Socialism sucks!!

[GoldmanSachs]

What a lazy and undisciplined form of thinking. America is the closest to the anarcho-capitalist model according to what standard? Government spending? Economic freedom? Taxation ratios between the rich and poor?

In many ways, America represents the worst of both systems, with government-created monopolies and red tape resulting in people paying $2000 to treat a broken ankle. That’s no free market, that’s a toxic mix of crony capitalism. Hence why you have situations where Americans are forced to pay 100x the market price for a drug that’s been patented a century ago.

Only someone who’s stupid and can’t think things through would look at this situation and conclude it’s due to capitalism. We see costs go down all the time when it comes to other industries, we’ve witnessed cosmetic procedures such as LASIK Eye Surgery drop by over 80% over the last couple decades, because it’s a cosmetic practice and is thus unregulated. The same can be done for other practices if the government would just allow the free market to do its job. And you ignored my point about education spending tripling since the 1970s, yet school outcomes haven’t changed. It’s like there’s something wrong with you. Your brain has been so conditioned to believe that government-run schools are the only solution, as if private schools don’t exist.

And stop with your BS about me packing my bags and moving to America. With the way things are going now, it won’t be long before the Americans decide to create those same policies in the United States. Rather than cut the red tape and regulations to make healthcare cheap and competitive, the Americans might go all-in on government healthcare, college, and all sorts of different programs.

Canada, Europe, and all these other places are projected to go bankrupt in the near future. This is a fact. America’s projected to go bankrupt as well, and the Federal Government over there spends over a trillion and a half dollars annually on healthcare. But if you weren’t stupid, you’d know that fact, instead of assuming that America is some free market bonanza where businesses run the show. Medicare/Medicaid alone is projected to bankrupt America, yet you think it’s a good idea to expand those programs to cover the whole freaking population. Imagine providing healthcare to 330 million people across a diverse nation. How the f*ck is that not a recipe for disaster? That’s almost $4 trillion a year, which is amount of money the US government spends on everything.

It’s funny how you try to be condescending to me and think it’s feasible to “make healthcare free” in America....and then you claim I’m the one who doesn’t understand economics. Seriously you look like a damn clown here.

And it’s cute how you mention crooked Executives, as if these crooked individuals don’t exist right now in your beloved system, doing their crimes right under the noses of the Government officials who were supposed to regulate them. Seriously do you realize how naive you sound? You think we can’t think of some alternative program including a private ratings agency, which could do far better than some Government Department that’s always one step behind the criminals they’re supposed to catch?

This dude keeps talking of economics but he has no understanding of it. Take your Keynesian bullshit and throw it out the window. And stop referencing the Chicago School, which although flawed is still miles ahead of your BS Keynesian/MMT style economics.

And this is why you don't spend your Saturday night debating Lolbertarians. They don't actually debate and bolster their positions with facts, papers and links. They instead setup these strawmen, then proceed to attack them and call it a victory.

I don't have the time or interest in educating you but I have one recommendation. Stop watching Youtube videos and pickup a serious book on Macroeconomics. The problem is that it might have a little bit of Calculus which is something the Chicago School of xaar is deathly afraid of. The fact you actually think you have any expertise in this field spewing naive Econ100 models and definitions speaks volumes.

 

[Kaafiye]

And this is why you don't spend your Saturday night debating Lolbertarians. They don't actually debate and bolster their positions with facts, papers and links. They instead setup these strawmen, then proceed to attack them and call it a victory.

I don't have the time or interest in educating you but I have one recommendation. Stop watching Youtube videos and pickup a serious book on Macroeconomics. The problem is that it might have a little bit of Calculus which is something the Chicago School of xaar is deathly afraid of. The fact you actually think you have any expertise in this field spewing naive Econ100 models and definitions speaks volumes.

The fact that you go on rants complaining about the US healthcare system and claim it’s a symptom of capitalism....and then go on further rants trashing the Chicago School (of which I’m not a part) shows that you come to make bad-faith arguments.

