Somalia was the first sub-saharan African nation to mint their own coins

[tyrannicalmanager]

 

[Ibn Amer]

Aksum(North Ethiopia and Eritrea) was the first.

 

[Garaad diinle]

Aksum(North Ethiopia and Eritrea) was the first.

Shush don't ruin our fun. What're you gonna say next that kiliwa also minted coins before us? Always the axum apologist well in this case we'll change the title to sup-saharan mins axum.

 

[Maintainnnin]

Bro try & see if you can attach this paper as a pdf in the comments. I want to download & read through it.

 

[Maintainnnin]

Bro try & see if you can attach this paper as a pdf in the comments. I want to download & read through it.

Tried getting access to the article & found out it's relatively new. It was published this year & only available on the Oxford University press website. Do you happen to have it downloaded as a pdf.​

tyrannicalmanager​

 

[Cartan Boos]

Aksum(North Ethiopia and Eritrea) was the first.

Not as much as we produced and exported, Somalis always hand upper hand against Ethiopians which is trading, akxum was never good at trading today their coast is run by arabs

 

[mahamdov]

King Endubis around AD 270 until it began its decline in the first half of the 7th century. During the succeeding medieval period, Mogadishu currency, minted by the Sultanate of Mogadishu, was the most widely circulated currency in the Horn of Africa

 

[Ibn Amer]

Not as much as we produced and exported,

Pure conjecture, do you have any sources to back this claim? Aksumite coins have been found In Sudan, Egypt, Yemen, Israel, India etc... Literal hordes of Aksumite coins have been surfaced in South Arabia can the same be said about these Somali coins?

Somalis always hand upper hand against Ethiopians which is trading, akxum was never good at trading

Thats patently false, Aksum was literally THEE most dominant/relevant trading power in the Red Sea and one of the most relevant in the Mediterranean at its peak and was far ahead of Somalia in terms of relavance as a center of trade, what your saying is just straight wrong you honestly have no clue what your talking about.

today their coast is run by arabs

Another lie, the coast is largely inhabited by Tigres, Sahos and Afars not Arabs.

 

[mahamdov]

Pure conjecture, do you have any sources to back this claim? Aksumite coins have been found In Sudan, Egypt, Yemen, Israel, India etc... Literal hordes of Aksumite coins have been surfaced in South Arabia can the same be said about these Somali coins?

Thats patently false, Aksum was literally THEE most dominant/relevant trading power in the Red Sea and one of the most relevant in the Mediterranean at its peak and was far ahead of Somalia in terms of relavance as a center of trade, what your saying is just straight wrong you honestly have no clue what your talking about.

Another lie, the coast is largely inhabited by Tigres, Sahos and Afars not Arabs.

I know that they were superior to the Somalis in civilized matters, and the reason is that we lived in a harsh and semi-desert land. But after the conversion of the Somalis to Islam around the tenth and eleventh centuries, Arab and Indian merchants began to visit the Muslim coasts
That is why the war took place between ifatt and Abyssinia, because ifatt stopped commercial exports . So it seems that they became weaker in the fourteenth century because Islam began to surround them, but they returned in the nineteenth century and expanded a lot.

 

[Ibn Amer]

I know that they were superior to the Somalis in civilized matters, and the reason is that we lived in a harsh and semi-desert land. But after the conversion of the Somalis to Islam around the tenth and eleventh centuries, Arab and Indian merchants began to visit the Muslim coasts

Your right but the Somali coast was already an importing area for trade in the pre-Islamic era with evidence of international trade with Arabians, Romans, Greeks, Persians and Egyptians, so even well before the conversion to Islam there was already a lot of trade going on with Arabs and other groups.

That is why the war took place between ifatt and Abyssinia, because ifatt stopped commercial exports . So it seems that they became weaker in the fourteenth century because Islam began to surround them, but they returned in the nineteenth century and expanded a lot.

I think your right to an extent but correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't the main reason for the war because Christian Habeshas were threatening the Mamluks that if they continued to persecute Coptic Christians they would send an army and/or dam up the Nile River? But yhh your right about how the rise of Islamic states in the Horn contributed to Abyssinia becoming weak but even centuries before this with the Islamic/Arab expansion from the 7th century caused Aksum to become weaker as Muslims started to dominate trade within the Red Sea and cut off Aksum from its former trade routes and trade partners.

 

[Cartan Boos]

I know that they were superior to the Somalis in civilized matters, and the reason is that we lived in a harsh and semi-desert land. But after the conversion of the Somalis to Islam around the tenth and eleventh centuries, Arab and Indian merchants began to visit the Muslim coasts
That is why the war took place between ifatt and Abyssinia, because ifatt stopped commercial exports . So it seems that they became weaker in the fourteenth century because Islam began to surround them, but they returned in the nineteenth century and expanded a lot.

have some shame, somalis always ruled when comes to trading, we were one of the big boys (india,arab,somali,roman) controlling spicies, ethiopians literally coudln't do marytime trade and had zero boats so they counted on portugees

we captured the strategically maldives to assure our dominates in the indian ocean

After the Roman conquest of the Nabataean Empire and the Roman naval presence at Aden to curb piracy, Arab and Somali merchants barred Indian merchants from trading in the free port cities of the Arabian peninsula[11] because of the nearby Roman presence. However, they continued to trade in the port cities of the Somali peninsula, which was free from any Roman threat or spies. The reason for barring Indian ships from entering the wealthy Arabian port cities was to protect and hide the exploitative trade practices of the Somali and Arab merchants in the extremely lucrative ancient Red Sea-Mediterranean Sea commerce.

u comparing us to folk that lived in huts when we dominated the indian and red sea

 

[mahamdov]

Your right but the Somali coast was already an importing area for trade in the pre-Islamic era with evidence of international trade with Arabians, Romans, Greeks, Persians and Egyptians, so even well before the conversion to Islam there was already a lot of trade going on with Arabs and other groups.

