Puntland Needs To Separate From Somalia

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Why are puntites addicted to this see and wait situation with Somalia? Our forefathers in 98 saw waiting for Mogadishu was a futile strategy because they knew hg and abgaal had a Haram pact after the 4 month war to forget government and split Mogadishu and just enjoy the loot and isbaaro. They agreed to this after seeing that a govt will only create bloodshed for them and therefore the best solution was no govt and live in Haram. Our founding fathers knew this everytime a bogus national conference was held they knew that hawiye was only showing up to create some disagreement so their Haram pact isn't disturbed.

They are the only clan who all their wealth today is rooted in 91 darod assets or govt assets. They redistrbuted this Haram into other Haram whether it's telecoms or buildings, but anything with Haram roots means they will forever be in destruction which won't change today or tomorrow or 100 years from now. So it baffles me why Puntland adopts this see and wait game as if that will change Mogadishu situation because it won't and only one losing is Puntland.

No joke these yellow eyed Moryans will never change. Their still looting thru isbaaro on other Somali clans on the highway or towns, their still looting land in the south. Now their looting Islam getting 300 million a year and redistributing into businesses and real estates and let's not kid ourselves and blame rahanwayn or.5 foot soldiers all they get is petty 100 dollars while Shabab leadership pocket the rest of millions. Who is Shabab leadership? 90% habar gedir and token clans for national qurxin.

All they care about is loot and all Puntland cares for is a national state, you can't reconcile these differences because their looting will always end in instability and destruction which is counter to Puntland goals. So our next leader and I don't care what clan he hails from or what his programs are in 2024 he must accept that you need to make a decision for Puntland people well being like our forefathers did in 98. We need leaders with backbone and visionaries like our 1998 founding fathers not this current crop of wait and see stooges.

Current models our leader can discuss about Puntland relationship with Mogadishu can include full blown secession or a confederation or even hybrid federation like China and Hong kong for 99 years duration with reviews each 25 years to see if Mogadishu has reached the necessary milestones such as security, political stability, civilian economic development(not Haram looting ganacsato development), rule of law, infrastructure development, and most imp ortantly recognition from their own local and foreigners about their direction and performance. Puntland must disregard gentleman agreements or heeshish hoose meel fog ma gaarto but we need these guidelines as a way to test the federal govt with and this must not change from govt to govt but be a shared unified policy and our state posture towards Mogadishu irrespective of time period or change of governments.
 
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The people of Mogadishu don't have any confidence in the SFG and foreigners are holed up in halane shipping containers. This should tell Puntland leader meeshasi rajo ma jiro due to their looting interest and govt interest doesn't reconcile and never will. Why are you talking to a govt who his own locals say they prefer terrorists over hawiye leader because hawiye leaders are known as the poorest clan as they are the ones who do the looting and isbaaro while other richer clans don't.
 

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War beesha hawiye harantasi bay doorteen which comes with a side effect Inay tirtirman gebigooda since the only thing in between a clan and extinction is government and they can't merge govt while maintaining haram interests.

They.obviously chose haram as their ppl enjoy the extinction game playing out on them whether its security or their food being imported from shacab dhisan or their disease ridden due to no health plus no jobs so they on the brink of extinction.

What silly is puntland chose its ppl interest and survival comes first so your in direct contradiction to hawiye pact which is why all we see is 20 year time waste and this further harms somali relation at all levels as.ppl r fed up the longer this wait and see continues way kala dilaysa Somalis.
 

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I wish I could tag puntite queen in this to hear her thoughts but she has that gibberish in her name
 

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I wish I could tag puntite queen in this to hear her thoughts but she has that gibberish in her name

Yeah I can't tag Puntite queen either. My point is hawiye chose they prefer a slim 100 ppl business class enjoy looting and redistributing into real estate or telecoms while 99% as a result suffer no govt and instability and diseases and no school to develop a skill to earn and all their food is tied to food aid or junk thrown out from other countries.

Thats the loss you must accept if you choose looting interests it comes with extinction side effect for your people as your govt will not exist or cannot carry out its duties to save its ppl. So it baffles me why puntland leaders play the wait and see game as if those variables in mogadishu will change and only one losing is our people due to our leaders having no backbone or vision like our 98 forefathers.
 