Have fun with your TheYoungTurks arguments saaxib, you’re spent. Not one original thought in your essay but go on with your delusions

 

[Kurolady08]

I am not American. This is first time I heard about her. I shared this thread because I agree with ron Paul

Who

Ron Paul is a great man. It takes a lot of understanding of history and economics to see where he’s coming from. He tends to ramble and he isn’t eloquent, but his foundation is solid and he’s never been a hypocrite.

My boyfriend actually met Ron Paul and shook his hand at a Liberty event. He’s a great man with strong values and he’s anti war. @Kaafiye Austin Peterson is very good too and the libertarian party were idiots for picking Gary Johnson goofy ass. All because he’s pro-life and isn’t an atheist.

 

[Prince Abubu]

Imagine watching a Ron Paul video and not laughing uncontrollably at his nonsense. Libertarianism, or as I like to call it, Propertarianism is a hodgepodge nonsensical ideology that leads to corporations taking the place of government. Imagine being so dense as to think that working as a wage slave for corporations is freedom and liberty. At least the government is theoretically accountable to the people, who are McDonald's and Google accountable to?

Even the most renowned libertarian intellectual, Ayn Rand, died while receiving government welfare and housing. If you're not a billionaire like the Kochs and you claim to be a libertarian/AnCap, you're a fucking retard, who has no understanding of economics and should be kept away from sharp objects.

Without socialism, there would be no 8 hour work day, paid leave, maternity, weekends free, sick pay and compensation, higher wages, child labour would still be around etc.

 

[Kaafiye]

Imagine watching a Ron Paul video and not laughing uncontrollably at his nonsense. Libertarianism, or as I like to call it, Propertarianism is a hodgepodge nonsensical ideology that leads to corporations taking the place of government. Imagine being so dense as to think that working as a wage slave for corporations is freedom and liberty. At least the government is theoretically accountable to the people, who are McDonald's and Google accountable to?

Even the most renowned libertarian intellectual, Ayn Rand, died while receiving government welfare and housing. If you're not a billionaire like the Kochs and you claim to be a libertarian/AnCap, you're a fucking retard, who has no understanding of economics and should be kept away from sharp objects.

Without socialism, there would be no 8 hour work day, paid leave, maternity, weekends free, sick pay and compensation, higher wages, child labour would still be around etc.

Who are they accountable too? Their customers of course. You think corporations just have some enduring power that protects them from future bankruptcy? A huge chunk of the Fortune 500 companies in the 1980s don’t even exist today, or they’re a small shadow of their former self.

If your solutions are so brilliant, then maybe we should implement this Socialist stuff in Bangladesh. Give them weekends off with an 8 hour work day, maternity leave and other benefits. You’d have to be a fucking idiot to think that we received these benefits just because someone legislated it.

You can’t legislate prosperity. The reason why Americans could afford to take weekends off is because of the massive increase in productivity due to private markets. Each worker became more efficient and thus could produce more, so his children didn’t have to work. Child labour didn’t just go away because some fucking politician wrote a law. People write laws all the time, it doesn’t mean the problem is solved. You can pass laws forcing Bangladesh to outlaw child labour, but you’ll still have some kids doing illegal shit to make money...because they’re fucking broke and they do what they have too in order to survive. Even if America repealed the laws on child labour, it’s not like some American kid on the brink of hunger is gonna be working in a coal mine. You’d have to be stupid and naive to have such a worldview. Private capital accumulation (ie. more machines) is what made us more efficient, and that’s all capitalism. Not socialism. The Socialists only come in once the country is rich and then they institute all these welfare schemes. But those welfare schemes would’ve have been possible if those countries weren’t already rich.

But yeah, keep being stupid enough to think that there’s some factory owner in America who’s willing to take the heat for hiring unproductive 7 year olds to work in his assembly line.

And then you have the nerve to lecture me on MY intelligence

 

[Kurolady08]

Imagine watching a Ron Paul video and not laughing uncontrollably at his nonsense. Libertarianism, or as I like to call it, Propertarianism is a hodgepodge nonsensical ideology that leads to corporations taking the place of government. Imagine being so dense as to think that working as a wage slave for corporations is freedom and liberty. At least the government is theoretically accountable to the people, who are McDonald's and Google accountable to?

