Somali Economic Policy. Scientific

[DR OSMAN]

We need to base our economic model on science not emotions or tribe or shaksi jecel. Money grows or dies, there is science behind it, there is no time for your emotions and tribal shit. If it makes no economic sense scientifically, it should be rejected automatically.

For example resource sharing, is it wise to share it equally? the areas you looking at in Somalia are three key zones. Coastal, Nomadic, Farming. They are 3 different wealth groups. Their GDP final product is vastly different. Why are we sharing our resources evenly when they are clearly different GDP product areas? See that's why the way the somali resources was shared is totally unscientific and communism based. The same communism that destroyed us and led to tribalism.

The coastal areas should only recieve a portion relative to their GDP product, so their towns doesn't look too much rich or worse off based on their coastal economy. Nomadic areas you need to inject something relative to their final product which is CAMEL and Goats. This ensures their cities doesn't look poorer then their nomadic rural areas. Farming areas should be assesed on the product they produce and what it's final worth is. This will be the portion they recieve in order their cities reflect a reasonable growth rate in comparison to their rural areas. We can't have 4.5 or communism in Somalia. Somalis are not equal waa inay maskadina ka gasha from now on. This idea of equality doesn't work, it leads to racism, tribalism, and so many ills when people get something they don't deserve. It leads to disastrous policy ideas to form that can set the nation backwards for 40 years like happened to Somalia.

We still can't arise from communist idealogy and the impact it caused us. One bad policy led to all this mess we have now and tribalism.

 

[DR OSMAN]

The difference in their final product(nomadic, coastal, farming) will be the difference in the resource sharing so not to much is injected into their areas to cause a huge deviation between their cities and rural areas. Eventually what will happen is their rural areas will be abadoned and they won't be find anyone to do those jobs which will lead to a need in immigration and immigration as u can see can cause a big problem in societies. We don't want to go from zero to hero like saudi arabia, it needs to planned out and carefully controlled or else we will just get a dumb population in the end and the lower class being powerful overnight like south africa happened because it wasn't carefully controlled how power switched between white and black over there.

We have to work out Somalia GDP contribution based on farmers/nomads/coastal. Coastal areas are dead now in Somalia due to lack of government, the urban population is unproductive and not contributing much to our GDP. We must measure the contribution of agriculture to our GDP by taking samples of families and how much they yield in a given year. They say Somalia economic GDP is 60% livestock while 40% farming, I haven't seen proof of this and samples though and how they reached this conclusion. With any sample you need a family sample then multiply by population.

But it's obvious the nomads are the backbone of Somalia economy, which is naturally to be expected. Infact agriculture GDP must of tanked after the civil war as they can no longer purchase machinery or have ancient hand techniques which means less yield.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Or we can do it the other way. Assess the final product list it one by one. Like bannana, mangos, tomatos, onions. If we list all the produces one by one. We can put a final price mark on each one. What's a mango worth, tomato, onion, etc. Then we can list how much tomatos, onions, mangos, banana each household has a day multiply by year. This can tell us how much yield is required from farmers and finally GDP estimate.If they have foreign customers we can do the same with that nation, use a sample of how much they consume each family of the produces Somalia sends and multiply by population again.

We can figure out a an overall GDP estimate on farmers. Right now they are completely dead lol. But we need another measurement for 'assets' farmers have no assets beyond small plots per family that is worth far less then a house in a city. We can do more estimations to work out the difference. That's why eelays walk in with dacas into magaalo, it's not the tribe as somalis assume, it's they lack assets of value.

 

[DR OSMAN]

But I don't like the GDP rates for Farming. The final produce is 1 dollar lol at most. How many each household will consume of that product in a day? I don't think their eating more then one banana per person per day, one tomato, one onion, etc. Infact they keep onions, tomatos for days in the west in the fridge. Wallahi the consumption rate is not promising for farmers. Lets say estimate wise each product is 1 dollar.

