Somaliland Opposition Leader Cirro Describes The UAE Deal As Illegal And Calls For A New Election

[Farm]

 

[Cotton Eyed Joe]

That shows you all Somali politics is fundamentally fake and the people at the top are in each others pocket. We knew that deal can not be signed by Somaliland it's not sovereign or a nation. It is and will always be a part of Somalia. Hassan Sheikh should be pursued and asked why he signed this deal. Does Farmajo's government have the balls for that?

 

[Saalax Bidaar]

That shows you all Somali politics is fundamentally fake and the people at the top are in each others pocket. We knew that deal can not be signed by Somaliland it's not sovereign or a nation. It is and will always be a part of Somalia. Hassan Sheikh should be pursued and asked why he signed this deal. Does Farmajo's government have the balls for that?

It is opening of pandora box.Are you ready for it?Because there are heck a lot of “deals” that were signed some we know about and some we do not.

 

[Cotton Eyed Joe]

It is opening of pandora box.Are you ready for it?Because there are heck a lot of “deals” that were signed some we know about and some we do not.

There's no Somali journalists otherwise this would been revealed a long time ago. We don't know the Bosaso deal at all and those are the same people that want to drill for oil?

 

[Saalax Bidaar]

There's no Somali journalists otherwise this would been revealed a long time ago. We don't know the Bosaso deal at all and those are the same people that want to drill for oil?

Remember that Thai tuck boat that were given a fishing license by Puntland allowing them to take certain amount of fish and instead taking twice the amount?

The only way we came to find out was because the Thai authorities caught the boat and penalized it for carrying large quantity of fish, much more than max weight for boat in its size.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30338304

 

[CangeeroBear]

That shows you all Somali politics is fundamentally fake and the people at the top are in each others pocket. We knew that deal can not be signed by Somaliland it's not sovereign or a nation. It is and will always be a part of Somalia. Hassan Sheikh should be pursued and asked why he signed this deal. Does Farmajo's government have the balls for that?

All politics is about personal political survival saxib, I have constantly stated that.Yet you brush the assertion as if it holds no merit.No such thing as state interests in Somalia as of now which don't exactly coincide with a political life elongation..

 

[CangeeroBear]

Remember that Thai tuck boat that were given a fishing license by Puntland allowing them to take certain amount of fish and instead taking twice the amount?

The only way we came to find out was because the Thai authorities caught the boat and penalized it for carrying large quantity of fish, much more than max weight for boat in its size.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30338304

Yep , institutions in puntland are extractive institutions which favour a few and throw the populace under the bus.this is due to the Kacaan mindset which was an extractive autocracy, growth in puntland won't be sustained if the political institutions don't change.However many simply shrug it off, it's not just Gaas that's the problem but rather the engrained systems which promote people like Gaas to the top.

 

[SomaliWadaniSoldier]

Anwar Maxamed Qarqaash, Wasiiru Dowlaha Arrimaha Dibadda ee isu tagga Iimaaraadka Carabta ayaa waxa uu sheegay heshiiskii Dekeda Berbera ay wax ka ogeyd Dowladdii Madaxweyne Xasan Sheekh, islamarkaana aanay aqoonsaneyn Somaliland.

C/raxmaan Maxamed C/laahi C/raxmaan (Cirro) ayaa waxa uu sheegay heshiiska Dowladda dhexe iyo Imaaraadka ay ka galeen Dekeda Berbera in ay aheyd xad gudub lagu sameeyay madax banaanida Somaliland.

Wuxuu sheegay arrintaasi in ay fududeysay Xukuumadii Madaxweyne Axmed Maxamed Maxamuud (Siilaanyo) oo talada kaga horeysay tan iminka ka talisa Somaliland.

Sidoo kale wuxuu sheegay in dambi qaran uu galay Madaxweyne Siilaanyo, loona baahan yahay in Maxkamad la soo taago, isaga oo dhanka kale Madaxweyne Muuse Biixi ugu baaqay in uu is casilo, maadaama uu tilmaamay inuu wax ka ogaa qiyaanada uu sheegay.

“Siilaanyo wuxuu jabiyay Dastuurka wuxuu qiyaameeyay shacabka, wuxuu muteystay Maxkamad in la horkeeno, Madaxweyne Muuse Biixi xog ogaal buu ka ahaa qiyaamada qaran ee uu geystay Siilaanyo, Muuse wuxuu heystay fursad oo aheyd inuu saxo qaladkaas.” Ayuu yiri C/raxmaan (Cirro).

Khilaafka u dhaxeeya Dowladda dhexe ee Somaliya iyo Dowladda Imaaraadka ayaa sii xoogeystay kadib markii Dowladda ay sheegtay in xad gudub ay sameysay Shirkadda DP-world oo laga leeyahay Imaaraadka Carabta.

 

[Cotton Eyed Joe]

All politics is about personal political survival saxib, I have constantly stated that.Yet you brush the assertion as if it holds no merit.No such thing as state interests in Somalia as of now which don't exactly coincide with a political life elongation..

That's cause you are wrong. There are state interests. Security is a state interest. Welfare is a state interest. Personal interests and state interests can collide.

