PIM MAY TURN INTO A REALITY

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If you guys do not know already, but there is vibrant young and ambitious group looking to implement a PIM movement in PL, the supporters base is not well known in terms of numbers, but the frustrations of Puntlanders at the lack of progress in Somalia is reaching stages of boiling point and could see this ambitious group take those frustrations and implement a Puntland Independence Movement to end the Somali project which PL has worked on since 2004 till today.

The PIM guys argue what do we have to show for our efforts in the last 20 years? Since 2004 till 2019, it's nearly 20 years and the government hasn't moved beyond one street in mogadishu. The south is completely occupied by Shabab still. Hawiye has not a single working administration or any unity inside themselves(even at a sub clan level). So why stick around is the PIM movement message. Famous supporters of PIM include @PuntiteQueen @MSGA and possibly others who are vehemently Anti Somalia because of Hawiye holding the nation back with they're disunity, disarray, lack of administration, and constant lack of security. They are frustrated not a single looted assets(factories, ministries, properties), warlords who killed thousands of darod civilians are sitting in senator positions. This group seems hell-bent on on cutting the PL umbillical cord to Somalia.

Now I must say the frustrations I have with Somalia and it's slow progress, makes me question if this project is viable anymore. I accept that Somali identity is REAL even though it's not real in the sense of 'families' we have different families and clans but in the sense of shared language, land, culture, and religion yes it is real. We spilled blood over this Somali unity concept with Sayid waging some of his largest campaigns against the Majerten Kingdom. Some key massacres include the 'illig' coastal massacre of Issa Mahmoud being thrown off cliffs. Huge battles occurred between the Darwish and Osman mahmoud clan in many areas of Bari. Mudug was a total nightmare also.

This Somalinimo concept a-lot of blood was spilled between 'liberal' Somalis who wanted to execute a new idea of creating a nation state based on our common interests as clans which is our somali identity, religion, culture, and land against conservative Somalis like my 'awoowe' who died defending the Majerteniya kingdom because he believed in PIM movement and believed every clan should stay where they are and rule themselves. Anyways blood has been spilled for this somalinimo concept, so we have exchanged blood, once blood is spilled, this causes people to become a family in some senses since an exchange of blood has occurred. Our exchange of blood was messy like the America Independence one and look at them now they treat each other like one family as under god and america.

Scottish clans would war with each other and after spilling blood with the english, this transfer of blood allowed them to create not only a Scottish Identity but join the united kingdom. I am not sure why Somalis cannot move past this stage of nation state building. Somali isn't a tribe, it's not owned by an individual nor was there a figure that existed who was Somali. Somali is a language and geographic location(desert dwellers and camel herders). They have a certain culture which is 'nomadic' and they have a religion that is Islamic and they speak a common language. We should be able to make this common identity work for all not work for a single clan because it won't be possible then for it to work since it isn't owned by any clan. Hence it needs to be based on national interest of all clans.

We have 150 years of blood shed as insurance that this 'somalinimo' concept had to be earned and personally my own '2nd awoowe' has battle scars from it and many other Somalis awoowes who would've fought for nothing or died for nothing. So we need to make it work in my opinion, it's difficult to start a new concept without blood shed in most nations, since the exchange of blood allows for both parties to form bond-ship when the bloodshed is over, WHY hasn't this happened in Somalia is beyond me, I can understand why it hasn't happened because our civil war in 91 till now has been tribal and clan based, where-as before in sayid war it was 'somalinimo vs tribal thinking' of it's day. So Somalinimo means a-lot to them now because they realized it was for they're own good, where-as in 91 it was pure tribal warfare, not somalinimo, so it's going to take a long time to heal. So what is my solution? should we adopt PIM?

If we are to adopt PIM. We need a monarchy or sultanate. We need to decide on Omani model of 'sultan' which was what boqor osman was planning and divide power along clan lines and lineages. Or should we take a monarchy approach and have boqor burhan the son of boqor osman as head of state like queen elizabeth and have the Puntland as his 'government'? so this means Boqor Burhan will not intefere in the day to day running of the state but he will be head of state or at least him and the 'golaha isimada' or the 'prince quarters'.

We have historical justification also Majerteniya Kingdom was not ceded voluntarily by Majerten people, it was bombarded by the italians who renegaded on our treaty, we want that treaty restored and executed and our independence granted to us as was the intention before the treaty was made null n void by Italy who used violence on king osman and then sent him to mogadishu for prison. We never ceded our autonomy and independence from Somalia, no somali speaks of this. Isaaq did cede to Somalia willingly, it wasn't forced at all.

We have present justification of Somalia saying we cannot continue living in a state that is refusing to move beyond one street and secure a damn city that is 15 kilometers in length called Mogadishu. We cannot continue living in a state where Hawiye hasn't got one administration that functions be it HS/GM. We cannot continue living in a state where shabab controls all the south and runs civil courts in afgoye on mogadishu matters and taxes business people in mogadishu. What the hell is this? dual governments in one city?
 

