Saudi Arabia and Israel are allies in secret
- Thread starter CryptoSomali
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It's quite obvious since both view Iran as their biggest threat. Iran has influence over Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and now Yemen. The Houthi militia was created by Iran to counter Israel's expansion and they're based in Lebanon.
Saudi Arabia including other nations in the gulf all have good relations with Israel. Them not recognizing Israel was an act to fool other Muslim countries into thinking they're on Palestine's side. These Wahhabis are frauds.
Saudi Arabia including other nations in the gulf all have good relations with Israel. Them not recognizing Israel was an act to fool other Muslim countries into thinking they're on Palestine's side. These Wahhabis are frauds.
CryptoSomali
DAAGAAL
I think you meant Hezb’allah was created to counter Israel’s expansion, they’re the ones based in Lebanon. Houthis on the other hand are in Yemen fighting and seemingly winning against Saudi Arabia currently.
Other than that you’re correct, Wahhabis are a vile and deceptive group of people.
Yes, I meant Hezbollah. I didn't realize I said Houthi. It was a simple mistype.
Saudi Arabia is heading in the wrong direction especially with the young prince in power. The fool deposed Bin Nayef on false charges of Treason just to finesse the prince title. He doesn't realize he's making more enemies than he already has. Just from seeing how he handled Khashoggi and his poor handling of Yemen we will most likely see Saudi Arabia deteriorate under his control.
These Arabs are so two faced I don't want Somalia doing business with them
Saudi and Salafi don't mean the same thing. Being against Sufi bid'ah and wanting to follow Islam as it was originally understood do not necessarily mean being a partisan of the Saudi government. There are some Salafis who are super pro-Saudi but Salafism in itself doesn't necessarily imply any particular viewpoint on the Saudi government. What the Saudi government does has no bearing on whether mawlid is bid'ah or not.
I don't talk bad against the Saudi government just like I don't talk bad against Farmaajo or Imran Khan. It is not that I'm a Farmaajo supporter, for example. It's just that I don't make takfir on these governments and I don't believe in talking bad about Muslim governments. So I'm not willing to talk bad about Saudi just like I'm not willing to talk bad about Farmaajo. It doesn't necessarily mean I agree with them. I'm just quiet.
But Iran I am willing to talk about.
I think Iran's opposition to Israel and the US is fake. I don't believe them at all. They chant "death to America" and they helped the US invade Iraq and Afghanistan. Saddam was a real opponent of Israel. US invaded Iraq. Iran always talks like they're about to go to war with US, US about to invade them and it never happens. It's been "US will invade any minute" for like forty years.
But Iran I am willing to talk about.
I think Iran's opposition to Israel and the US is fake. I don't believe them at all. They chant "death to America" and they helped the US invade Iraq and Afghanistan. Saddam was a real opponent of Israel. US invaded Iraq. Iran always talks like they're about to go to war with US, US about to invade them and it never happens. It's been "US will invade any minute" for like forty years.
Iran is supposed to be this ultimate opposition of Israel and the US.... "death to America" they chant as they murder Sunnis
CryptoSomali
DAAGAAL
The term Salaf basically means the first three generations of Islam. The modern Salafi movement however, hijacked that term and have nothing to do with the Salaf. What they really should be called is Wahhabi’s who have no respect for classical or modern scholars or the four Imam’s (Hanifa, Malik, Shafi’i, Hanbal) and skip 1000 years of Islamic works just to focus in on Abdul Wahhab, a 18th century takfiri who was the ISIS leader of his time, also they promote Ibn Taymiyyah and keep his grave intact while destroying all other graves in the time of Muhammad. They waste their time trying to refute everyone and making takfir which is why the ‘Salafi’ title has been ruined.
They ironically say they’re against Bida’a but they’re the ones literally tampering and mistranslating books like Riyadh-us-Saliheen by An-Nawawi to fit their Wahhabi interpretations. They’re the ones trying to hide and bury Sunni hadith which show the practice of Tawassul which is common among not only Sufi’s but all Muslim’s throughout history.