So if you farm 5 different products of 1 dollar each and the population is 10 million. Even if you controlled the whole market yourself, your looking at very low rate of return. Let's say each family consumes 5 dollars worth of agriculture a day which is impossible but lets be generous.

That's 5 dollars x 10 million that's 600 million dollars revenue for the nation each year. So your whole time/effort went to $600 million dollar product a whole year, plus u have no assets of value becuz farm land is cheap, wat a terrible industry wallahi.

 

[DR OSMAN]

So GDP wise 600 million / 10 million population is all the white man will say about your GDP per capita per person. They really don't care for your emotions, qabyalad, and nonsense. They look at the final figure and just divide based on your population. U will be listed as UNDEVELOPED NATION like all farmers are who rely on such a petty industry.

Where-as the Camel it's 1k x 100 per family of 8 people. That's 100K per 10 people, that is an average of 10k per person. PL GDP is way higher then the SOUTH. PL has a way higher GDP then South and anyone who says otherwise waa iska hadlayo not measurement based at all. That's why a Puntlander can buy the equivalent of 750 football fields of farming land in the south while a southerner walks into Puntland with a 'dacas' and 'begging'

I am not including the city, as they don't work. wax maba soo saaran iyagu kkkkkkk waxay ku nool yihin boqol dollar dibada looga keeno. Marka wax soo saarkooda waa 100 dollar familyka. f*ck that shit. That's why I keep saying if the cities don't reach double the amount of the nomads, they will not find any incentive to change trades.

Mind you 10k per person is marki iyaga oo dhibataysan oo haysan dams, clean water, etc or ideas to increase their camels. That's like their worst day calculations. Their job should be to increase their GDP not wait for the rains. Make it 200 camels per family and that becomes 20k per person for that year calculation. The growth rate in GDP is how much difference u add to what you have already. GDP growth has been bad in miyiga but they still 10k per person, lakin ma dhaafin weeye economist waxay ka hadlayan. What will happen is the city gets higher and higher and the rural areas if they dont catch up will cause an inbalance. So the MIYI are fine now, but they need to speed along and ensure the cities never leave them for dead.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I wish I had an accurate sample rate of nomadic family camels/goats/sheep and comparisons to when is it a good year and bad year for them. I know it's based on the rains. But we got something to work with here, I would focus my time on the rural areas in PL, they have something to work off to increase and show a GDP growth rate from year to year. U got nothing to work off in the cities except $100 per family, that's $10 dollar per month per person. That's less then a dollar a day.

Mining is a good industry and PL should focus on that industry in PL. We need to assess mining industry and the minerals we have and what each final product is worth. I think they work the product by the KILO. Oil is a good final product to have, it's worth 50 dollars by the Barrel. Technology creation like silicon valley create great final products.

I hope we target these industries for PL in the future.

1. Oil
2. Technology industry
3. Mining(depends) on what the product is and it's demand in the world
4. Medication not factories but the 'research' side
5. Tourism. This is big injection of capital by a rich person into your service industry sida suuqina
ayaa helayo customer tiro badan.
6. Education facilities for high end products for the continent. We should serve Africa like Dubai
for their education needs

Keep our old industries alive especially these ones. As the cities get richer, the rural areas will more customers.

1. Livestock. U can't get rid of this as it's crucial and valuable
2. Frankincense but this needs new techniques in order to speed up the extraction process.
3. Fishery sector.

Infrastructure sector that will be needed to support our future industries and to excel our former industries we will need the following.

1. Electricity we need this and shouldn't be gouged as profit industry
2. Water
3. Roads
4. Airports
5. Sea ports

Mind you infrastructure isn't considered a 'final product' they include it in your over-all yearly assessment but these things are needed to keep the economy moving.