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@PuntiteQueen I am trying my hardest to get this Somali project up n running. Yes there was a hiccup in 91 and tribal warfare which has slowed us down, but u need to remember 150 years ago the amount of lives that was lost in Majerteniya was 'tremendous' who were fighting for PIM and tribal thinking over joining 'sayidka' radical new idea of Somalinimo. Thru this bloodshed sister, we are not Somalis, we have exchanged blood, the somalinimo is sealed with blood. It cannot be ignored the world sees us as Somali. The world understands only nation state concept. Ask them to name you scottish clans they won't, they will just say SCOTTISH. The scots still hold onto their clan system and territories but they also love the scottish identity. Can't we do the same? can't we keep our tribes and clan interests yet love being Somali?

I am fighting back against PIM supporters but secretly, I might be slipping over to you guys becuz there is no excuse for 20 years 2004 till 2019 the SFG has been around we haven't moved beyond villa somalia and the south has no administration.
 
I dare any of you to go to garowe with this PIM shit, the locals will laugh in your face :chrisfreshhah:
Clearly you guys don’t understand that the people of Puntland are the most patriotic Somalis and will never put down the Somali flag
 

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I dare any of you to go to garowe with this PIM shit, the locals will laugh in your face :chrisfreshhah:
Clearly you guys don’t understand that the people of Puntland are the most patriotic Somalis and will never put down the Somali flag

Why you reject PIM? We were always a boqortoyo. We can have a monarchy like queen elizabeth system in the UK, we Boqor Burhan as head of state and puntland government as the executive arm o Boqor Burhan. Heck if you don't like that, we can add the 'isimo quarter' to be the 'dukes n princes' of the royal house of Boqor Burhan. A tribe can't be a qaran is true but a tribe can be sultanate or boqortoyo or else how are saudi arabia or queen elizabeth monarchy possible? Wake up. We can re-install the Monarchy of Puntland. We do need a Plan B. Plan A isn't going as well as we imagined. It's nearly 20 years since the first SFG was installed, they haven't moved beyond villa somalia, doesn't this disturb you in the lack of progress? in-fact ppl are dying from war or disease or famine for 20 years since the SFG founding. Is the project null n void?

Remember we have historical justifiction also. Majerteniya Kingdom was never ceded voluntarily to Italy, the Italians revolted on the treaty and attacked the sultanates, and then jailed king osman in mogadishu. The Majerten king was not willing to join Somalia, they were expecting to become an Oman or Saudi arabia with a Monarchy. That was the end goal, once the global powers came to peace and the scramble for allies was over, Majerteniya should've become an emirate, sultanate like oman, or kingdom like saudi arabia. Or at the very least a monarchy similar to queen elizabeth with boqor as the head of state and executive, parliament, and judicial function separate into Puntland people's hand. We can still have a democracy and election and all that if you want, Boqor Burhan and his royal court of Isimo will be play symbolic and traditional role.
 

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Puntland will never declare independence from somalia never ever it’s unislamic to seperate yourself or to cause disunity amongst muslims
 

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I dare any of you to go to garowe with this PIM shit, the locals will laugh in your face :chrisfreshhah:
Clearly you guys don’t understand that the people of Puntland are the most patriotic Somalis and will never put down the Somali flag

We are definitely intended to be a monarchy in PL. It suits our culture better sxb. Having king as head of state with his royal court of Isimo. The great thing is this will be symbolic(it will represent the history of our region and how we came to be as a People), it will be traditional(it will handle cultural and tribal matters in the states), Plus it will have 'vested' power in it thru the king and his royal court to 'sack the government' if it becomes 'corrupt'. They won't be like how it is now with each clan elder supporting his siyasi, they will be one united body only dealing with the well being of all puntlander clans with structure similar to the UK. Then we can have our people go to the polls and elect a prime minister for the executive function of the government and a deputy prime minister who will then form his government. I support monarchy style government, I consider it very suitable towards our culture, I don't support a presidential system as one man doesn't have all the power in Somalia, waa been riyo weeye laysku aqrinayo. Our state the power is vested in ROYALTY AND ISIMO CHAMBER AND THE POLITICIANS ARE JUST DAY TO DAY MANAGERS OF THE STATE.
 
We are definitely intended to be a monarchy in PL. It suits our culture better sxb. Having king as head of state with his royal court of Isimo Chambers. The great thing is this will be symbolic(it will represent the history of our region and how we came to be as a People), it will be traditional(it will handle cultural and tribal matters in the states), Plus it will have 'vested' power in it thru the king and his royal court to 'sack the government' if it becomes 'corrupt'. They won't be like how it is now with each clan elder supporting his siyasi, they will be one united body only dealing with the well being of all puntlander clans with structure similar to the UK. Then we can have our people go to the polls and elect a prime minister for the executive function of the government and a deputy prime minister who will then form his government. I support monarchy style government, I consider it very suitable towards our culture, I don't support a presidential system as one man doesn't have all the power in Somalia, waa been riyo weeye laysku aqrinayo. Our state the power is vested in ROYALTY AND ISIMO CHAMBER AND THE POLITICIANS ARE JUST DAY TO DAY MANAGERS OF THE STATE.
You realize this PIM shit is an online fantasy, like I said people back home are patriotic and don’t wanna separate from Somalia. No need to entertain delusions sxb
 