Even the most renowned libertarian intellectual, Ayn Rand, died while receiving government welfare and housing. If you're not a billionaire like the Kochs and you claim to be a libertarian/AnCap, you're a fucking retard, who has no understanding of economics and should be kept away from sharp objects.

Without socialism, there would be no 8 hour work day, paid leave, maternity, weekends free, sick pay and compensation, higher wages, child labour would still be around etc.

Wrong.Unions are businesses within themselves and cost more money than it’s worth. For example: My ex’s job has an union. His boss is a poor caadan that worked his way to the top and wanted to the union to make sure his employees are treated fairly. Well, long story short, due to the high cost for union benefits, he can’t afford to pay above minimum wage. After taxes and union dues, you’re taking home less than 500 dollars every two weeks. He was laid off for 3 months because the company couldn’t afford all the employees and benefits. The boss wasn’t even making any money for 6 months. Medicare actually affects the wages of the hospital staff. My friends that are CNAs say that in the city, most hospitals pay max 3 dollars above minimum wage. The only way CNAs can make decent money is in the suburbs or Indiana

 

[Prince Abubu]

Wrong.Unions are businesses within themselves and cost more money than it’s worth. For example: My ex’s job has an union. His boss is a poor caadan that worked his way to the top and wanted to the union to make sure his employees are treated fairly. Well, long story short, due to the high cost for union benefits, he can’t afford to pay above minimum wage. After taxes and union dues, you’re taking home less than 500 dollars every two weeks. He was laid off for 3 months because the company couldn’t afford all the employees and benefits. The boss wasn’t even making any money for 6 months. Medicare actually affects the wages of the hospital staff. My friends that are CNAs say that in the city, most hospitals pay max 3 dollars above minimum wage. The only way CNAs can make decent money is in the suburbs or Indiana

Unions are the reason you aren't toiling for a dime a week everyday of your life until you die from exhaustion and lack medical care. You are a thoroughly confused and misguided individual. Please read Capital by Karl Marx.

 

[Prince Abubu]

Who are they accountable too? Their customers of course. You think corporations just have some enduring power that protects them from future bankruptcy? A huge chunk of the Fortune 500 companies in the 1980s don’t even exist today, or they’re a small shadow of their former self.

If your solutions are so brilliant, then maybe we should implement this Socialist stuff in Bangladesh. Give them weekends off with an 8 hour work day, maternity leave and other benefits. You’d have to be a fucking idiot to think that we received these benefits just because someone legislated it.

You can’t legislate prosperity. The reason why Americans could afford to take weekends off is because of the massive increase in productivity due to private markets. Each worker became more efficient and thus could produce more, so his children didn’t have to work. Child labour didn’t just go away because some fucking politician wrote a law. People write laws all the time, it doesn’t mean the problem is solved. You can pass laws forcing Bangladesh to outlaw child labour, but you’ll still have some kids doing illegal shit to make money...because they’re fucking broke and they do what they have too in order to survive. Even if America repealed the laws on child labour, it’s not like some American kid on the brink of hunger is gonna be working in a coal mine. You’d have to be stupid and naive to have such a worldview. Private capital accumulation (ie. more machines) is what made us more efficient, and that’s all capitalism. Not socialism. The Socialists only come in once the country is rich and then they institute all these welfare schemes. But those welfare schemes would’ve have been possible if those countries weren’t already rich.

But yeah, keep being stupid enough to think that there’s some factory owner in America who’s willing to take the heat for hiring unproductive 7 year olds to work in his assembly line.

And then you have the nerve to lecture me on MY intelligence

Are you an imbecile? Where did I mention legislation and law? I said socialism, (the idea that workers should real the reward of their labour and control the means of production) and worker solidarity achieved through strikes, mass protests, blood and sacrifice made by workers is want won the 8hr work day and ended child labour in the West. What has Bangladesh got to with it? Bangladesh is a third world sweat shop for Western corporations, with very little in the way of labour laws and worker's rights, as evidenced by the high death toll from working conditions you have over there. You a just shitting out right-wing talking on points, that have been debunked and you think your saying something profound.

