Professor Abdi Ismail Samatar “Arming tribes will condemn Somalia to perpetual hell”

[Rationale]

No one has armed MX and HG nomads in Galgaduud and every few weeks these same posters come here gleeing about killing rival clan militias there. Hypocrites and liars.

By the mercy of Allah khwarijta will be finished in our lands and that is what you are against not some bs about arming clan militias. Disturbing level of jaahilnimo.

 

[TekNiKo]

Say mashAllah to that and support the state building of Jubbaland.

JL state only exists in Free Gedo, do you mean the Kenyan occupied vice regency in Kismaayo? They havent liberated a major village in a decade.

I mean the normal civilian men from these clans already had weapons. Even Bantus and Madhibaan have tons of weapons. Everyone is armed is Somalia, if these people have enlisted in the SNA then it's another topic

Civilians are armed with AK and machine guns, they dont have the sophisticated dashiki pickuo trucks nor can they fund their own ammunition and logistics without FGS help. Only HAG are receiving these crucial support while others are ignored.

This will force smaller armed tribes like Gaaljacayl and Bantus to support AS.

As long as federalism, corruption and clan based politics exists smaller clans shall not risk another 91 where USC went rampant on them.

 

[TekNiKo]

No one has armed MX and HG nomads in Galgaduud and every few weeks these same posters come here gleeing about killing rival clan militias there. Hypocrites and liars.

By the mercy of Allah khwarijta will be finished in our lands and that is what you are against not some bs about arming clan militias. Disturbing level of jaahilnimo.

Are you seriously comparing Reer Mudug clans who are in perpetual state of war against each other to miskiin farmer minority tribes in the heavily diverse south. Your telling me a clan like Awrmale or Jajeele would be as armed in JL? What a stupid comparison

 

[Prince of HS]

JL state only exists in Free Gedo, do you mean the Kenyan occupied vice regency in Kismaayo? They havent liberated a major village in a decade.


Civilians are armed with AK and machine guns, they dont have the sophisticated dashiki pickuo trucks nor can they fund their own ammunition and logistics without FGS help. Only HAG are receiving these crucial support while others are ignored.

This will force smaller armed tribes like Gaaljacayl and Bantus to support AS.

As long as federalism, corruption and clan based politics exists smaller clans shall not risk another 91 where USC went rampant on them.

Shiidle and makane for the most part are Anti AS. It’s only the JL and KG Bantus who are pro As

 

[JigjigaKismaayo]

HSM learned this from farmaajo who started arming Gedo. I'll invoke the old somali saying ama afeefa hore lahaw ama adkaysi dambe lahaw.

 

[Rationale]

Are you seriously comparing Reer Mudug clans who are in perpetual state of war against each other to miskiin farmer minority tribes in the heavily diverse south. Your telling me a clan like Awrmale or Jajeele would be as armed in JL? What a stupid comparison

Im talking about to Macawiisley in general and the ones in Hirshabelle in particular, since they are real and on the ground. Not the hypothetical JL operation, wich will never happen aslong as the populations of JL are not reflected on the forces liberating the area.

Anyways I find it rich that you who xooged the farmers of Gedo, you who claim non MX towns of Doollo, Luuq and Baardheere here 24/7 talk about xaq of unarmed clans. Your clan has since 1991 with aid of Ethiopian arms committed unspeakable horrors in the Jubba valley. And even prior to that you systematically displaced them during the 21 years of hantiwadaag of Barres Kacaan. You are a thief so dont talk to me about JL "miskiin farmers".

Maybe you should address your squatter tribe. Every MX who ''owns'' Farms in JL just know it's Xaram property stolen from the unarmed masaakiin.

 

[Macawisley]

Only Hawiyo clan are getting arms thats why JL and KG cant do any macawiisleey operations.

Farmaajo has been sending weapons to Gedo every week when he was in office, where are those weapons or was it to defend yourself against President Madoobe? Isku xisho

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

Im talking about to Macawiisley in general and the ones in Hirshabelle in particular, since they are real and on the ground. Not the hypothetical JL operation, wich will never happen aslong as the populations of JL are not reflected on the forces liberating the area.

Anyways I find it rich that you who xooged the farmers of Gedo, you who claim non MX towns of Doollo, Luuq and Baardheere here 24/7 talk about xaq of unarmed clans. Your clan has since 1991 with aid of Ethiopian arms committed unspeakable horrors in the Jubba valley. And even prior to that you systematically displaced them during the 21 years of hantiwadaag of Barres Kacaan. You are a thief so dont talk to me about JL "miskiin farmers".
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Maybe you should address your squatter tribe. Every MX who ''owns'' Farms in JL just know it's Xaram property stolen from the unarmed masaakiin.

Macwiisley in Hirshabelle stole and looted a truck in Hiiaan not long ago, and even the Hiraan admin confirmed it and retrieved the truck from them.

Macwiisley = Moriyaan

And this is just one example we know of, how many go under the radar ?

 

[Prince of HS]

Macwiisley in Hirshabelle stole and looted a truck in Hiiaan not long ago, and even the Hiraan admin confirmed it and retrieved the truck from them.