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@PuntiteQueen @Dues Ex Machete @Cognitivedissonance the USC made it clear in 91 they want 'federalism' and every tribe must return to his home after they expelled all non hawiyes from the city. Is this wrong? They told us to go home and stay your regions. When we did this and followed they're orders and we came back to them and said let's create a federal govt where each tribe stays his home region, they are now saying we don't want federalism. Then WTF do you want? Hawiye initiated this federalism, not PL. SSDF plan was an insurgency not clans-cleansing or it would've wiped out balanbal when they were based there. They wanted a democratic agenda read the NAME waryaa, it's somali salvation democratic front. The key word is 'democratic'. They wante siyad removed and the nation to return to election. Their mandate didn't include clans-cleansing nor did it include this federalism, they would've stayed in mogadishu and continued the centralized state of siyad barre.

Hawiye is a mess politically one minute they say they want a centralized state and when we tried that from 91-97, they won't let anyone be president except hawiye or any clan to live equally in Mogadishu they're supposed capital city. Then we tried Federalism which they initiated and continously tell people 'arey dhagaxina ku laabta', u heard that right? how many times u hear that from hawiye? well you son of a , I did return to my dhagax and I made it blossom, now what c*nt? and I am prepared to stay in my dhagax which is what you wanted all along, now get your FUFU ass to end this madness of civil war in the south and form a government for your regions and secure the capital and let's share this nation federally like YOU WANTED in the first place, remember you want everyone back in his regions, this is what you wanted MOTHERFUCKER. How dare @Dues Ex Machete @Shaolin23 blame PL for federalism, we never instigated this waryaa, go speak to hawiye who won't allow noone in mogadishu.
 
@PuntiteQueen @Dues Ex Machete @Cognitivedissonance the USC made it clear in 91 they want 'federalism' and every tribe must return to his home after they expelled all non hawiyes from the city. Is this wrong? They told us to go home and stay your regions. When we did this and followed they're orders and we came back to them and said let's create a federal govt where each tribe stays his home region, they are now saying we don't want federalism. Then WTF do you want? Hawiye initiated this federalism, not PL. SSDF plan was an insurgency not clans-cleansing or it would've wiped out balanbal when they were based there. They wanted a democratic agenda read the NAME waryaa, it's somali salvation democratic front. The key word is 'democratic'. They wante siyad removed and the nation to return to election. Their mandate didn't include clans-cleansing nor did it include this federalism, they would've stayed in mogadishu and continued the centralized state of siyad barre.

Hawiye is a mess politically one minute they say they want a centralized state and when we tried that from 91-97, they won't let anyone be president except hawiye or any clan to live equally in Mogadishu they're supposed capital city. Then we tried Federalism which they initiated and continously tell people 'arey dhagaxina ku laabta', u heard that right? how many times u hear that from hawiye? well you son of a , I did return to my dhagax and I made it blossom, now what c*nt? and I am prepared to stay in my dhagax which is what you wanted all along, now get your FUFU ass to end this madness of civil war in the south and form a government for your regions and secure the capital and let's share this nation federally like YOU WANTED in the first place, remember you want everyone back in his regions, this is what you wanted MOTHERFUCKER. How dare @Dues Ex Machete @Shaolin23 blame PL for federalism, we never instigated this waryaa, go speak to hawiye who won't allow noone in mogadishu.

ask your father about this era, which some ignorant indivualds attack while simultaneously uplifting thugs.
 
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I'll tell you why PIM will realize.
somaliland's independence is eminent and inevitable. Pl will seize that window of oppurtunity that it last missed. The horn will be several somali sattes that share language and culture, but wont be bound by any constitution.
 
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Welcome to the PIM family.

We do not to wait 30 more years to see Somalis are better apart as good neighbours.

I agree with the monarchy suggestion.

I do not care who rules as long as the Oil flows and there is no abuse and corruption.

We should have a council of elders from each major native clan that rules the land

Isimmada Barekeeysan.
 
I dare any of you to go to garowe with this PIM shit, the locals will laugh in your face :chrisfreshhah:
Clearly you guys don’t understand that the people of Puntland are the most patriotic Somalis and will never put down the Somali flag
Youre un informed. My brother inlaw was personal advisor to a puntland minister for 3 years, only recently since a few months ago did he resign. He wrote any and all papers not only for him but alot of other minister including, letters to the fgs. Indhaheygo shan ah ayu i tusay the secession warning letter, threatning to enact a certain clause that allows for full autonomy, in the scenariothe fgs wouldnt seize to meddle and hinder. Indha heygo shan ah ban arkey. That paper is always on standby. Dont mistake PLs cordiality and dhabanka shumis so dhoweyn of fgs to mean anything binding. Xurmo un bey naga tahey.
 
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