[PROOF] Cape Guardafui belonged to EGYPT

[Huur]

Cape Guardafui belonged to Egypt not Ancient Ethiopia (a different civilization)

Source:
A geographical survey of Africa : its rivers, lakes, mountains, productions, states, populations
&c. with a map of an entirely new construction, to which is prefixed a letter to Lord John Russell regarding the slave trade and the improvement of Africa


by James McQueen, 1840

https://archive.org/details/geographicalsurv00macq

"The trade of Berbera is Chiefly in the hands of the Arab tribes called Somaulis, and one part where much of the trade is carried on, is called Bunder-cassim (Bosaso)..."
:siilaanyosmile:

Map of Africa

from 5.° south to 18.° North Latitude
and from 5.° to 44.° East Longitude
Constructed from the Latest Authorities by
James McQueen Esq. 1843

[Link]

[Link]

NOTE: Territories below Brava were NOT considered Somali territories at this time (1843).
If you take a look at the full map again, the regions we now know as the (Ogaden/Somali Galbeed/K5) was considered to be known as "The whole of this country inhabbited by the Galla Tribes" ... in 1843

 

[Grant]

It may be helpful to put this in context. It would have been 1869-1884 and it was "Ottoman Egypt". "Guardafui" is Mediterranean Lingua Franca and is clearly not Egyptian.. The cape was called "Aromata" in earlier times and was not under Egyptian control. During the period Aksum controlled the Red Sea Trade ( 2nd century BC-5th century AD), the produce of the north coast went to Himyarite ports in southern Arabia for transport to Rome. All other merchants were barred at the Bab el Mandeb, which is what gave rise to the Golden Age of Zeila.

http://www.mei.edu/sqcc/frankincense

This is under "Egypt" in the Dictionary:

http://shcas.shnu.edu.cn/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=mIT6VhON6/c=&tabid=12805&mid=31237&language=zh-CN

"Under the Mamluks (1250–1517), Egypt maintained commercial and cul-
tural relations with the Muslims of the Horn and provided military assistance
when Vasco da Gama bombarded
Mogadishu
in 1499, when Lope Suarez
took and burnt
Zayla
in 1517, and when Saldanha sacked Berbera the fol-
lowing year. However, it was Ottoman Egypt that supported
Ahmad
Gurey
’s
fath al-Habasha,
the conquest of Abyssinia, and prevented the
colonial advance of the Portuguese along the Somali coast. In 1869, Egypt,
under Khedive Isma’il Pasha, occupied the northern ports of Zayla and
Berbera and established a garrison at Harar, the center of the interior trade
routes of the Horn. Egyptian administration improved the ports by building
lighthouses and constructing freshwater facilities. In addition, the Egyptians
introduced a unified weighing system and currency. Moreover, they built
masjids,
mosque complexes, and schools that modernized education. They
also improved commercial sea links by ship and boat, secured caravan routes
to Harar and the interior, and constructed a telegraph facility. In 1875, Egypt
attempted to control the Somali coast from Ras Hafun to Kismayu, which it
renamed Pur Ismail (Port Ismail) after Khedive Isma’il Pasha. However, af-
ter
Britain
occupied Egypt in 1882, all Egyptian possessions became
British. In 1884, the northern ports came under a British protectorate and the
southern ports came under the sultan of
Zanzibar."
.

 

[Garad]

Cape Guardafui belonged to Egypt not Ancient Ethiopia (a different civilization)

Source:
A geographical survey of Africa : its rivers, lakes, mountains, productions, states, populations
&c. with a map of an entirely new construction, to which is prefixed a letter to Lord John Russell regarding the slave trade and the improvement of Africa


by James McQueen, 1840

https://archive.org/details/geographicalsurv00macq

"The trade of Berbera is Chiefly in the hands of the Arab tribes called Somaulis, and one part where much of the trade is carried on, is called Bunder-cassim (Bosaso)..."
:siilaanyosmile:

Map of Africa

from 5.° south to 18.° North Latitude
and from 5.° to 44.° East Longitude
Constructed from the Latest Authorities by
James McQueen Esq. 1843

[Link]

[Link]

