Somaliland will never gain independence

[Sigmundd]

Chances Somaliland getting independence is slim to none. We have a traitor as a representative who's pushing for greater Somalia. You actually think Trump will be interested when we are literally at war with Dhulbahante?. They can easily tackle the houthi rebels in Djibouti who is much closer to Yemen and besides we need permission from African Union which we know that will never happen. You landers need to focus on other things and give up.

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[berberaboy66]

We’re getting a north-south confederation. Just accept it. Equal govs in everything (including foreign affairs). Whole country will run through Mogadishu and Hargeisa. Everyone else will bend the knee.

Adeer we will honor your legacy

 

[Sigmundd]

We’re getting a north-south confederation. Just accept it. Equal govs in everything (including foreign affairs). Whole country will run through Mogadishu and Hargeisa. Everyone else will bend the knee.

Adeer we will honor your legacy
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Somaliland can never unite with Somalia unless Somalia proves they can control their country for up to 20 years uninterrupted with a new system than I would agree.

 

[Pastoralist]

Somalia conjoined is a 2-3 trillion dollar economy. Sanaag cant be held, one of the largest mineral mining deposits in Somalia alongside GM. worth 907 billion. But of course right now they’re getting robbed by UAE for half of what it’s worth, now that they have ties to FGS, you can bet they will get a better deal to invest in their home with their international connections like sool got for their oil.

those who laughs at what I say are clueless, hope there’s no one dumb enough.

if we get offered independence though that’s a different story. It should be taken without a second thought. Cirro is smarter than HSM for not being taken advantage of, he doesn’t want their Red Sea position that is worth an arm and a leg to be taken by Ethiopia.

 

[Sigmundd]

Somalia conjoined is a 2-3 trillion dollar economy. We’re sorry but you can’t hold sanaag, one of the largest mineral mining deposits in Somalia alongside GM. worth 907 billion. But of course right now they’re getting robbed by UAE for half of what it’s worth, now that they have ties to FGS, you can bet they will get a better deal to invest in their home with their international connections like sool got for their oil.

those who laughs at what I say are clueless, hope there’s no one dumb enough.

if we get offered independence though that’s a different story. It should be taken without a second thought. Cirro is smarter than HSM for not being taken advantage of, he doesn’t want their Red Sea position that is worth an arm and a leg to be compromised be taken by Ethiopia.

fgs is literally corrupt and is hindering any progress, if anything it would loot sanaag resources. Cirro it seems like he wouldn't sell Somaliland like Muse did so Sanaag would be better off with Cirro administration. One of his associates is literally pushing for greater Somalia.

 

[Pastoralist]

fgs is literally corrupt and is hindering any progress, if anything it would loot sanaag resources. Cirro it seems like he wouldn't sell Somaliland like Muse did so Sanaag would be better off with Cirro administration. One of his associates is literally pushing for greater Somalia.

I edited a few times, but reread what I said, didn’t read what u said in the thread before that

So you think he’ll decline independence? Didn’t know his associates want a greater SL.

anyways SL economically per capita owns a good portion of xamar’s property and they have a monopoly over money transfer. So claiming independence was successful in getting a stronger position than before claiming it, win-win

 

[Sigmundd]

I edited a few times, but reread what I said,

I would rather see Sanaag independent than see their resources get looted by fgs. Somalia is too far gone since the entire world is dumping xaar on them while the somali people in Somalia are asleep. It's better for the meantime for Sanaag to be apart of Somaliland since we have a new system that has remanent of Somaliweyne and isn't corrupt.

 

[Pastoralist]

I would rather see Sanaag independent than see their resources get looted by fgs. Somalia is too far gone since the entire world is dumping xaar on them while the somali people in Somalia are asleep. It's better for the meantime for Sanaag to be apart of Somaliland since we have a new system that has remanent of Somaliweyne and isn't corrupt.

That’s true that’s only if it gets offered though, so far they’ve just been using SL’s independence as a joke by not taking it seriously and instead use its position of not having independence to get better deals out of it. They wanted to steal the Red Sea position and were taking gold and quartz for lower than its market value. That’s nearly as bad as what’s happening in southern Somalia’s xasuuq under Hassan.

Until it gets offered using FGS to get closer to UK, qatar, turkey, and UAE with fair deals will turn SL into the most beautiful part of Africa. PL is choosing their dignity but the case is different for them, they know that they’ll get treated like .5 by DJ, SL won’t.

 

[Sigmundd]

I edited a few times, but reread what I said, didn’t read what u said in the thread before that

So you think he’ll decline independence? Didn’t know his associates want a greater SL.

anyways SL economically per capita owns a good portion of xamar’s property and they have a monopoly over money transfer. So claiming independence was successful in getting a stronger position than before claiming it, win-win

It's seems like our new government is sabotaging Somaliland independence, but there's no clear proof that's true. Click on the link i putted out who is exposing someone from the cabinet who is pro Somalia.