Majerteens: filthy secessionist traitor idoor scum how dare you betray your fellow Somali brothers for your own selfish goals?

Also majerteens:
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@Al Adnani your govt is built on the hate of others not for the love of your people. That type of arrangement is short sighted and if Somalia stepped away from Somaliland your leaders know they can't hold Somaliland together as it was created with an enemy in mind and if that enemy isnt there to play that role for them, they also know their state will collapse overnight due to internal divisions returning between the habar clans.

I mean it got so bad you guys even chose a gadabursi dahir rayale to rule you. You guys think Somalis don't know how bad your division is? You see thats why PL or Abdullahi Yusuf TFG and even sharif/hsm/farmaajo would limit themselves discussing SL cause they refuse to bite your embattled leaders bait in order to deflect from your own internal hatred for each other.
 
@Al Adnani your govt is built on the hate of others not for the love of your people. That type of arrangement is short sighted and if Somalia stepped away from Somaliland your leaders know they can't hold Somaliland together as it was created with an enemy in mind and if that enemy isnt there to play that role for them, they also know their state will collapse overnight due to internal divisions returning between the habar clans.

I mean it got so bad you guys even chose a gadabursi dahir rayale to rule you. You guys think Somalis don't know how bad your division is? You see thats why PL or Abdullahi Yusuf TFG and even sharif/hsm/farmaajo would limit themselves discussing SL cause they refuse to bite your embattled leaders bait in order to deflect from your own internal hatred for each other.
As if the cumar maxamuud and ciise maxamuud are not chimping out against each other as we speak foh araanjaan done way more damage than gacaan libax ever could
 

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I used to hear this Isaaq guy on somnet call MJ stealth secessionists

We want a genuine federal govt following Puntland model as that has proven to work and we wish all Somalis to do it. But we are stealth realists and we shouldn't sit idly not exercising other options if that vision isn't seen thru due to some paranoid looter or ex warlord or terrorist wearing hag who constantly places obstacles and jambals for ulterior motives serving the interest of their looting business class who love the war economy like collecting 300 million a year since 2009 on the Shabab card that's what U call war economy. Or NGO rackets on food aid and land rent on idps is war economy

We don't share the same vision bro as war economy comes with diseases and hunger and death and no govt which harms 99% of your ppl well being. I understand we.share different goals and I'm not trying to change you because your a yellow eyed Moryan but my fury is towards our wait and see gutless stooge leadership with no backbone or vision like our 98 founding forefathers. It's been long enough and we need to discuss nuclear options not this wait n see posture as if that is a strategy with any positive result.
 
My issue with SNM seccessionism is that they want to steal Harti land. That is all. Somalia is a mistake. Majeerteen descend from autonomous Kingdoms and Sultanates, we tried to help this disaster of a country by creating SYL. However, we all know what happened when power was stolen by wax magarato Kacaanists.

If Kismaayo was right next to Puntland, I think we would have flirted with seccessionism ourselves!
 
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I think it hilarious that the MJs mock Δ°saaq for their own political choices while copying every Δ°saaq policy.

LOL

What is Isaaq? When we had Majeerteenia and Hobyo Sultanate, where were these people? We had independence and governance before Somalia even existed. Some of you need to learn basic history before typing.
 

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My issue with SNM seccessionism is that they want to steal Harti land. That is all. Somalia is a mistake. Majeerteen descend from autonomous Kingdoms and Sultanates, we tried to help this disaster of a country by creating SYL. However, we all know what happened when power was stolen by youknowwho.

If Kismaayo was right next to Puntland, I think we would have flirted with seccessionism ourselves!
Everything went downhill when a darood took over lol
 
When did we say that? We don't care if you decide to even join Ethiopia tomorrow idooroow. Our problem with the khat people was always with claiming SSC region.

Exactly. We have always maintained that nobody cares where they go, as long as they keep their thieving hands away from Harti land.
 

Garaad Awal

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The same guys that supported Dhulos against SL because they hold Somalia’s sovereignty dear to their hearts weren’t actually genuine. Nobody ever seen this coming. I thought these Jabarti clans were proud Somali nationalists /s
 

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