 

[DR OSMAN]

When I say we need an education sector I mean higher learning one that deals with 'research' on problems on the continent especially around health concerns. There is african diseases unique to their area, we should be the research field hosting people to come here and study so we can find answers for our health woes. Education is big money final product. One year some people pay 10k per person.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Bring in Technology factories to PL so we can provide Africa with it. The final product of a phone or laptop or PC is far higher then these industries we are seeking like foodstuff and drinks. I want a high final product. I can then multiply the final product against our population so we can raise up production levels. If we did 1 million Laptops they are 500 dollars each. That's $500 x 1 million

That's just added 500 million dollars to our GDP. 1 million production of laptops. Imagine we did phones, PC and so forth and had programmers who focused on building software for Africa. I love Rwanda leader wallahi ninkasi waa niin aan ka yaabay caqlikisa how he wants to turn Rwanda into a technology and scientific hub, because they have high final product costs, he is directing his people to industries that produce high end products. His now creating education sector to support this new industry. His already called microsoft ka waran

 

[DR OSMAN]

Paul Kagame is the brightest leader in Africa and he follows 'scientific model' also for his policies. While his people are working on high final end products, your people are working on low end products like drinks and food products loooooool. I hope we have a good economist in PL, we need to set up the population to be ready for 'high end industries' thru good education system. PL has the best education system but that's only till high school.

Our universities need a huge boost and a strong curriculum standard as they will provide the labor for these high end industries to invest. We can't survive on trade and just taking a tax for 'ethiopia' who is farming nation, we will be linked to them and wait till they develop which will take centuries. Look at their base population, it will take a long time to transform those farmers. We must not focus on Ethiopia anymore outside of livestock industries. Forget the farmer side. Lets build ties with Rwanda.

 

[DR OSMAN]

A small investment into universities would change Puntland if we brought over skilled professors in the industries we seek to prepare our population for. Small investment but the rewards would be big as they can be hired by the top dollar making industries we want in PL. To increase our GDP we can't do it without bringing production sectors that focus on expensive products. The world economist will look at our people and measure what they spend their time on. If you spend your time on 'taraks, nacnac, iyo biyo lol' wallahi they will laugh at you and measure your final product so low looooooooool because how much is nacnac worth or taraks and biyo. Siyad was a failed economist he should never of created these industries but his education policy was beautiful.

 

[DR OSMAN]

For example an air conditioning factory for Bosaso is wise. Why? they need it one and two it's high end product. They cost at least $500 a unit. Imagine u produce all of them for Somalia? You just took 500 dollar product and multiplied against Somalia population. This is what we need to do in PL not follow around this suuq madow of daruri stuff looooool

We can start with two industries needed in Somalia that is high end value product. Air conditioner and boats. We can sell these two items and increase our GDP immensely, while the low stock people focus on DARURI SHIT ileen daruri waa soweto. Just the boat making warehouse in Bosaso would outstrip any factory final product in Somaliland. It's the items both ppl are working on that is different in price.

I am sorry we cant have this @Teeri-Alpha in charge of JL which is Kismayo a majerten city. He has to stop and leave it for Majerten to rule. He was promoting they focus on DARURI IN JUBBALAND waxan wa nin dhintay weeye oo bartay suuq madow

 

[DR OSMAN]

I wish we had laptop, phone, PC, boat, air conditioner, tv factories in PL. Wow we took all the big ticket items and become super rich GDP. While our nomads are super rich with Geel a big final product. City and Rural both rich now. Woohoooooooooooooo. Add some oil industry in between and more high end final products. WOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FINALLY A RICH COUNTRY. then include a research center for african diseases with the best and brightest invited from africa to attend. Wooohooooo we stealing 20k a year per student, creating housing boom as they need somewhere to sleep, and then selling the patents they invent and keep a portion for ourself. WOHOOOOOO THATS THE PUNTLAND I ENVISION. NOT THE DARURI SHIT THAT I SEE NOW IN SOMALIA WHICH IS SUUQ MADOW IT'S LIKE SOWETO IN SOUTH AFRICA.

