Puntland Needs To Adopt Evidence Based Politics

[DR OSMAN]

I have re iterated this many times but I'm sure it falls on deaf ears as usual, empty words isn't the same weight or measure as words with evidence tied to it. Politics need policies policies need to address fundamental areas such as social, economical, security, foreign policy. How are policies weighed and measured is what is called evidence based politics. I think we can agree universally that we all want Puntland to be successful, am I correct?

Well that's not politics that's called the regional objective, the question is how to reach those objectives. Most of you assess the character of the leader which is important but it's not the only factor, I've seen many good character people but dumb as rocks also and your regional goal is never achieved. I've met bad character bosses who were highly competent and ensuring people had jobs to return to and even financial growth. Character and track record are important metrics but it's not the only metrics about good leadership.

I've yet to see anyone in our region actually discuss how their policy whether it's targetting social, economical, security, foreign policy will address Puntland regional goal of success. How do we measure and weight their policy? Does PL need to create policy to goal metric?

How do I for example say assess a leader economic policy and its performance? Where is the economist who presents the economic stages such agagarian(natural resources), industrial(raw resource converted to goods), service(sales, customer service, etc), knowledge and research, what area of the economic stages is being targetted or maturing, what is the local competitive advantage in this area, how and which area of gdp does this advance, what are the incentives for the investing class, how are they even set up(fully foreign, fully local, half half), how does this add to govt revenues? How do we measure this space and over all market space for growth, declines, trough, flat? How is this visually presented to the govt or leader of the day about his policy and its return on investment over time such as days, weeks, month, years, decades, century.

To measure change is already an established mathematics field such as integrals and derivatives and can be shown if it grows, decline, flat lines, all you need is xyz, inputs given, outputs delivered, time axis which can be measured at precise points down to weeks and months and can forecast years to decades, every policy brings about change and we need to measure it and inform our leaders of the benefit or consequences of their idea or policy, once we enter this realm of politics now it's down to evidence based and calculating every idea presented using established academic principles.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Mind you what I'm suggesting isn't just for economics, you apply weight and measure to any policy proposed across any social, economical, security, foreign policy. What is a govt purpose but to deliver better tommorow then where it was yesterday, that's the whole idea underpinning it's role and they cannot do this without policies and policies weighed and measured.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Our leaders really need to sit down and talk about what they agree on first and p,ut aside what they disagree on because that will eventually be some middle road solution anyways. But we got to set up frameworks and policies for our discussions, this is madness how politics is carried out there.

The framework for economic development needs to follow a set up that we all agree on such as how do we increase consumption, well that reports to people need jobs to develop wealth, that reports to investors foreign or local or both. So how do we create job well that reports to skills investment, then U discuss what type of skill and what is the competitive advantage we offer and what volume or scale can it reach.

What are investor looking for to create jobs? What are investors and workers looking from govt? Once the framework is set up, you have people at least conducting a discourse in some productive way and then it's about weighing and measuring their policy vs regional objective or department objective or social objective.

You can even do for it security sector, set up a framework and goal post. What do we expect from them, how do we measure and weight them? What is their objective their addressing, how are they addressing it currently, do we want each bullet expended hitting a head of the enemy or logistic or high value target? What needs to be put in place for that? Do we want to end our enemies permanently or temporarily. Is the enemy inside or outside more priority? Then get down to discussion, discourse, formulate a policy and execute and begun weight and measure on its success or failure.

I mean we don't even have a damn budget policy that every govt has to follow like essential and discretionary funding, these guys even rob essentials allocation that even they need to just to stay afloat and society it's called needs based budget allocation vs a desires based budget. Noone in any sane govt allows for needs based allocation to ever be touched irrespective of policies.

 

[Hilmaam]

Is society built top down ? You want politicians to solve everyone’s problems. I think it’s opposite and society built bottom up. The terrible politics reflection of society it’s not some anomaly

If you have a motivated people who are honest and hardworking they will build good house for them and their family. enough people do it you have good neighborhood, then good town, good city and then good country.but if most of society corrupt and content living in mess then no politician can change system. Imagine worlds poorest country frowns on manual labor and uses Oromos and Bantus for this. If you to unmotivated to do manual labor you to unmotivated to build your country. Mexicans who have decent standard of living come to America and do all the hard manual labor jobs like picking fruit in blazing sun, doing dangerous construction for hardly and money, working in restaurants for dirt cheap. Even in Minnesota which is super far from border u will find many doing all the cooking for somali restaurants.

I also notice this in gulf countries but at least they have a lot of oil money and have execuse to be lazy . But once that money dries up bye bye to their southeast Asian slave work force who work for couple dollars

 

[DR OSMAN]

Is society built top down ? You want politicians to solve everyone’s problems. I think it’s opposite and society built bottom up. The terrible politics reflection of society it’s not some anomaly

If you have a motivated people who are honest and hardworking they will build good house for them and their family. enough people do it you have good neighborhood, then good town, good city and then good country.but if most of society corrupt and content living in mess then no politician can change system. Imagine worlds poorest country frowns on manual labor and uses Oromos and Bantus for this. If you to unmotivated to do manual labor you to unmotivated to build your country. Mexicans who have decent standard of living come to America and do all the hard manual labor jobs like picking fruit in blazing sun, doing dangerous construction for hardly and money, working in restaurants for dirt cheap. Even in Minnesota which is super far from border u will find many doing all the cooking for somali restaurants.

I also notice this in gulf countries but at least they have a lot of oil money and have execuse to be lazy . But once that money dries up bye bye to their southeast Asian slave work force who work for couple dollars

Bottom up and Top Down merges and blends it's not one or the other, there is areas bottom up works such as sourcing ideas from the public, sourcing ideas from academics and its politicians who turn this into a policy.

