Seems like MBS wants to become the new “Ataturk.” Girls twerking on men, half-naked singers, men dressing like woman and dancing on each other, Halloween festivals, scholars/preachers who show the slightest opposition to the reforms disappear or get thrown behind bars. Interesting times in the Middle East.
Saudi Arabia becoming liberal/Westernized
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This is just the start MBS has big plans for the country in the next 30 years. Can't rely on Oil forever...
This is why we Muslims are humiliated. Many are turning from the deen.
Isn't it interesting that societies that promote extreme segregation of the two genders, seem to have a lot of khaniisyo.
They should have acted normal in the first place and allowed women to be part of society instead of locking them up like they are private parts and not human beings. Now it's too late for them and with the advent of LGBT advocacy, it will be even more prevalent and in the open.
They should have acted normal in the first place and allowed women to be part of society instead of locking them up like they are private parts and not human beings. Now it's too late for them and with the advent of LGBT advocacy, it will be even more prevalent and in the open.
That woman twerking on men is the most natural and normal thing that happened at that festival.
If we keep it 100, did Khaleeji Arabs ever practice normal Islam at a Government level? I don't think it's normal for extreme segregation of the genders, I think they did more for LGBT existence than any Western country.
I spent some time in a Khaleeji country and I've seen more lesbians there than I have in my entire life in the West. You can tell it's not natural either and that they turn lesbian out of missing the presence and attention of men.
It is more complex than that. Societal tolerance towards male homosexuality in these societies predates gender segregation as prescribed by Islam. Arabs, Turks, Persians, Central Asians, South and South-East Asians etc. were historically tolerant towards sodomy. Only those assuming a female role in homosexual encounters are generally considered Khanis in these societies.
There is wisdom in the requirement that the sexes shouldn't mix freely when young and unmarried because it can lead to fitna. In urban settings, STDs and premarital sex leading to pregnancy rocket in underdeveloped countries where there are no restrictions on free mixing between the sexes and a lax attitude towards Zina due to a lack of religious or moral guidance. Somalis were historically not necessarily strictly segregated by gender in the Mii, but the sexes occupied separate spaces as dictated by their roles in society hence there was not much contact between unrelated individuals apart from ceremonies etc. We also lived in extended family social units. Moreover, FGM was an obstacle to casual sex encounters in the Mii due to the difficulty associated with deflowering a virgin girl.
Fast forward to the present where Somalis have become more urbanised and the sexes more freely in schools, public spaces etc., and it can be observed that our moral standards have dropped in regard to Zina with more teen pregnancies outside marriage etc., young girls/women being taken advantage of or 'prostituting' themselves to older men because of an addiction or for material or financial gain etc. Wouldn't be surprised if STDs become widespread too as it is being 'imported' from neighbouring countries. The social media promotion of degeneracy does not help either.
There is a reason why Lesbianism is seen as less harmless than Khanisin in Sharia. They only get lashed for committing Fahisha.What country is this abaayo?
No wonder one does not bat an eyelid in a club when two women are grinding on each other, heck one feels like egging them on instead of uttering 'Acudhubillahi'.
Please don't compare this to Ataturk. Ataturk was an irreligious Turkish nationalist who resented the political organization of the Ottoman Empire and the Caliph. He had a set of beliefs - Turkish nationalism ( although extreme).
This is just hedonism.
On another note, we need to stop acting like the whole of Saudi Arabia is some holy land with holy people. Go to any other Muslim country you'll find degeneracy like this in the fringes. We blindly followed these people in the 80s and 90s, it's time we cultivate and polish on Islamic scholarship in Somalia. We will follow these people down a dangerous road if we don't. As long as they keep this shit out of Mecca and Madina... go crazy, their government was too suffocating anyway. They should let the people go down this path and realize there is nothing fulfilling or honourable waiting at the end. Only disappointment and depravity.
This is just hedonism.
On another note, we need to stop acting like the whole of Saudi Arabia is some holy land with holy people. Go to any other Muslim country you'll find degeneracy like this in the fringes. We blindly followed these people in the 80s and 90s, it's time we cultivate and polish on Islamic scholarship in Somalia. We will follow these people down a dangerous road if we don't. As long as they keep this shit out of Mecca and Madina... go crazy, their government was too suffocating anyway. They should let the people go down this path and realize there is nothing fulfilling or honourable waiting at the end. Only disappointment and depravity.
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I am not sure why anyone thought they were conservative.
. Strip clubs, prostitutes, drinking until they blacked out, wilding out in hotels. All paid by the Saudi government. This was like 2011/12. I imagine the youth have become even more "liberal" now. The government is simply allowing them to be themselves now in public.
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Why was that video mostly comprised of gay men lmao
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