Somali girl REFUSES to give HEAD after smoking his weed; Somali guy goes APE SHIT

[Dhabaal]

Somalis don't rate rape as a crime. Fact.

I already knew this from happenings where this Somali deaf girl got raped by a Somali guy here, his family supported him and went to the girl's family to "settle it" as "Somali to Somali away from these gaals". Fortunately, the girl's family wasn't having that and pressed charges through the appropriate channels, and he served time. I know of another one that got away with same thing, but it was was a mentally retarded girl who btw became pregnant. Nothing happened to the guy at all bc they were the same clan. In fact, the guy's family moved across the country, and the girl's family is raising the child for her.

So u see I already had an idea.

Bribing rape victims is one thing, it was when I learned there were gang rape gangs running trains on FGM'd women back home that my opinion hit an ultimate low. The Liban neck for a blunt stock exchange doesn't come close to any of the above.

We have our own mechanisms to deal with crimes, however in our new Somalia rape will always be a capital offense.

Crime, like rape, violence etc happens in all communities among all groups , nothing unique to us, we don't have the so called ''rape culture''. We actually take it seriously. Rape happens sexual assaults happens no-one is denying that. Indicting a whole group of people based on 2 stories sounds like a ridiculous a straw man argument and in the Somali community every little small news, gossip exaggerated rumors travel fast across the community makes it seem more common than not. Cuz we are such a tight knitt community everyone hears every crack and ever squeak. Then generalizes it.

Most victims don't come forward with it or even report it , let alone tell their own families. People don't report sexual assaults for many reason they feel powerless, or ashamed, or they blamed themselves or just want to move on.

United States 293,000 instances sexual assault each year 68% of sexual assaults are not reported to the police

Canada 100 incidents of sexual assault, only 6 are reported to the police

Uk 473,000 adults being victims of sexual offences with less than 1 percent reporting the crime


Most Somalis tend to lean on restorative justice convert with punitive justice. If the victim and her family wants restitution(Blood money(Diya) they will receive it but if they want jail time or punishment that is equally accorded to them if they demand it.

Restorative justice, which is the common form of justice in the somali community.

Restorative justice is an approach to justice that personalizes the crime by having the victims and the offenders mediate a restitution agreement to the satisfaction of each, as well as involving the community. This contrasts to more punitive approaches where the main aim is to rehabilitate the offender and reconcile with the victims and the community, or satisfy abstract legal principles.

 

[Jujuman]

Smoked and drank with my counter part loads of times never forced em to do anything they didn't want to do, just cos she chills with you don't mean automatically mean she dtf.

Yeah jeez, some of these guys making out as though $10 is half their month's wages. The herb is meant to be shared.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Somalis don't rate rape as a crime. Fact.
Bribing rape victims is one thing, it was when I learned there were gang rape gangs running trains on FGM'd women back home that my opinion hit an ultimate low. The Liban neck for a blunt stock exchange doesn't come close to any of the above.

It's because Somalia is trash now. These things were non existent 40 years ago, whereas rape culture or sexual abuse has always been high in the West.

 

[Bahal]

@Dhabaal always spitting the truth, I'm proud of you since day 1 adeer

 

[Dhabaal]

It's because Somalia is trash now. These things were non existent 40 years ago, whereas rape culture or sexual abuse has always been high in the West.

Saaxiib are you OK in the head?. You are in every thread, saying Somalia is trash, Somalia is bla bla. Is Somalia your ex-wife that dumped you?

You are more bi-polar than @Protagonist and his rant on Somali females.

Crime and rape was not non-existent 40 years ago. It is a reoccurring reality in all communities and in all countries. The difference now you have news, media and people who like victimizing others thats why you hear a lot more about it now.

Nothing will ever stop it from not happening, all people can do is try to curve it(legal system), prevention measures and tell the victims to speak out.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Saaxiib are you OK in the head?. You are in every thread, saying Somalia is trash, Somalia is bla bla. Is Somalia your ex-wife that dumped you?

You are more bi-polar than @Protagonist and his rant on Somali females.

Crime and rape was not non-existent 40 years ago. It is a reoccurring reality in all communities and in all countries. The difference now you have news, media and people who like victimizing others thats why you hear a lot more about it now.

Nothing will ever stop it from not happening, all people can do is try to curve it, prevention measures and tell the victims to come out.

There is fucking rape culture today in Somalia. This didn't exist 40 years among the youth. They are unemployed since there are no jobs, they are luring out innocent virgin girls and gang raping them with 10 people. It is a common practice across Somaliland, and the family can't do anything about it.

Police officers are getting bribed to keep it on the hush. No, shit like this DIDN'T happen and it's due to the lawlessness across ALL somali lands. All of our institutions have pretty much collapsed as well.

If you think this is not a problem today then you are part of the problem!

 

[Dhabaal]

There is fucking rape culture today in Somalia. This didn't exist 40 years among the youth. They are unemployed since there are no jobs, they are luring out innocent virgin girls and gang raping them with 10 people. It is a common practice across Somaliland, and the family can't do anything about it.

