Somalia Emigration

[johnsepei5]

How’s Somalia population still at 19 million how has it not gone down

How are there not millions leaving each few years.is Somalia secretly rich and the people back home are hiding it while we live in the west

 

[johnsepei5]

Lebanon despite not having terrorism and has good road network and infrastructure
Had a port explosion and millions packed up and left

 

[Idilinaa]

Somalia's population was 15 million in 2018 and now its 19 million, so it's keeps growing.

They are not rich in any sense but they earn enough to lead sustainable lives in Somalia and the greater Somali East Africa.

I mean you have people from neighboring country's like Yemen, Ethiopia seeking assylum and refuge in Somalia. Then also thousands of Syrians. Heck even Sudanese refugees recently so that says more to me.

 

[PilferingKombucha]

Somalia's population was 15 million in 2018 and now its 19 million, so it's keeps growing.

They are not rich in any sense but they earn enough to lead sustainable lives in Somalia and the greater Somali East Africa.

I mean you have people from neighboring country's like Yemen, Ethiopia seeking assylum and refuge in Somalia. Then also thousands of Syrians. Heck even Sudanese refugees recently so that says more to me.

This.

Somalia may be unstable but it isn't full anarchy.

Yemen,Sudan and the Sahel in general are utter hellholes in comparison.

 

[Idilinaa]

This.

Somalia may be unstable but it isn't full anarchy.

Yemen,Sudan and the Sahel in general are utter hellholes in comparison.

Almost all of Somalia is stable and the capital has increased security. I hope they make head way in getting rid of Alshabaab menace for good this year, the territories they have regained from them have stabilized as well.

This improvement in security has allowed more space for people to resume activity and lead more normal lives.

 

[Cartan Boos]

Somalia even without goverment is pretty save except terrorism and qabil war

 

[Idilinaa]

Somalia even without goverment is pretty Dave except terrorism and qabil war

Somalia is not without a government, it run by many competing regional governments losely tied to the Federal govt or operate autonomously like Somaliland, Puntland.

Short regional conflicts don't really touch civilian areas. Alshabab is definitely an issue though.

 

[PilferingKombucha]

Almost all of Somalia is stable and the capital has increased security. I hope they make head way in getting rid of Alshabaab menace for good this year, the territories they have regained from them have stabilized as well.

This improvement in security has allowed more space for people to resume activity and lead more normal lives.

Sort of what I meant.

Don't know why a lot of the diaspora acts as though it's Sudan levels of intensity.

It was insane back in the 90s,calmed down in the early 2000s before heating in the late 2000s to late 2010s until finally calming down.

All that's left are the usual clan militias.

 

[Idilinaa]

Sort of what I meant.

Don't know why a lot of the diaspora acts as though it's Sudan levels of intensity.

It was insane back in the 90s,calmed down in the early 2000s before heating in the late 2000s to late 2010s until finally calming down.

All that's left are the usual clam militias.

I think it's more or less to do with the media coverage and depiction of it and people getting captured by disparate headlines.

Uncommon regional conflicts can be easily resolved , but alshabaab is a persistent issue.

The Somali military has been creating an airforce and are acquiring aircrafts to help take them down for good. We know their locations so we can snuff them out more easily from above.

Somali Military Plans to Acquire A-10 Thunderbolt Aircraft to Boost Fight against Al-Shabaab - Somali News today Live

The potential acquisition of three A-10 Thunderbolt aircraft by Somali defense officials could be a strategic move to bolster the country’s military capabilities against Al-Shabaab. The A-10 Thunderbolt, known for its durability and effectiveness in close air support roles, is particularly...

www.ftlsomalia.com

Somalia Hopes to Reconstitute its Air Force with Renewed US Partnership | Air & Space Forces Magazine

The Somali Air Force was once the most powerful in the Horn of Africa. The terrorism-ravaged nation hopes a U.S. Air Force partnership will help it rebuild.

www.airandspaceforces.com

 

[X29]

I think it's more or less to do with the media coverage and depiction of it and people getting captured by disparate headlines.

Uncommon regional conflicts can be easily resolved , but alshabaab is a persistent issue.

The Somali military has been creating an airforce and are acquiring aircrafts to help take them down for good. We know their locations so we can snuff them out more easily from above.

Somali Military Plans to Acquire A-10 Thunderbolt Aircraft to Boost Fight against Al-Shabaab - Somali News today Live

The potential acquisition of three A-10 Thunderbolt aircraft by Somali defense officials could be a strategic move to bolster the country’s military capabilities against Al-Shabaab. The A-10 Thunderbolt, known for its durability and effectiveness in close air support roles, is particularly...

www.ftlsomalia.com

Somalia Hopes to Reconstitute its Air Force with Renewed US Partnership | Air & Space Forces Magazine

The Somali Air Force was once the most powerful in the Horn of Africa. The terrorism-ravaged nation hopes a U.S. Air Force partnership will help it rebuild.

www.airandspaceforces.com

What do you think is going to happen when Somalia starts to bomb the shit out of them do you think there going to give up

 

[Abdisamad]

I think it's more or less to do with the media coverage and depiction of it and people getting captured by disparate headlines.

Uncommon regional conflicts can be easily resolved , but alshabaab is a persistent issue.

The Somali military has been creating an airforce and are acquiring aircrafts to help take them down for good. We know their locations so we can snuff them out more easily from above.