 

[CangeeroBear]

That's cause you are wrong. There are state interests. Security is a state interest. Welfare is a state interest. Personal interests and state interests can collide.

state interests are interests which are beneficial to the populace.However a leader is always after his/her personal interests.Only when you tie both inextricably together do you succeed in forming a fully functioning state.

 

[Bohol]

Big Siil is in a retirement home in UAE.

 

[SomaliWadaniSoldier]

Big Siil is in a retirement home in UAE.

 

[Cotton Eyed Joe]

state interests are interests which are beneficial to the populace.However a leader is always after his/her personal interests.Only when you tie both inextricably together do you succeed in forming a fully functioning state.

You said there's no state interests in Somalia. Is security not the interest of the populace? Is maintaining funding for security forces not a state interest? Whether a politician personally benefits doesn't and shouldn't trump some of those 'interests'. That's the point I was making earlier.

In situations like that it comes down to ethics the situation @Saalax Bidaar posted is a perfect example. Illegal fishing is unpreventable at the moment, those illegal fishermen will continue to fish so some politicians sell them licenses. Is it unethical yes but is it pragmatic too? Yes. There's a lot of grey areas and no black and white at play.

 

[Cumar]

Mudane Cirro's days are numbered, there is a civil war in the party right now for the upper echelons of power.

I think this is a desperate attempt by Cirro to cling on to power, as all 3 main party leaders at the time (Silanyo, Cirro and Faysal) in all likelihood personally benefited from the base deal to look the other way. Its a bit weird he's only speaking up now don't you think?

 

[CangeeroBear]

You said there's no state interests in Somalia. Is security not the interest of the populace? Is maintaining funding for security forces not a state interest? Whether a politician personally benefits doesn't and shouldn't trump some of those 'interests'. That's the point I was making earlier.

In situations like that it comes down to ethics the situation @Saalax Bidaar posted is a perfect example. Illegal fishing is unpreventable at the moment, those illegal fishermen will continue to fish so some politicians sell them licenses. Is it unethical yes but is it pragmatic too? Yes. There's a lot of grey areas and no black and white at play.

State security forces are not only a populaces interests but also a leaders interests.Armed forces allow further centralisation of a state and thus the extractive policies can continue with stronger impunity.However YES as I said before it coincides with the populaces interests of security.

There is no ethics in politics , to an extent, illegal fishing is one case where the populaces interests and the leaders interests collide.Inherently , extractive states need more money without supporting innovation.This causes fishing licenses being sold for a larger income.This is all on the LEADERS interests

 

[Cotton Eyed Joe]

State security forces are not only a populaces interests but also a leaders interests.Armed forces allow further centralisation of a state and thus the extractive policies can continue with stronger impunity.However YES as I said before it coincides with the populaces interests of security.

There is no ethics in politics , to an extent, illegal fishing is one case where the populaces interests and the leaders interests collide.Inherently , extractive states need more money without supporting innovation.This causes fishing licenses being sold for a larger income.This is all on the LEADERS interests

So that's the point I was making the two don't have to be mutually exclusive. Sometimes personal interests and state interests merge. The question of ethics involves all decisions. It's the principles of what's right and what's wrong that includes politics as well. Illegal fishing, under handed deals are all a matter of corruption hence ethics. Puntland, Somaliland and other regions don't have funds to "support" innovation and in some instances such as the illegal fishing they don't have the means to stop it either. Regardless in this case about UAE deals we don't have evidence of corruption yet only lack of transparency.

 

[CangeeroBear]

So that's the point I was making the two don't have to be mutually exclusive. Sometimes personal interests and state interests merge. The question of ethics involves all decisions. It's the principles of what's right and what's wrong that includes politics as well. Illegal fishing, under handed deals are all a matter of corruption hence ethics. Puntland, Somaliland and other regions don't have funds to "support" innovation and in some instances such as the illegal fishing they don't have the means to stop it either. Regardless in this case about UAE deals we don't have evidence of corruption yet only lack of transparency.

Actually the corruption is caused because of the institutions and the lack of incentives for innovation.If patent systems were created and other incentives the number of innovations in markets would drastically increase.However the mass corruption , lack of property rights and general extractive system will just perpetuate he current state.Somaliland is just as corrupt but if it can fully centralise the region would be transformed.

 

[waraabe]

That shows you all Somali politics is fundamentally fake and the people at the top are in each others pocket. We knew that deal can not be signed by Somaliland it's not sovereign or a nation. It is and will always be a part of Somalia. Hassan Sheikh should be pursued and asked why he signed this deal. Does Farmajo's government have the balls for that?

lets say the deal was signed by HSM, why cant farmaajo cancel it since the deals of previous governmnets can be changed by the new gov? previous government cant bind another government that comes after it so if that was the case, farmaajo would simply cancel the deal instead of crying to the UN, AU, AL kkkk

 

[Cotton Eyed Joe]

lets say the deal was signed by HSM, why cant farmaajo cancel it since the deals of previous governmnets can be changed by the new gov? previous government cant bind another government that comes after it so if that was the case, farmaajo would simply cancel the deal instead of crying to the UN, AU, AL kkkk

They already did.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-contract-with-somaliland-null-idUSKCN1GP10E

 

[waraabe]

They already did.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-contract-with-somaliland-null-idUSKCN1GP10E

but the base is being built and dp is still at berbera