There is no such thing as rape culture. There is no culture or society anywhere in the world that condones or silences rape victims or where rape is the norm. Somali Individuals are responsible for rape. Somali individuals are responsible for shaming or blaming victims not the Somali culture.

Story about youth gang raping girls or luring is not proof of rape culture but proof youth gang raping girls. There's no epidemic of Somali youth luring girls and gang raping them in Somalia, in what Somali community is this acceptable? Rape happens sexual assaults happens no-one is denying that. Indicting a whole group of people based on a story you heard from Zayd is a ridiculous a straw man argument.

Lastly we don't know what type of rape or crime did or didn't not exist 40 years ago. Crime,violence and rape has always existed in all communities around the world throughout humanities history and continue to exist.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

There is no such thing as rape culture. There is no culture or society anywhere in the world that condones or silences rape victims or where rape is the norm. Somali Individuals are responsible for rape. Somali individuals are responsible for shaming or blaming victims not the Somali culture.

Story about youth raping girls or luring is not proof of rape culture but youth raping girls. There's no epidemic of Somali youth luring girls and raping them in Somalia, in what Somali community is this acceptable? Rape happens sexual assaults happens no-one is denying that. Indicting a whole group of people based on a story you heard from Zayd is a ridiculous a straw man argument.

Lastly we don't know what kind of rape did not or didn't not exist 40 years ago. Crime,violence and rape has always existed in all communities around the world.

Luring out innocent virgin girls from poor clans to be gang raped is a common practice among the youth in Somalia. The family is defenseless since these rapists hail from powerful clans and families. The women is regarded as a for being gang raped.

This is a result of the lawlessness, collapse of our institutions and a generation being born into this after the civil war. If you cannot admit this, then you are part of the problem.

@Bahal

Why are you liking my post and his post? Why don't you just state your opinion on the matter.

 

[Dhabaal]

Luring out innocent virgin girls from poor clans to be gang raped is a common practice among the youth in Somalia.

This is a result of the lawlessness, collapse of our institutions and a generation being born into this after the civil war. If you cannot admit this, then you are part of the problem.

Rape is not a practice nor is it common. Rape happens sexual assaults happens no-one is denying that. But you cannot generalize an insignificant minority of fringes and act like it is condoned, when it's not.

Your logic is flawed. Because crime happens its an indicative of lawlessness and zero institution? How do you make sense of that?

So Zero 0% crime and rape means you have law and legal institutions? by your logic.

 

[Ferrari]

There is no such thing as rape culture. There is no culture or society anywhere in the world that condones or silences rape victims or where rape is the norm. Somali Individuals are responsible for rape. Somali individuals are responsible for shaming or blaming victims not the Somali culture.

Story about youth gang raping girls or luring is not proof of rape culture but proof youth gang raping girls. There's no epidemic of Somali youth luring girls and gang raping them in Somalia, in what Somali community is this acceptable? Rape happens sexual assaults happens no-one is denying that. Indicting a whole group of people based on a story you heard from Zayd is a ridiculous a straw man argument.

Lastly we don't know what type of rape or crime did or didn't not exist 40 years ago. Crime,violence and rape has always existed in all communities around the world throughout humanities history and continue to exist.

When rape victims are silenced in large numbers and quite numerous number families encourage the victim to settle things in the down low, it becomes a rape culture sxb. No one is saying Somali culture promotes rape but when it does happen, the victims are usually shunned and told to keep silence to keep whatever "reputation" they have got left as if speaking out shames them. There is a stigma and Somalis are primates when it comes to this. And yes there are cultures that promote rape. let's not let defending our culture and people make us blind to what happens in our culture.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

http://www.somalispot.com/threads/should-i-marry-a-rape-victim-or-nah-need-advice-come-in-plz.12400/

Here is a thread of a member here detailing the issue.

@Dhabaal

Nobody is saying that Somali culture endorses rape in any way, shape, or form. But a generation born out of the civil war has corrupted our society. Claiming otherwise is just playing stupid.

 

[Dhabaal]

When rape victims are silenced in large numbers and quite numerous number families encourage the victim to settle things in the down low, it becomes a rape culture sxbNo one is saying Somali culture promotes rape but when it does happen, the victims are usually shunned and told to keep silence to keep whatever "reputation" they have got left as if speaking out shames them..

The vicitm are not silenced or told to keep silence because of reputation. Ive heard people make those claims, they are just not true. They are just assumptions that premeditates from a punitive understanding of justice.

Somalis practice restorative justice. If the victim and her family wants restitution(Blood money(Diya) they will receive it but if they want jail time or punishment that is equally accorded to them if they demand it.

Restorative justice is an approach to justice that personalizes the crime by having the victims and the offenders mediate a restitution agreement to the satisfaction of each, as well as involving the community. This contrasts to more punitive approaches where the main aim is to rehabilitate the offender and reconcile with the victims and the community, or satisfy abstract legal principles.

There is a stigma and Somalis are primates when it comes to this. And yes there are cultures that promote rape. let's not let defending our culture and people make us blind to what happens in our culture.

There is no stigma, the reason why Somalis use restitution and restorative measures of justice, is to protect and compensate the victim, from feeling shame and being stigmatized. And to reconcile both parties and rehabilitate the offender.