 

[Devilsadvocate]

I feel like Somaliland should ditch secessionism and embrace unionism that benefits Somaliland. Why doesn’t the government set clear terms for what they want in terms of reconciliation? It would be bad on the FGS’s part if they declined that. If I were Cirro, I would say that the capital city should move to Hargeisa.

 

[Sigmundd]

I feel like Somaliland should ditch secessionism and embrace unionism that benefits Somaliland. Why doesn’t the government set clear terms for what they want in terms of reconciliation? It would be bad on the FGS’s part if they declined that. If I were Cirro, I would say that the capital city should move to Hargeisa.

Why would we want to rejoin Somalia, especially now when the country is filled with corruption and incompetent leaders with a failed system. And no the capital city won't be Hargeisa because we aren't apart of Somalia.

 

[Torti]

Why would we want to rejoin Somalia, especially now when the country is filled with corruption and incompetent leaders with a failed system. And no the capital city won't be Hargeisa because we aren't apart of Somalia.

My Hoyo going get her land back in Mogadishu and SNM scammers sent packing

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

We’re getting a north-south confederation. Just accept it. Equal govs in everything (including foreign affairs). Whole country will run through Mogadishu and Hargeisa. Everyone else will bend the knee.

Adeer we will honor your legacy
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Who is offering this confederation?

Somaliland is either independent or goes down in flames with the FGS.

I think the Unionists would prefer the second so they will open up talks with Somalia so the window of opportunity of recognition passes.
Too bad that recognition of Somaliland is also at the same time the US withdraws backing of Mogadishu and you can't form a union with a collapsing state.

Anyway we will see what game they choose to play. Maybe they just wise up and sense the new reality and potential of independent Somaliland.

 

[unknowntraveller]

Somaliland will never gain independence due to qabiil. Their claimed easternmost border is 5-10km away from Garowe, which Darood will never allow. The darood in SSC don’t want to be part of their mission anymore. And Isaaq themselves are not monolith.

 

[Bahal]

Honestly recognition has never been closer, genuinely would not be surprising if Trump actually did it.

 

[Sigmundd]

Honestly recognition has never been closer, genuinely would not be surprising if Trump actually did it.

But why would he if there's already a military Base in Djibouti who is much closer to Yemen. Recognition first passes through African Union who already upholds the One Somalia policy. Even Trump said he's putting America first.

 

[Bahal]

But why would he if there's already a military Base in Djibouti who is much closer to Yemen. Recognition first passes through African Union who already upholds the One Somalia policy. Even Trump said he's putting America first.

There are bigger forces at play, the coordinated PR campaigns, appointments of deeply anti-Somali characters, etc. all lead me to believe there is a real possibility of SL recognition in 2025.

 

[TheLand]

There are bigger forces at play, the coordinated PR campaigns, appointments of deeply anti-Somali characters, etc. all lead me to believe there is a real possibility of SL recognition in 2025.

Lots of factors at play which that will depend on. New SL admins actions, China-US relationship, and what Gurguurte does going forward. It’s not really clear what Sleepy Joe Cirro wants, and if US-China relations improve it’ll definitely be off the table. Trump spoke to Xi and was happy, China VP going to the inauguration. Trump invited Xi initially to his inauguration.Tariff threats may be working. If Gurguurte keeps screwing up though it def improves SL chances.

 

[Sigmundd]

Lots of factors at play which that will depend on. New SL admins actions, China-US relationship, and what Gurguurte does going forward. It’s not really clear what Sleepy Joe Cirro wants, and if US-China relations improve it’ll definitely be off the table. Trump spoke to Xi and was happy, China VP going to the inauguration. Trump invited Xi initially to his inauguration.Tariff threats may be working. If Gurguurte keeps screwing up though it def improves SL chances.

Cirro cabinet is pro Somalia so they're going to do little engagement with pushing Somaliland forward. China and US will most likely strengthen ties which makes S-land campaign futile.

 

[berberaboy66]

Who is offering this confederation?

Somaliland is either independent or goes down in flames with the FGS.

I think the Unionists would prefer the second so they will open up talks with Somalia so the window of opportunity of recognition passes.
Too bad that recognition of Somaliland is also at the same time the US withdraws backing of Mogadishu and you can't form a union with a collapsing state.

Anyway we will see what game they choose to play. Maybe they just wise up and sense the new reality and potential of independent Somaliland.

I want the benefits of xamar (added foreign investments + relationships) and I want a way out of that Berbera port deal. Taiwan are useless, China are close with Ethiopia if that corridor gets built properly then we’ll be straight. Also don’t want SL to become a melting pot hellhole like banaadir. Best case scenario is h-town becomes de facto capital, and xamar becomes capital in name.

What’s the point of having Turks +hawiye as an enemy? We have the same regional goals so we can work together. Having bayraktars in Waqooyi would be lovely.

FGS will be willing to compromise, they want to be known as the admin who “brought back SL”. If there’s anything we’ve learnt about FGS is it’s they respect contracts lol we’ll be able to scam them