They’re a dry and legalistic cult that have corrupted the image of Islam and that’s why you see a massive burnout among them and their steep decline
we need to be self dependent
What's your view on Mawlid?
CryptoSomali
DAAGAAL
Not haram at all
I rest my case.
CryptoSomali
DAAGAAL
You had no case to begin with. All you did was attempt to romanticize the modern Salafi movement and got exposed.
Not a single wahhabi has been able to prove that mawlid is haram. Your best bet is calling it Bid’a but even Umar was okay with Bida’a
Don't forget Ibn Hajr al-Asqalani calling mawlid a Bid'ah Hasanah (Good innovation)
Empress of Hawiye
CUSHITIC
Celebrating birthdays is a Pagan ritual even Christians banned it until the 18th century.
CryptoSomali
DAAGAAL
False. Even the Prophet commemorated his birth.
Oh wow it even gets worse. Now you're actually promoting bid'ah as such.
Salafism, as far as I'm aware is an ideology not a movement. I don't think there's some central headquarters that is giving the orders. If there's a movement, I am not a part of the movement. I believe in the methodology.
If you say you're a Salafi and you don't follow the salaf you are not really following the ideology. I believe in the ideology. I am not awaiting instructions from any central headquarters that I'm aware. I don't belong to any movement unless believing in the idea that we should follow Islam as it was originally understood constitutes a movement.
As for the pro-bid'ah argument, it's already been debunked
And even Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah debunked it. But if MBS doesn't pray Fajr this morning- that means Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah was wrong in his ideas? Such is the Sufi logic. But the dīn isn't based on People magazine type stories. It's based on Quran and Sunnah. The Sufis consistently act like gossip columnists and write us some gossip columns and then try to get us to base the dīn on their gossip columns- because their evidence is lacking! If they could actually refute Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab, they would do so. They would actually refute his books. But they can't actually do it so they fill your ear with their People magazine gossip column stuff content. I am tired of this lack of seriousness.
My challenge is to Sufis is to really produce a refutation of Kitab At-Tawheed by Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab. And it's basically certain they won't because they can't. So instead, probably we'll just get endless stories. It's like a hamburger without any actual meat. All you get is the buns and the pickles. No actual meat.
Empress of Hawiye
CUSHITIC
ok then
CryptoSomali
DAAGAAL
Oh wow it even gets worse. Now you're actually promoting bid'ah as such.
Salafism, as far as I'm aware is an ideology not a movement. I don't think there's some central headquarters that is giving the orders. If there's a movement, I am not a part of the movement. I believe in the methodology.
If you say you're a Salafi and you don't follow the salaf you are not really following the ideology. I believe in the ideology. I am not awaiting instructions from any central headquarters that I'm aware. I don't belong to any movement unless believing in the idea that we should follow Islam as it was originally understood constitutes a movement.
As for the pro-bid'ah argument, it's already been debunked
And even Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah debunked it. But if MBS doesn't pray Fajr this morning- that means Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah was wrong in his ideas? Such is the Sufi logic. But the dīn isn't based on People magazine type stories. It's based on Quran and Sunnah. The Sufis consistently act like gossip columnists and write us some gossip columns and then try to get us to base the dīn on their gossip columns- because their evidence is lacking! If they could actually refute Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab, they would do so. They would actually refute his books. But they can't actually do it so they fill your ear with their People magazine gossip column stuff content. I am tired of this lack of seriousness.
My challenge is to Sufis is to really produce a refutation of Kitab At-Tawheed by Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab. And it's basically certain they won't because they can't. So instead, probably we'll just get endless stories. It's like a hamburger without any actual meat. All you get is the buns and the pickles. No actual meat.
It wasn’t debunked. Islamqa isn’t an authority and no one takes it seriously except you wahhabis, neither are the “scholars” they referenced. Umar explicitly stated that “what an excellect bida’ah” and tons of scholars which you selectively ignore agree in the concept of good innovations.
And there are central authorities in your pseudo-Salafi movement. You guys blindly follow anything that comes from Al-Albani, Uthaymeen, Bin Baz and Ibn Taymiyyah, none of those guys are sahaba or part of the Salaf LOL
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