I'm just saying we need to set up some sort of framework before anything is discussed which identifies the goals we seek in society or domain, this is the goal post.

Then it's policy discussion time and then the key most crucial final step grading, measuring, weighting those policies and how it addresses the framework goals, which one does it the best, quickest, has the bests trade off in benefits and losses, and u gotta monitor this month to month and year to year using some measurement tool to see the rate of change happening in that space and the direction it's heading in terms of spikes, curves, flatness, decline, etc.

I'm not saying I have every possible idea for every challenge or potential opportunity but I do know you need 3 things. The framework or goal post so everyone is following the right course. 2. Ideas and Policies. 3. Weighting and measuring it over time. That is the actual nidaam of politics or it turns into a shit fest with nothing be achieved or being achieved so slowly it's pointless.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Hilmaam I don't get the issue with your clan Leelkase, I mean sure u don't like MJs due to some history or degaan issue, but surely u can rise above such shit at least if something useful is presented, right? I'm sure your going to say u don't hate PL, but I never see your criticism ever turn constructive(providing an alternative) it's always the same blame, blame, blame and throw our negativities but never what is a solution to your own criticism which only means your end goal is lawlessness, chaos, and devolving.

I mean you probably don't even know your constant criticism of everything done can lead to a 91 outcome if u don't provide an alternative.

I feel like sometimes agreeing with MJs, just throw these leelkase into GM and we wish u the best in that zoo and take away all the peace, progress, galdogob achieved under PL. I feel like taking away your role as a tuurdibi dry port, your attitude doesn't deserve it, what u deserve is a galmudug existence which even towfiq and dhinowda folks ran into PL and progressing.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Hilmaam I don't get the issue with your clan Leelkase, I mean sure u don't like MJs due to some history or degaan issue, but surely u can rise above such shit at least if something useful is presented, right? I'm sure your going to say u don't hate PL, but I never see your criticism ever turn constructive(providing an alternative) it's always the same blame, blame, blame and throw our negativities but never what is a solution to your own criticism which only means your end goal is lawlessness, chaos, and devolving.

I mean you probably don't even know your constant criticism of everything done can lead to a 91 outcome if u don't provide an alternative.

I feel like sometimes agreeing with MJs, just throw these leelkase into GM and we wish u the best in that zoo and take away all the peace, progress, galdogob achieved under PL. I feel like taking away your role as a tuurdibi dry port, your attitude doesn't deserve it, what u deserve is a galmudug existence which even towfiq and dhinowda folks ran into PL and progressing.

PPL think I'm some clannist seeking harm if I was why does everything I criticise also is balanced with an alternative(that's wax dhisid constructive criticism) nor destructive which has all the elements of criticism and no alternative which majority of Somalis do, they are the clannist, as no alternative means a vacuum, a 91, a devolving and chaos and lawlessness. I never criticise anything if I don't know what can make it better, yet I'm a clannist according to the clowns here.

When the hell have I criticised hawiye or isaaq without offering them a better solution?

 

[Hilmaam]

PPL think I'm some clannist seeking harm if I was why does everything I criticise also is balanced with an alternative(that's wax dhisid constructive criticism) nor destructive which has all the elements of criticism and no alternative which majority of Somalis do, they are the clannist, as no alternative means a vacuum, a 91, a devolving and chaos and lawlessness. I never criticise anything if I don't know what can make it better, yet I'm a clannist according to the clowns here.

When the hell have I criticised hawiye or isaaq without offering them a better solution?

i dont think hawiye and isaaq want your criticism. from their point of view they better off than u. just like you dont want to hear their criticism because you think your region has all the answers. I will keep criticizing even though nobody wants to hear it, people need to admit there is problem before we can discuss solutions

 

[DR OSMAN]

i dont think hawiye and isaaq want your criticism. from their point of view they better off than u. just like you dont want to hear their criticism because you think your region has all the answers. I will keep criticizing even though nobody wants to hear it, people need to admit there is problem before we can discuss solutions

Yes there is problems in PL, the only real thing I heard that has some validity is maxamud saleban thing, even tho it's not law or has any legal basis, it has been an official political culture which has led to alot of negative backlash which internal and external actors exploit.

This political culture needs absolute reforming for which I agree with opposition. The best man should lead irrespective of his clan origin, you all benefit when the best is leading, not lose. Plus there is a constitution and common political pact between founding clans to build ourselves and help Somalis rebuild where we can, excellent founding pillars. Our goal post are set and it's unbeatable compared to the other goal post in the nation.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Hilmaam

In PL I think we need to reform some of the founding goal post not replace it just tweak it to we will help ourselves first and help Somalis where we can as long as those Somalis hold the same value(eliminates the thugs).

 

[Hilmaam]

@Hilmaam

In PL I think we need to reform some of the founding goal post not replace it just tweak it to we will help ourselves first and help Somalis where we can as long as those Somalis hold the same value(eliminates the thugs).

Big power plants cheap electricity, major factories, desalination plants this is stuff i hope to see. All built by somalis without aid or relying on outsiders to do all the engineering and labor. This is signs of country on the rise. But a govt with small budget due to a small economy for nation our size its tough.

maybe govt should fire everyone ask for volunteers until it has real budget and spend money on infrastructure. tired of all the money going to salaries. whats point of govt that collect taxes and aid for it all to go to salaries. im sure there are enough patriots who would do job for free to get country on feet

 

[_Yusuf_]

i dont think hawiye and isaaq want your criticism. from their point of view they better off than u. just like you dont want to hear their criticism because you think your region has all the answers. I will keep criticizing even though nobody wants to hear it, people need to admit there is problem before we can discuss solutions

Some MJs on here remind me of the relative that holds gifts over your head. Every time with the road redirect shit. Like damn are you lending or giving?