I think your right to an extent but correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't the main reason for the war because Christian Habeshas were threatening the Mamluks that if they continued to persecute Coptic Christians they would send an army and/or dam up the Nile River? But yhh your right about how the rise of Islamic states in the Horn contributed to Abyssinia becoming weak but even centuries before this with the Islamic/Arab expansion from the 7th century caused Aksum to become weaker as Muslims started to dominate trade within the Red Sea and cut off Aksum from its former trade routes and trade partners.

Yes, this was the reason, and also the Mamluks incited the ruler of ifat, so he stopped the trade that was entering through the coasts that he ruled The leaders of Hussein al-Kurdi and some of the Mamluks came to Zaila

 

[Step a side]

Pure conjecture, do you have any sources to back this claim? Aksumite coins have been found In Sudan, Egypt, Yemen, Israel, India etc... Literal hordes of Aksumite coins have been surfaced in South Arabia can the same be said about these Somali coins?

Thats patently false, Aksum was literally THEE most dominant/relevant trading power in the Red Sea and one of the most relevant in the Mediterranean at its peak and was far ahead of Somalia in terms of relavance as a center of trade, what your saying is just straight wrong you honestly have no clue what your talking about.

Another lie, the coast is largely inhabited by Tigres, Sahos and Afars not Arabs.

True, Adullius on the coast at one point would host thousands of Greco- Romans for purpose of trade.

 

[Step a side]

I know that they were superior to the Somalis in civilized matters, and the reason is that we lived in a harsh and semi-desert land. But after the conversion of the Somalis to Islam around the tenth and eleventh centuries, Arab and Indian merchants began to visit the Muslim coasts
That is why the war took place between ifatt and Abyssinia, because ifatt stopped commercial exports . So it seems that they became weaker in the fourteenth century because Islam began to surround them, but they returned in the nineteenth century and expanded a lot.

The difference between them and us is similar to the Mongols and Chinese. One being free-war like-unruly -nomadic-decentralized while the other was a more settled-centralized-agrarian taking orders from one ruler.

 

[Maintainnnin]

Pure conjecture, do you have any sources to back this claim? Aksumite coins have been found In Sudan, Egypt, Yemen, Israel, India etc... Literal hordes of Aksumite coins have been surfaced in South Arabia can the same be said about these Somali coins?

Thats patently false, Aksum was literally THEE most dominant/relevant trading power in the Red Sea and one of the most relevant in the Mediterranean at its peak and was far ahead of Somalia in terms of relavance as a center of trade, what your saying is just straight wrong you honestly have no clue what your talking about.

Another lie, the coast is largely inhabited by Tigres, Sahos and Afars not Arabs.

Yes, Aksum was a major power for much of antiquity & at its peak reached the border of Roman Egypt, and well into souther Arabia. But during the middle ages it steeply declined & went more inland. It had to rely on Anfar ports for its trade to reach the red sea & was fighting the Somali Sultanates such as Ifat & Awdal for access to trading routes. This struggle lasted 250 years from 1320 to about 1570.


During this same period the Sultanate of Mogadishu & the later Ajuraan Sultanate in the south were actually the most economically prosperous & most monetized area of the Horn. Coins from these states were found in Iraq, UAE, India etc. It's also the most plentiful as the 8,000 coins currently known to academia are mostly from one private collection, that means there's definitely more out there.

Mind you it was the Southern Somali states that governed distant territories such as the Maldives & Coastal Mozambique during this period while the rest of the Horn remained rather insular.

 

[Step a side]

Yes, Aksum was a major power for much of antiquity & at its peak reached the border of Roman Egypt, and well into souther Arabia. But during the middle ages it steeply declined & went more inland. It had to rely on Anfar ports for its trade to reach the red sea & was fighting the Somali Sultanates such as Ifat & Awdal for access to trading routes. This struggle lasted 250 years from 1320 to about 1570.


During this same period the Sultanate of Mogadishu & the later Ajuraan Sultanate in the south were actually the most economically prosperous & most monetized area of the Horn. Coins from these states were found in Iraq, UAE, India etc. It's also the most plentiful as the 8,000 coins currently known to academia are mostly from one private collection, that means there's definitely more out there.

Mind you it was the Southern Somali states that governed distant territories such as the Maldives & Coastal Mozambique during this period while the rest of the Horn remained rather insular.

True, the Middle Ages was all about Somalia. Specially the southern Coast.