 

[Prince Abubu]

Stop watch YouTube videos by Ben Shapino and Stefan Molynude and actually open a fucking book.

 

[Kurolady08]

@Prince Abubu You know why Chicago city and state workers are lazy and corrupt? Because their unions protect them. Also everyone gets the same pay, raises and benefits no matter what, what’s the incentive to work harder? This is a major problem in public schools. Socialism can’t survive without capitalism. You have socialism in an anarchic society. If a group of individuals formed an agreement and form their own little community, they could practice socialism there. Sector 8, child support and welfare benefits has incentivized single motherhood. I know a lot of women here in Chicago that have a baby for money. Lots. A majority of African Americans see children out of wedlock as normal, but this wasn’t always the case. Up until the 1960s , more than 80 percent of AAs were raised in two parent households. It stated when Lyndon B. Johnson got into office. My grandma said that welfare was a trap for blacks to become splice and subservient to the whims of the government. That’s why they force state jobs on blacks to break their will .Welfare to me is like making a deal with the devil.

 

[Kurolady08]

Unions are the reason you aren't toiling for a dime a week everyday of your life until you die from exhaustion and lack medical care. You are a thoroughly confused and misguided individual. Please read Capital by Karl Marx.

Karl Marx is a lazy bum. He looks like a cross between a old koala and Micheal Moore. Never liked the man. His victim complex is annoying . I do not hate people who are more successful than me . I can’t stand socialism.I hate being told what to like that . I hate taxes. I just want to be left alone really. I’ve seen the effects of socialism on my family and myself. I like capitalism because it’s competitive nature suits me and I love to prove myself. It’s feels like with socialism, it’s pity and saying I’m too stupid to think or survive on my own. The feeling of earning a raise or having your market value rise due hard work is rush I live for. Also, what about charities. Shit, all these ratchet s are getting their insurance through GoFundMe. Most of the negroes in the hood’s funerals are paid it. I’m a nomadic anarchist at heart

 

[Mufasah]

Actual socialism does indeed suck, but no American candidate is running on an actual socialist platform.

If the Republican right just as much managed to get their way of an unfettered and unregulated free market society, America would as soon implode. Contrary to free market idealists, some industries will self-destruct and cause irreparable damage without oversight.

 

[Prince Abubu]

Karl Marx is a lazy bum. He looks like a cross between a old koala and Micheal Moore. Never liked the man. His victim complex is annoying . I do not hate people who are more successful than me . I can’t stand socialism.I hate being told what to like that . I hate taxes. I just want to be left alone really. I’ve seen the effects of socialism on my family and myself. I like capitalism because it’s competitive nature suits me and I love to prove myself. It’s feels like with socialism, it’s pity and saying I’m too stupid to think or survive on my own. The feeling of earning a raise or having your market value rise due hard work is rush I live for. Also, what about charities. Shit, all these ratchet s are getting their insurance through GoFundMe. Most of the negroes in the hood’s funerals are paid it. I’m a nomadic anarchist at heart

So you have nothing intelligent to say other than poke fat at the way Marx looks. Glad to see you're as vapid as the ideology you profess to believe in.

P.s. Anarcho-Capitalism/Libertarianism isn't anarchist. Please stop spouting rubbish.

 

[The alchemist]

 

[Kurolady08]

I hate him. You got me there.

 

[Prince Abubu]

Which side are you on?

 

[Kurolady08]

So you have nothing intelligent to say other than poke fat at the way Marx looks. Glad to see you're as vapid as the ideology you profess to believe in.

P.s. Anarcho-Capitalism/Libertarianism isn't anarchist. Please stop spouting rubbish.