NOTE: Territories below Brava were NOT considered Somali territories at this time (1843).
If you take a look at the full map again, the regions we now know as the (Ogaden/Somali Galbeed/K5) was considered to be known as "The whole of this country inhabbited by the Galla Tribes" ... in 1843

In 1840, Barawa came under the control of the Sultan of the Geledi clan of the Somali Rahanweyn. The city has historically been inhabited by the Tunni. The Oromo didn't inhabited the western drainage of the Jubba until the 16th century.
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Source:
https://books.google.com/books?id=OsMkDQAAQBAJ&pg=PA387&dq="subduing+the+coastal+town+of+brava+in+1840"&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiPx-njpezUAhUBoD4KHeCRCaMQ6AEIJDAA#v=onepage&q="subduing the coastal town of brava in 1840"&f=false

 

[Garad]

It may be helpful to put this in context. It would have been 1869-1884 and it was "Ottoman Egypt". "Guardafui" is Mediterranean Lingua Franca and is clearly not Egyptian.. The cape was called "Aromata" in earlier times and was not under Egyptian control. During the period Aksum controlled the Red Sea Trade ( 2nd century BC-5th century AD), the produce of the north coast went to Himyarite ports in southern Arabia for transport to Rome. All other merchants were barred at the Bab el Mandeb, which is what gave rise to the Golden Age of Zeila.

http://www.mei.edu/sqcc/frankincense

This is under "Egypt" in the Dictionary:

http://shcas.shnu.edu.cn/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=mIT6VhON6/c=&tabid=12805&mid=31237&language=zh-CN

"Under the Mamluks (1250–1517), Egypt maintained commercial and cul-
tural relations with the Muslims of the Horn and provided military assistance
when Vasco da Gama bombarded
Mogadishu
in 1499, when Lope Suarez
took and burnt
Zayla
in 1517, and when Saldanha sacked Berbera the fol-
lowing year. However, it was Ottoman Egypt that supported
Ahmad
Gurey
’s
fath al-Habasha,
the conquest of Abyssinia, and prevented the
colonial advance of the Portuguese along the Somali coast. In 1869, Egypt,
under Khedive Isma’il Pasha, occupied the northern ports of Zayla and
Berbera and established a garrison at Harar, the center of the interior trade
routes of the Horn. Egyptian administration improved the ports by building
lighthouses and constructing freshwater facilities. In addition, the Egyptians
introduced a unified weighing system and currency. Moreover, they built
masjids,
mosque complexes, and schools that modernized education. They
also improved commercial sea links by ship and boat, secured caravan routes
to Harar and the interior, and constructed a telegraph facility. In 1875, Egypt
attempted to control the Somali coast from Ras Hafun to Kismayu, which it
renamed Pur Ismail (Port Ismail) after Khedive Isma’il Pasha. However, af-
ter
Britain
occupied Egypt in 1882, all Egyptian possessions became
British. In 1884, the northern ports came under a British protectorate and the
southern ports came under the sultan of
Zanzibar."
.

During the first century the far-sided markets on the northern Somali coast sold directly to the Romans, Greeks, Indians, etc. The Himyar did not serve as middlemen. On the other hand, Zanzibars claim to the southern ports during the 19th century was also nominal. Cities such as Mogadishu and Brava were in the hand of the Geledi.
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Source:
http://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/ancient/periplus.asp
https://books.google.com/books?id=vTQOAQAAMAAJ&dq=geledi+control+mogadishu&focus=searchwithinvolume&q="the+Geledi+sultanate+(Digil+clan)+controlled+Mogadishu,+Afgoi+and+1+Brava"

 

[Grant]

During the first century the far-sided markets on the northern Somali coast sold directly to the Romans, Greeks, Indians, etc. The Himyar did not serve as middlemen. On the other hand, Zanzibars claim to the southern ports during the 19th century was also nominal. Cities such as Mogadishu and Brava were in the hand of the Geledi.
____
Source:
http://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/ancient/periplus.asp
https://books.google.com/books?id=vTQOAQAAMAAJ&dq=geledi+control+mogadishu&focus=searchwithinvolume&q="the+Geledi+sultanate+(Digil+clan)+controlled+Mogadishu,+Afgoi+and+1+Brava"