Keep our textile factory and daruri shit towards mogadishu and hargeisa and SNAP up the big ticket item factories for PL. That is what I will add to the PL investment forum that will be held this year. This must be a conference oo wax ka soo baxa iyo qorshaha lagu hiigsan laha not just some damn expo

 

[DR OSMAN]

I would advice PL in the immediate time at least under DENI. Let's target the following industries for PL. Furniture plant which I think they do in Bosaso, I am not sure. But that is a high end product and sells for good money. We need to create networks in Somalia and provide this in order to increase our GDP. Second one Air conditioning plant is really needed.

Items like Dinner Tables and Coffee tables which I would compare to an 'adhi' price, they need to work in that. See once you know what your highest final product is(the camel) you can work on ensuring the industries you target is higher then your rural market who has 'adhi and geel' and will laugh at you if your cities are doing worthless things. That's why Somalia economy needs to be based on farmers/nomadic/coastal not SOMALINIMO iyo political philosophy. Waanu aragnay meeshay na dhigtay political philosophy wixi dhabta ah ee economics ayaa lagu saleeya economic policies not your 4.5 or communism.

Any industry oo alaabtisa ka qiimo yar adhiga ma yeeli karno inay Puntland xarun ku yeelato ama reer miyiga ayaa idin ku qosli doono and say we produce far more productive items per family in comparison to your city family producing less then us.

A Boat factory also which is already operating but find out how we can create new markets for them so we send it towards Berbera and Kismayo and Mogadishu. Wixi daruriga ah lets give it to the south or hargeisa ama dibada ha laga keeno yaanu waqti ku lumin waxasi our reer miyi will laff at us.

Hanoola keeno warshadaha hubka ee ethiopia, taas waa mid wayn final product leh oo kor noo qaadi karo. Markad calamka tagtan iska cilowa daruri ama wax adhi ka yar ama rural peoplekina ayaa idin ku qoslayo magaalada jogga. I cant wait to see PL investment forum marki la gabto we focus on rural ppl, but doing nothing for our city people. A good country has a good balance between rural gdp and city gdp. our rural gdp is fine and can be injected investment but our city GDP is dead.

 

[DR OSMAN]

When u have high end product facilities in your nation and your workforce is working there, their salaries increases in comparison to low end products because they can't make the same level of profit on low end items(essentials). Once ur worker salaries increase, the service industry will respond by importing more goods to support the locals. This will create spending to increase, taxes to reach the government to increase, and the overall nation production is far better then someone in GUINEA LOL

Wallahi if we don't let reer puntland rule Somalia none of you will benefit from bad policy guys who give u shit ideas like sir lance lord and teeri alpha and those goons. You see what your clans produce? you harm your over all clan with your stupid policies and in turn the whole nation. Let MJ rule please.

Arimaha daruriga PL haka tanasulan mana rabno in umadeena waqtikisa meeshasi gasho ama reer miyigeena ayaa nagu qosli doono. That's why u need to build an economy based on your rural population wealth per family and ensure the cities have 5 times as more wealth. Like new york has 5 times more wealth per family to some farmer community in missisipi. That's natural.

 

[SilentE1001]

Core Industries need to be invested in for success:

• Energy
• Agriculture
• Infrastructure

Without these the economy can't develop naturally

 

[DR OSMAN]

Core Industries need to be invested in for success:

• Energy
• Agriculture
• Infrastructure

Without these the economy can't develop naturally

I just said we need infrastructure and energy as they are deemed essential to keep the economy moving but their not GDP drivers, what don't you get? when u build a road, port, airport, it doesn't have growth cycles year by year. It's not a GDP indicator at all. They are 'assets' and assets are valuable yes but some assets do not grow, what don't you get? war niyahow why u always just like to argue all the time? your the clown who was boasting about a daruri economy, I am telling you please focus on that but do not spread your economic policy to us.