How you heard of classical liberalism? https://danielmiessler.com/blog/the-difference-between-classical-liberalism-and-libertarianism/ @Prince Abubu Yeah, I know it’s petty but I have a deep hatred for white socialists/communists. The fact they think I NEED them pisses me off. For some reason, pity from white people really annoys me. For me, socialism is slavery . I have really bad experiences with the welfare state. What is the drive for me to work harder just to get taxed more ? My mum is disabled with a nerve condition and works from home as a social worker. My cousin was out of a real job for 8 months, but paid his cell phone bill, car insurance, gas, food and Christmas presents for his two kids by working as a freelance landscaper and doing odd jobs. Now he’s a part specialist at auto zone and started at 18 dollars a hour. My sister was indoctrinated in the black liberal and socialist agenda and now she’s a violent psychopath that lives off disability. I hate now socialism broke the will and drive from some of my family. Even myself was liberal and it hurt mental outlook, my physical appearance and my standards. I believe the community is as only as strong as the individual. I get where you’re coming from and I feel it’s from a good place and not because you hate rich people. I’ve lived in a left wing city all my life and it’s going worse. Also honestly welfare fraud is a problem in the Somali community. My dad did it and he was very good at suing people. I did it for a time as well when I was going through my artist liberal stage. My outlook on life at time was very negative . Worrying about the unfairness of life and pondering if I’m being opposed isn’t good for your mind. I do like Karl Marx over Castro or Stalin. Barre should’ve of lynched their asses. I would prefer Trotsky over Stalin any day. Che Guevara is a pompous hipster with a savior complex and was low key racist. Che would be those white liberals Malcolm X warned us about

 

[Kaafiye]

Are you an imbecile? Where did I mention legislation and law? I said socialism, (the idea that workers should real the reward of their labour and control the means of production) and worker solidarity achieved through strikes, mass protests, blood and sacrifice made by workers is want won the 8hr work day and ended child labour in the West. What has Bangladesh got to with it? Bangladesh is a third world sweat shop for Western corporations, with very little in the way of labour laws and worker's rights, as evidenced by the high death toll from working conditions you have over there. You a just shitting out right-wing talking on points, that have been debunked and you think your saying something profound.

It doesn’t matter. Your false idea that “Unions” are responsible for our standard of living is nothing but falsehood. If that were the case, we could kickstart the development of Bangladesh into a First World Nation if we just made better labour laws.

Do you see how ridiculous that sounds? Try and stick to the principle of the argument before you confuse yourself even further.

Child labour was already on its way out before the Government legislated it as illegal. There are some First World Nation’s that don’t have any child labour laws on the books, yet it’s non-existent.

Here is the genius who actually thinks we can create laws to make problems go away. Please for once read a book. Read about capital formation and how it led to the explosion of industry in the West. Maybe then would you get a proper framework in understanding economics.

P.S. Your bullshit points about workers not receiving the full share of their wages is just that—a Marxian myth. Even the most ardent Marxists hate the idea of interventionism, where the State spends a lot of money regulating the market and creating welfare programs...as they see it as a piecemeal replacement to workers actually controlling the means of production. You go back and forth between the two positions without realizing it because you’re NOT well-read, and it shows

 

[Kurolady08]

Which side are you on?

The side that isn’t going to lead me into having to work two jobs because Pookie and Honey Boo Boo can’t get their shit together. I don’t see how pointing out of a problem in one’s community is a problem. I’ve heard several posts about this issue and the fact despite all government aid Somalis receive, massive poverty and crime is still an issue. Why ignore the fact that it’s not working to what, not hurt feelings or seem racist? You want me to you that Somalis’ is in the 100,000 and everything is fine. No, it’s not. I’m not just saying this. 2rd generations of effects of the welfare state. My father was a broken man because he embraced to ideology. It’s a drug. Over time, you become addicted and can’t imagine how you would live without the state.

 

[Kaafiye]

According to these leftist imbeciles, the progress of the American worker was because the politicians told companies to “be nice” to their workers.

Let’s follow that same recipe in Africa!

The fact that this moron thinks his arguments are legitimate is what’s most shocking to me. But hey, it is what it is