Macwiisley = Moriyaan

And this is just one example we know of, how many go under the radar ?

The fact that you guys are criticising and purposefully doubting the biggest offensive against AS in past 6 years just because your uncle isn’t leading it.

you don’t want his political and tribal opponent to defeat the khawarij as it shows he did a better job than Farmaajo. That fact is astonishing to me

 

[Burqad]

Anything is better than the 15 year failed project known as AMISOM

 

[Prince of HS]

Anything is better than the 15 year failed project known as AMISOM

If south central somalia is cleared from AS, Amisom in HS, GM and Banadir need to leave. Burundi's, Ugandans etc will probably go before ATMIS deadline in 2024.

The kenyans in kismaayo/JL area I'm not too sure what they are gonna do

 

[TekNiKo]

The fact that you guys are criticising and purposefully doubting the biggest offensive against AS in past 6 years just because your uncle isn’t leading it.

you don’t want his political and tribal opponent to defeat the khawarij as it shows he did a better job than Farmaajo. That fact is astonishing to me

Arming tribes may temporarily remove AS but this govt is only addressing the systems not the problem. How come minority clan degaans are still under AS like Gaaljecel?

How will a post AS look with armed clan militias receiving the bulk of funding where do you think these minority clans who have PTSD from USC 90s era will trust armed militias. No.

It will be back to isbaaro hell as an Cabudwaaqi truck was looted in Hiiraan by macawiisley recently. You are mooryaan and Somalis dont trust you.

 

[Prince of HS]

Arming tribes may temporarily remove AS but this govt is only addressing the systems not the problem. How come minority clan degaans are still under AS like Gaaljecel?

How will a post AS look with armed clan militias receiving the bulk of funding where do you think these minority clans who have PTSD from USC 90s era will trust armed militias. No.

It will be back to isbaaro hell as an Cabudwaaqi truck was looted in Hiiraan by macawiisley recently. You are mooryaan and Somalis dont trust you.

your really daft if you dont think these clans were already armed to the teeth lol. There will never be large scale clan fighting in hawiye lands again no matter how much you daroods drool for it.

These macawiisley will be conscripted as local state police very soon inshallah

 

[Rationale]

Macwiisley in Hirshabelle stole and looted a truck in Hiiaan not long ago, and even the Hiraan admin confirmed it and retrieved the truck from them.

Macwiisley = Moriyaan

And this is just one example we know of, how many go under the radar ?

I show you a proof that your filthy quulle community are munaafiqiin and big fat thieves, never try to take moral higround on me yaa ibnu boon. I know what you are, filthy mooryaan that is.

Yet you cope by bringing up some random truck that got "stolen". While you fail to mention it was full of qarax.

Horta why do the MX feel like they can be a moral police? You are oppressing your own kin inside Cabudwaq no one wants advices or opinions from a gang of cawaans.

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

The fact that you guys are criticising and purposefully doubting the biggest offensive against AS in past 6 years just because your uncle isn’t leading it.

you don’t want his political and tribal opponent to defeat the khawarij as it shows he did a better job than Farmaajo. That fact is astonishing to me

Listen Alshabab is your problem to deal with, there is no Alshabab in my land, why do you think that is ? we have already eradicated them from our land and they aren't welcome. Whereas for every 10 hutu 5 are alshabab.

All I am saying is you don't put out a fire by adding more fuel, arming clans is going to fix absolutely nothing but it will create more complex problems.

 

[Prince of HS]

Listen Alshabab is your problem to deal with, there is no Alshabab in my land, why do you think that is ? we have already eradicated them from our land and they aren't welcome. Whereas for every 10 hutu 5 are alshabab.

All I am saying is you don't put out a fire by adding more fuel, arming clans is going to fix absolutely nothing but it will create more complex problems.

The lies of a boon scum disgust me. Check Gedo on this map and come tell me 'there is no AS in my lands again'

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[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

The lies of a boon scum disgust me. Check Gedo on this map and come tell me 'there is no AS in my lands again'

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name one town of Gedo that is under the control of Alshaydaan, you always rely on outdated BS, we don't have same problems as you.

 

[Prince of HS]

name one town of Gedo that is under the control of Alshaydaan, you always rely on outdated BS, we don't have same problems as you.

This map is one day ago lol but okay.

buusaar, ceel cade and fafahdun. Never heard of these shitholes before but all of these towns are under AS as of yesterday alongside swaths of gedo baadiyo.

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

This map is one day ago lol but okay.

buusaar, ceel cade and fafahdun. Never heard of these shitholes before but all of these towns are under AS as of yesterday alongside swaths of gedo baadiyo.

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I mean district, name me a district center in Gedo that is under Alshabab, not baadiyo.

 

[Rationale]

This map is one day ago lol but okay.

buusaar, ceel cade and fafahdun. Never heard of these shitholes before but all of these towns are under AS as of yesterday alongside swaths of gedo baadiyo.

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He is under Shabaab aswell? This guy who has shitted all over the forum "how Shabaab i s Hawiye problem"

What a loser this guy is not only fake news merchant but also sieged by shabaab. Wallee reer West Gedo are used to people not fact checking them. We are fighting shabaab they show no teeth to them.