Somali Military Plans to Acquire A-10 Thunderbolt Aircraft to Boost Fight against Al-Shabaab - Somali News today Live

The potential acquisition of three A-10 Thunderbolt aircraft by Somali defense officials could be a strategic move to bolster the country’s military capabilities against Al-Shabaab. The A-10 Thunderbolt, known for its durability and effectiveness in close air support roles, is particularly...

www.ftlsomalia.com

Somalia Hopes to Reconstitute its Air Force with Renewed US Partnership | Air & Space Forces Magazine

The Somali Air Force was once the most powerful in the Horn of Africa. The terrorism-ravaged nation hopes a U.S. Air Force partnership will help it rebuild.

www.airandspaceforces.com

I hope they dont give any warplanes to the SNA these could be misused by the likes of HSM to bomb his political rivals.. Hopefully the international community are aware of this risk and won't arm them with any modern warplanes.

 

[Garaad.XIV]

Maybe because they annualy have 700,000 births?

 

[Idilinaa]

What do you think is going to happen when Somalia starts to bomb the shit out of them do you think there going to give up

It's actually easy to take out Alshabaab for good but because until recently they lacked the capability. But with more military capability you can do a bottom up approach to tackle them and not top-down approach by having the US drone striking the top leaders of the group, . They are easily replaced and nothing changes if structures that sustain them remain.

This was explained to me when i spoke to a Somali war veteran that my dad introduced me to while we were at a gathering.

All you have to do is target key areas. Then take control of key revenue streams like the ones i mentioned in another thread , how they tax the Gold trade, arms trade, charcoal, sugar, agriculture, transit, mobile money transfers etc Alshabaab currently collects half as much revenue as the Somali government .Their routes/roads to move goods and products. Facilities where they house things. Confiscate vehicles and do checkings. We have all the information avaliable to us Inside al-Shabaab’s revenue-collection machine

After that you air strike and take control of their training camps and grounds to knock off their manpower. I mean if journalists can just easily visit their training grounds . Exclusive: Inside an al-Shabaab training camp How hard is it? come on are you kidding me?

It can be done in less than 1 month. All you will need is just a handful of troops and some air precision capability. You can start in the Northern Regions and then work your way down, by the time you reach their South central holdings and streams they are significantly economically impoverished then they will start to topple.

 

[The truth seeker]

Sort of what I meant.

Don't know why a lot of the diaspora acts as though it's Sudan levels of intensity.

It was insane back in the 90s,calmed down in the early 2000s before heating in the late 2000s to late 2010s until finally calming down.

All that's left are the usual clan militias.

Somalia in the early 2000s was the at breasts worst it’s become much better since but Americans tend to live in there own bubble

 

[Idilinaa]

I hope they dont give any warplanes to the SNA these could be misused by the likes of HSM to bomb his political rivals.. Hopefully the international community are aware of this risk and won't arm them with any modern warplanes.

He is not going to bomb regional presidents, but it is most likely going to act as a deterrent.

They should provide the government with every capability to defeat them for good and they can't afford to do political infigthing amongst eachother.

 

[X29]

It's actually easy to take out Alshabaab for good but because until recently they lacked the capability. But with more military capability you can do a bottom up approach to tackle them and not top-down approach by drone striking the top leaders of the group, . They are easily replaced and nothing changes if structures that sustain them remain.

This was explained to me when i spoke to a Somali war veteran that my dad introduced me to while we were at a gathering.

All you have to do is target key areas. Then take control of key revenue streams like the ones i mentioned in another thread , how they tax the Gold trade, arms trade, charcoal, sugar, agriculture, transit, mobile money transfers etc Alshabaab currently collects half as much revenue as the Somali government .Their routes/roads to move goods and products. Facilities where they house things. Confiscate vehicles and do checkings. We have all the information avaliable to us Inside al-Shabaab’s revenue-collection machine

After that you air strike and take control of their training camps and grounds to knock off their manpower. I mean if journalists can just easily visit their training grounds . Exclusive: Inside an al-Shabaab training camp How hard is it? come on are you kidding me?

It can be done in less than 1 month. All you will need is just a handful of troops and some air precision capability. You can start in the Northern Regions and then work your way down, by the time you reach their South central holdings and streams they are significantly economically impoverished then they will start to topple.

What you think happens after that so they just dissolve?

 

[Idilinaa]

What you think happens after that so they just dissolve?

Yes pretty much. What comes first is dismantling the sophisticated criminal enterprise and then afterwards you can start to build foundations for deterrence among young men

You can work on giving them healthy options and alternatives etc. dismantling the ideology. Then also close the recruiting channels from abroad.

Only a bottom-up approach works. The top-down is a waste of money and pro-long it.

 

[PilferingKombucha]

Somalia in the early 2000s was the at breasts worst it’s become much better since but Americans tend to live in there own bubble

Yeah.

Forgot that the early 2000s was the era where Somalia basically had no government but there were less disruptive militias back then.

The ICU for example wasn't anywhere near as bad as Al Shabaab.

 

[Idilinaa]

Yeah.

Forgot that the early 2000s was the era where Somalia basically had no government.

Early 2000s it was split between Islamic Courts Union Government and Transitional National Government in the south and Puntland and Somaliland governments in the North.

So Somalia did not have a single government but multiple competing governments.

 

[PilferingKombucha]

Early 2000s it was split between Islamic Courts Union Government and Transitional Federal Government in the south and Puntland and Somaliland governments in the North.

So Somalia did have governments.

Yeah but we all know ICU was in power back then.

The early 2010s or late 2000s were the time Somalia started to be less anarchic especially after the Amxaaras saw Yuhuudis in Lebanon and said "I'll copy his homework and no one would notice".