'7. From this place the Arabian Gulf trends toward the east and becomes narrowest just before the Gulf of Avalites. After about four thousand stadia, for those sailing eastward along the same coast, there are other Berber market-towns, known as the 'far-side' ports; lying at intervals one after the other, without harbors but having roadsteads where ships can anchor and lie in good weather. The first is called Avalites; to this place the voyage from Arabia to the far-side coast is the shortest. Here there is a small market-town called Avalites, which must be reached by boats and rafts. There are imported into this place, flint glass, assorted; juice of sour grapes from Diospolis; dressed cloth, assorted, made for the Berbers; wheat, wine, and a little tin. There are exported from the same place, and sometimes by the Berbers themselves crossing on rafts to Ocelis and Muza on the opposite shore, spices, a little ivory, tortoise-shell, and a very little myrrh, but better than the rest. And the Berbers who live in the place are very unruly."

Ships coming from the west, mostly Roman, were permitted to travel east. Ships coming from the east, especially Indian, were stopped at the Bab el Mandeb, to prevent competition and to prevent the Romans from realizing the spices were not local. Until very late in the game Himyar carried virtually all the trade going west. Check the relationship between Rome and Charabael of Himyar in the Periplus.

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Geledi control was limited and divided and came after 1843. Zanzibar controlled when it's ships were in port. The Geledi were stronger only in the hinterland. Control of the Banadir was divided. And it was Zanzibar that sold out to the Italians, not the Geledi.

"Yet, the sultan of Zamzibar’s power was vague and uncertain compared with the direct influence exerted by the Geledi Sultanate in the lower Shabeelle, which dominated the hinterland for about 100 years, from the end of the eighteenth century to the end of the nineteenth century and the Italian colonial rule. Yet the Sultan of Geledi did not generally dispute the Sultan of Zanzibar’s position, and the two sultans were friends and maintained between them a delicate balance of control over the Benaadir.[25]"

https://muslimsinafrica.wordpress.c...the-forgotten-somali-jihad-dr-moshe-terdiman/

"...the Baardheere Jama’ah spread its influence in most of the inter-riverine region between the Shabeelle and the Jubba rivers. In the mid-1830s, the Baardheere Jama’ah decided to expand its sphere of influence to the surrounding clans and, thus, entered a militant phase, first under Sheikh Ali Duure and Sheikh Abiker Aden Dhurow then under Sherif Abdirahman and Sherif Ibrahim. They fought the Oromo Borana to the west of the Jubba River, they conquered farming settlements to the southeast of Baardheere, they attacked and destroyed the trading town of Luuq on the Jubba River to the north, and, finally, in 1840, they extended their rule to the coast, conquering the villages of Baidoa, Molimad, and the coastal town of Baraawe (Brava), the historic seat of the Qadiriyyah Order, forcing its inhabitants, who appealed to the Sultan of Zanzibar for protection, to submit to the new regulations and to pay an annual tax.[24]

It is not clear whether the Sultan of Zanzibar sent forces to help the inhabitants of Baraawe or not. But, it is important to mention in this context that by the middle of the nineteenth century, the southern Benaadir coast as a whole recognized the suzerainty of Zanzibar, especially after the Omani dominions were divided and Sayyid Said moved his capital from Muscat to Zanzibar in 1840. Yet, the sultan of Zamzibar’s power was vague and uncertain compared with the direct influence exerted by the Geledi Sultanate in the lower Shabeelle, which dominated the hinterland for about 100 years, from the end of the eighteenth century to the end of the nineteenth century and the Italian colonial rule. Yet the Sultan of Geledi did not generally dispute the Sultan of Zanzibar’s position, and the two sultans were friends and maintained between them a delicate balance of control over the Benaadir.[25]

However, it is clear that the expansion of the Baardheere Jama’ah upset the Sultan of the Geledi at Afgooye, near Mogadishu, who in this period was the major leader in southern Somalia. The Sultan of the Geledi was nominated from among the Goobroon linage. The Goobroon lineage had traditionally held a position of social pre-eminence because of the formidable mystical powers conferred on it, which were based on the religious prestige of their sheikhs. For this reason, the Goobroon had historically held power among the Geledi and related clans, producing a line of autocratic rulers who wielded authority in extensive areas of the Shabeelle basin.[26]