We prefer to focus on boats, furniture, air conditioner, laptops, pcs, tvs, etc. We want our people in high end final products and servicing Somalia. We don't have the same economic policy at all. Even in Business I want my people store to contain high end final products nothing else if they want to focus on business at least focus on selling high end products. But if we want to focus on production we need to focus on high end products. I am not saying this because I feel PL is better, it's to keep the rural and city ratio in balance. U can't have a country where it's rural people are richer then it's city folks, it's unacceptable.

I will give u the daruri stuff like we give to rahanwayn ok who does the trading of such stuff in PL, while you do the production side, same side of a DEAD coin. PL ma samayn doonto daruri sxb ama jeclow ama ha jeclan. It is not apart of our economic policy. Why u think GAAS was 'eyeing' the ethiopian military factory? we want stuff like that, we don't go to their silly little shops in addis or their silly little farms ok cause our people are not interestd in that work ma garatay? This will mean if we create industries that our people ka faanayan, it will lead to a swamp of SNM like u focusing on factories for it and rahanwayn doing the trading while our people remain jobless because they simply won't do those JOBS. It's better they rear camels or go fishing. Heck even a fish final product is probably higher, I know lobsters are.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Siyad barre of creating foodstuff factories and low items was because the rural population in the south is farmers, it's natural to go from mangos and bananas to 'taraks' he wanted to create an equal somalia in the end, hence why he neglected the north which was rich in livestock. He wanted to lift up the south so it becomes as rich as the north and hence he achieved this commy little wackjob project. We cannot implement siyad communist economics in PL, the rural population is 10k per person in livestock as a bare minimum.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I have never seen a country where it's rural people are richer then it's city folks. This is a complete new one and should be noted in the world books. It's usually if the city people are poor, the rural people are poorer. If new york today died, the rural economy couldn't keep america afloat. But imagine if the rural economy controlled america cities? yaab sooma ahaa? I am still baffled by this.

If we don't do something about our cities we are in big trouble GDP wise. We need numbers of course, you can't plan an economy if you don't have numbers and samples to work off. You can't plan industries with the right products without the numbers in your nation. No economic can even be discussed without figures to begin with, how will u measure the difference if you don't have a base figure to start from.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I honestly do not understand what benefit the business community in Somalia get from 'suuq madow' and dealing in 'daruri' and the only ones who benefit is 'Hawala and Electricity and Water' providers as they get a monopoly on the town, but no other industry benefits because it's a DARURI economy. They can only afford daruri. It's better for them that the towns people are employed in high end jobs so their pockets are full of cash, this will create the service sector which IS THEM to boom with money. Even the electricity/water providers can start charging more.

It make sense they support a government that puts money in these pockets but it's not happening. They prefer this 'suuq madow' existence and it baffles me. We can't grow our nation like this living on a market based on essentials, our govt tax won't grow, our people income won't grow, only rural economy keeps benefiting as they have a solid valuable asset. Basically only darood is growing economically since they are MOSTLY RURAL. Hawiye and Isaaq are hurting themselves wallahi.

 

[DR OSMAN]

PL sits on 40% of the ocean and 30% of the land. U do realize any natural minerals, oil, etc will be larger finds in such large swath of land mass? it will be pointless to dig galmudug like djibouti as the production of such small land will not cover the cost to extract, that's why DJIBOUTI is stuck on just living on taxing people in Ethiopia. Their development is linked to Ethiopia at all times, if Ethiopia rises, they rise, if Ethiopia doesn't rise, they don't. Ethiopia being largely rural society, it will take centuries like europe did to turn these farmers into 1st world. Keep on developing though. It will take us 30 years like the omanis who were like this in 70s. Their rural population had valuable commodity like camels, goats, etc and therefore their oil complemented this and created even more valuable cities, that's why their no longer nomads. If that sort of scenario doesn't happen in Puntland, I can't see any reason why we stay off livestock game.