have to rebuild from the ground up what you destroyed. Granted there are situations where violence is the only means left. But I think those times are very rare and few. You can wean yourself and your base off of dependency on government, and use their system against them.

In terms of democracy. Africa since colonialists left was socialist. We tolerated dictators whom we gave total power and they eventually proved to be inefficient and corrupt. Placing all power in the hands of one man, or one group of men is like putting all your life savings in one basket and believing you'll be fine. The dangers of that are simply too many to enumerate. Dictatorships and plutocracies will be inevitable in any society that is undemocratic. Instead Somalia needs to do the opposite and establish a strong democracy with rule of law, and power sharing between independent legislatives, executive and judicial branches. In so doing you ensure all decisions made by government are as efficient as possible. You also maintain the peace because people feel apart of the process. The truth is humanity was born free and regardless what language they speak they all know how to oppose despots and dictatorships. Seeking to impose such rule on any people is a waste of time. Respect people's opinions. The majority of Somalis do not want inter-tribal wars and conquests. They live on less than $1 a day and thus desperately need economic development.

Somalia also needs to be a hyper-capitalist economy. Capitalism will enable the fastest economic development for any country. This however doesn't have to mean allowing foreign corporations to flood the markets. You can still have protectionist policies to protect the developing private sector of the country. If you actually think about it, the Somali private sector today is in a terrible state. It was never like this. Pre-colonialism Somali businesses, traders and entrepreneurs were celebrated and they developed the country. Then the imperial powers financed the tribal chiefdoms as their protectorates and those tribal chiefdoms went after and over taxes Somali traders leading to the destruction of the Somali private sector. With no tax revenues from internal trade and with their potential political rivals - the merchants impoverished, tribal chiefdoms were then colonised by the imperial powers. Thereafter Somalis were made wholly dependent on the governing authority even after independence and with the Siad Barre regime almost all the Somali domestic economy was dependent on government. This is highly dangerous because when central government collapses everything beneath it is squashed into oblivion. What Somalia needs is a strong private sector. Somali small and medium sized enterprises employing the majority of the labour force. It needs Somali industries. Government must incentivise that.

You have made valid points , the continent itself is a cursed place ran by half witted shit heads , don't you agree , young people need to rise and shine , instead of being subjects to these tyrants that are almost 6feet away , it's time to reshuffle the cards.

 

[hannah54321]

1.Islam should come first, then maybe somalinimo.

Somalia today is a place where non practicing muslims can run for presidency yet the Muslim non ethnic somali minorities can't even hold the PM spot.(I'm not lying, there is actually one running atm)

That’s how is should stay.

A Somali Kenyan or Yemeni could never become the president in their countries .

 

[bobsburger]

Shariah law that also imposes capital punishment on people. I think Somalia's government needs to set a standard and totally abolish capital punishment.

As a muslim the laws that Allah sent down are better than any human concoction. Do you think you can do better justice than Allah by changing his laws? This is a big sin man.