Thus, the conquest of the coastal town of Baraawe by the Baardheere Jama’ah was a very significant event since at the time Baraawe was a noted center of Sufi learning and the historical seal of the Qadiriyyah Order, where the then Sultan of the Geledi, Yusuf Mahamud Ibrahim (d. 1848), had studied.[27] Therefore, seizure of Baraawe challenged the religious power of the Sultan of Geledi. Moreover, the Baardheere Jama’ah curbed the lucrative ivory trade, which was a major source of income for the local population residing in the region at that period, as well as threatened their traditional way of life.

Therefore, it is no surprise that the conquest of Barrawe and the dramatic success of the Baardheere Jama’ah provoked a concerted response from the clans of the inter-river areas under the charismatic leadership of the Geledi Sultan. The Sultanate mobilized an expedition force of 40,000 from all clans, and after a few days of siege, stormed Baardheere and completely burned it, while all its inhabitants were killed or fled. With the deaths of Sherif Abdirahman and Sherif Ibrahim in battle, the first instance of jihad in southern Somalia and in Somalia in general came to an end. [28]"

 

[Huur]

Punt = Somali Coast

in earlier times and was not under Egyptian control.

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Source:
A history of Egypt, from the earliest times to the Persian conquest:
By James Henry Breasted, Ph.D. - 1912

[Link]

 

[Grant]

Punt = Somali Coast

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Source:
A history of Egypt, from the earliest times to the Persian conquest:
By James Henry Breasted, Ph.D. - 1912

[Link]

Here's the full quote:

"The cape was called "Aromata" in earlier times and was not under Egyptian control. During the period Aksum controlled the Red Sea Trade ( 2nd century BC-5th century AD), the produce of the north coast went to Himyarite ports in southern Arabia for transport to Rome. All other merchants were barred at the Bab el Mandeb, which is what gave rise to the Golden Age of Zeila."

First, Breasted was writing in 1912. Second, his map of the "Ancient World" doen't even include Cape Guardafui. Even Hatshepsut only claimed up to Punt, never claiming any control over it.

"My southern boundary is as far as Punt."

 

[Grant]

In particular, read this page for a real kick in the pants. The very large river called Webbe or Yass enters the sea at Mogdosha or Makdishu. The town of Jubah is at the mouth of a river just south of the equator. The river is called the Zebee or Kibbee or the Acco. This was written in 1843!

 

[Huur]

Here's the full quote:

"The cape was called "Aromata" in earlier times and was not under Egyptian control. During the period Aksum controlled the Red Sea Trade ( 2nd century BC-5th century AD), the produce of the north coast went to Himyarite ports in southern Arabia for transport to Rome. All other merchants were barred at the Bab el Mandeb, which is what gave rise to the Golden Age of Zeila."

"Cape Guardafui was known to the ancients under the name of Aromata..."

by James McQueen, 1840

https://archive.org/details/geographicalsurv00macq

"...Egypt, as early as days the days of Sesostris, had extended her conquering arms far to the south of Cape Guardafui..."

First, Breasted was writing in 1912.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Henry_Breasted








Here are more recent texts regarding the Land of Punt

Empire of Ancient Egypt, Wendy Christensen - 2009
[Link]

Second, his map of the "Ancient World" doen't even include Cape Guardafui.

Are you implying that Cape Guardafui wasn't part of "The Land of Punt"?

 

[Grant]

"Cape Guardafui was known to the ancients under the name of Aromata..."











"...Egypt, as early as days the days of Sesostris, had extended her conquering arms far to the south of Cape Guardafui..."












https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Henry_Breasted








Here are more recent texts regarding the Land of Punt

Empire of Ancient Egypt, Wendy Christensen - 2009
[Link]









Are you implying that Cape Guardafui wasn't part of "The Land of Punt"?

Your first link says Breasted died in 1935 at the age of seventy. Your second link and quote says Egyptians developed the square sail to drive ships up and down the Nile. This has nothing to do with Punt or Guardafui. You are quoting irrelevant authors and data in one long troll.