 

[Dhabaal]

Nobody is saying that Somali culture endorses rape in any way, shape, or form. But a generation born out of the civil war has corrupted our society. Claiming otherwise is just playing stupid.

Saaxiib.

Civil war does not change an entire communities morals and turn them into xoloos. If you are going to make unsubstantiated claims like that you have to give evidence.

It's plain stupid and slanderous to make allegations and claims, with the use of fringe anecdotal occurrences.

 

[dhegdheer]

The vicitm are not silenced or told to keep silence because of reputation. Ive heard people make those claims, they are just not true. They are just assumptions that premeditates from a punitive understanding of justice.

That's not true at all... I've definitely seen it loads of times. If it's not silencing it's a round about way of blaming the victims

Somalis practice restorative justice. If the victim and her family wants restitution(Blood money(Diya) they will receive it but if they want jail time or punishment that is equally accorded to them if they demand it.
There is no stigma, the reason why Somalis use restitution and restorative measures of justice, is to protect and compensate the victim, from feeling shame and being stigmatized. And to reconcile both parties and rehabilitate the offender.

Diya is not an acceptable form of punishment, you pay some lacaq and the perpetrator gets of scot free smh

 

[dhegdheer]

inb4 @dhegdheer and @VixR labels them future mothers of rapists

I was gonna drag u for this comment lmaoo but look at you spitting truth all over this post! carry on sxb

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Saaxiib.

Civil war does not change an entire communities morals and turn them into xoloos. If you are going to make unsubstantiated claims like that you have to give evidence.

It's plain stupid and slanderous to make allegations and claims, with the use of fringe anecdotal occurrences.

Case closed.

You've made your position clear.

 

[Dhabaal]

That's not true at all... I've definitely seen it loads of times. If it's not silencing it's a round about way of blaming the victims

Yeah thanks your unverifiable subjective experience makes it true. It is not silencing it is mediation of resititutive agreement between the offender and the victim, and the community.

Somalis use restitution and restorative measures of justice, is to protect and compensate the victim, from feeling shame and being stigmatized. And to reconcile both parties and rehabilitate the offender and cleanse the pain of the victim.

Diya is not an acceptable form of punishment, you pay some lacaq and the perpetrator gets of scot free smh

Thats because it is not punitive(Punishment) its Restorative. Diya is restitution and compensation aimed to recover.

In fact putting someone in jail or just punishing just excuses them for their crime rather than for the offender to take responsibility for it. The victim is left un-compensatet and unreconciled and her pain remains. The offender never learns from it or is accountable.

Why don't you read the texts and info i post to get a better understanding? before you respond to me

Restorative justice is an approach to justice that personalizes the crime by having the victims and the offenders mediate a restitution agreement to the satisfaction of each, as well as involving the community. This contrasts to more punitive approaches where the main aim is to rehabilitate the offender and reconcile with the victims and the community, or satisfy abstract legal principles.

 

[dhegdheer]

Yeah thanks your unverifiable subjective experience makes it true. It is not silencing it is mediation of resititutive agreement between the offender and the victim.

Lmao so my account isn't valid huh? No offence, but if my account isn't valid then yours is practically useless. HOW are you as a man going to tell me as a woman that my account is unverifiable lmao Tell me have you ever spoken to a rape victim before?

Yeah thanks your unverifiable subjective experience makes it true. It is not silencing it is mediation of resititutive agreement between the offender and the victim.

Somalis use restitution and restorative measures of justice, is to protect and compensate the victim, from feeling shame and being stigmatized. And to reconcile both parties and rehabilitate the offender.


Thats because it is not punitive(Punishment) its Restorative. Diya is restitution and compensation aimed to recover.

In fact putting someone in jail or just punishing just excuses them for their crime rather than for the offender to take responsibility for it. The victim is left un-compensatet and unreconciled and her pain remains. The offender never learns from it or is accountable.

Why don't you read the texts and info i post to get a better understanding? before you respond to me

So they basically pay some money and get of scot -free.


I'm begging u @Dhabaal go volunteer at a women shelter... The stories of some of these women are honestly heartbreaking.

 

[Dhabaal]

In fact restorative justice in the Xeer traditions is much more effective then simply punishing and jailing an offender. People with ingrained punitive understanding of justice just assume that.

Punishment is just passive, it doesn't require people to act and it certainly doesn't require for them to change. When you lock people up you excuse them from their responsibility to answer for what they have done.

Restorative justice in the (Xeer) is a process to hold them accountable. People take turns answering questions, What happened? , What needs arrive?, Whose responsibility is it to meets those needs?, it requires for people to take responsibility and to repair things as much as possible. And to never commit that crime again.

It's isn't about feeling sorry, it is about doing sorry.

Pay restitution(Diya), apologize, do community service, go to school, get a job etc

Its about adhering to the needs of those who you hurt. Sometimes the person who can make the greatest contribution to a surviver healing is the person who harmed them.

 

[dhegdheer]

The perpetrator gets to walk around out and about after paying some money I'm sure ppl with money to blow will find this a very valuable lesson in humility haha

That won't affect the victims physiologically at all, nope